Standish

I have been to Standish today, and looking at the building site where Chadwick's used to be, it occurred to me that they look to be building a skyscraper there

An on site cement works, and what about the height of those cranes ?

It is awful

I drove down Rectory Lane, and it is like driving through Winstanley, what was once farmers fields, is now 'completely' built on until yoo get the The Owls.

It looks like Legoland

It was awful and I prefer Worsley Mesnes .....

Afraid there won't be much green land left in the near future.

According to Google 92% of the land mass of the UK isn’t built on. Obviously a large majority of that can / will never be built on but it still leaves lots of land.

When I'm flying over to Spain, I often remember how many times people have said, "there'll soon be no land left in England", as I watch mile upon mile of nothing only a patchwork quilt of farmland pass underneath.

Tonks..I'm talking about towns not farmland.

Each to their own Tommy

There goes "the village"

What is all the land alongside the M6 for example. From memory there is lots of land around Wigan to build on.

It's not a village any more, more like a small town.

On holiday abroad a few years ago talking to an English couple, "Where do you come from" - Answer, in a very posh accent was "A village in Lancashire called Staaaandish" -- Good god I thought, typical of the incomers there these days. The place is ruined by overdevelopment etc.

If you'd gone to Singapore, you might have dropped on a bloke who said "Sheeeeevington"!

And he might also have said, "you can see my house from here"!

I'm not complaining....they all want to have their gardens looking good & especially when they can view Alberts Restaurant on their doorstep it's brought a lot of orders in

I just don't get the Standish thing at all, in terms of snobbery, I can understand the Wigan Lane thing, and the Wigan Road thing, that is that I can understand snobs wanting to live in the posh houses on Wigan Lane and Wigan Road, but the grandeur ends on Wigan Road at the Grove Lane junction.

The centre of Standish is just a row of terraced shops, it is just an old pit village, which also had a bomb factory in it

St Wilfs Church is nice.

But why are folk prepared to pay twice the amount for a house in Standish, than they would for the equivalent house in Platt Bridge ?

Areas to the South of Wigan are far posher than Standish, as are areas to the North of Standish,

Standish is too posh, as Skelmersdale is too Scouse, in that folk who live in Skelmersdale think that they are Scousers, but they are not Scousers, the same way that folk who buy expensive houses in Standish think that they are posh, when the truth of the matter is that they have bought an overpriced house on the site of an old bomb factory, they are pseudo posh

Perish the Thought

10 bob millionaires.

Hi TTS ,my daughter lives just off boars head so i go to see he r a lot and i have to agree with you the height of those cranes begs one to ask how tall are the new buildings are going to be ? also Tommy if you would have turned left and go up to KILHEY COURT on the left side they is a big new building development for 4/5 bed deatached houses being built more green land going ! Also son-in-law born and bred in standish says its all full of toffee nosed folk these days and they are trying to get away because the price of these new builds are a scandalous high price as for me i would rather go for a meal at the owls instead of posh " ALBERTS" .

They haven't built houses on the site of the old bomb factory, YET !!

Oh well, that's something, but I wouldn't like to be the digger driver who strikes at the first sod of earth on the bomb factory site

A thought though, and that is that the old Standish Train Station location, is only a few years away from this new property, and Golborne is looking like it is going to get its train station back, so how about Standish having a go at getting its train station back

GB
The cranes are so tall so they ( between them) can reach almost all of the site.
Due to the lack of access It seems like the best option.

I mooted the re opening of the station a few years ago. I was told the lines on the inactive span would need to be re laid at the cost of millions to make the project a starter. Sounds logical, but it would be a massive help to the local traffic problems. There is some land, at the moment, around the site that could accommodate a park and ride scheme. I think quite a few of Dr Beechings closures could be revisited in the near future.

I think you were fobbed off, because the trackbed is unchanged from when they removed the station, so to say that it would cost millions to relay the track, and if the inactive span needed replacing, that would not cost millions, for me it looks to be a straightforward job

Standish Station

If you look at the Golborne Station set up, that looks like it would be a far more complicated job to put a station back there.

Golborne Station

TTS:'I drove down Rectory Lane, and it is like driving through Winstanley, what was once farmers fields, is now 'completely' built on until yoo get the The Owls.'
A friend of mine lives on Rectory Lane and has lived there for many years, so they have seen many changes. Not only is it disgraceful that the land in that area is being viewed as possible building land, but every little piece of land which comes available seems to be given planning permission.
The biggest issue with this area is, the road cannot handle the amount of traffic. Also, Standish centre junction certainly cannot handle such an amount of traffic. This junction, at certain times of the day, was an absolute nightmare 30 years ago. Many years ago, the council played around with the road system and the junction to try and better the situation, so the council knew all about the problem a long time ago. Now, they are allowing more and more houses to be built in the area and this obviously means, more and more cars.
It will be interesting to see how the council try to solve the traffic problem.

When I worked on the M55 construction in 1974 as you left the M6 and headed towards Standish there was already constructed a link to take the road all around Wigan, Ince etc. to the M61. If that had been built then a lot of the problems Standish has now would never have happened.

gasmon: 'On holiday abroad a few years ago talking to an English couple, "Where do you come from" - Answer, in a very posh accent was "A village in Lancashire called Staaaandish"'
It isn't Standish which created the personality of these two people, it is the character they wished to project.
I have known quite a number of people who lived in Standish and I know some people who still live in Standish; they aren't snobbish at all.
But, there are some snooty people who live in Standish and I will certainly not deny that!
Additionally, I cannot understand why the couple would want to say to someone on holiday that they come from Standish, because the chances of knowing the place would be minimal. I can only assume that they really didn't want you to know where they came from.
After all, would it be helpful to tell some Wiganer that you come from Île Saint-Louis. Surely, it would be easier and more useful to tell them that you come from Paris.
Also, it is interesting to hear that the couple said, 'A village in Lancashire...'. Obviously, they were also unhappy at linking their village to Manchester.

There were plans to construct a system which would relieve congestion in some areas and to create a better traffic flow: some of these plans were never carried out and have still not been carried out. There is still evidence, but nothing has been done.
I am not 100% sure that some of these plans could be now carried out as houses and new road systems have been constructed, which now might be causing an obstruction.
It would be interesting to examine these old plans and to see if it is still possible to complete those concepts of many years ago.

Ianp - I could instantly tell they were not form around here, as soon as I told them we were from Wigan they disappeared ASAP.! - Strange folk. I'm always amazed at how "posh" people view Wigan with disdain, but are pleasantly surprised when visiting / moving to here. A neighbour is a cockney, and loves the town.

Yes Standish was a down to earth part of Wigan once. True Standishers are allreet (but I couldn't eat a full 'un) - its a % of the newcomers who just don't "fit in".

Wiganers can be a bit strange also, can be very clanish at times, except for us Poolstockers - we're an Island race within an Island race !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Standish has never been part of Wigan.

gasmon,
It isn't only some posh people. I was on holiday with a close friend of mine quite a number of years ago and three young blokes from Birmingham asked us where we were from. I told them that we were from Wigan. After hearing that, they started to smirk and try and ridicule Wigan.
By the way, at the time, I lived in Standish. But, never dreamed of saying that I was from Standish. I grew up in Wigan and so always consider myself a Wiganer; no matter where I am and no matter which person I am speaking to.
Relating to your words: Didn't some analyst of human character state that certain working-class people gathering sudden wealth also quickly dismissed their background and adopted totally different morals and attitudes?
I believe the words 'new money' were associated to these types of people.
These might be the Standish people you are referring to.
I take Standish people the same way as I take everyone else, which basically comes down to this: some are very pleasant and I get on well with them and some are unpleasant and I try to ignore them.

Is Standish a village in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan and now in Greater Manchester?

Or! Is Standish still a village in Lancashire which has nothing at all to do with the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan?

Standish is a 'town' in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, which is in Greater Manchester.

ianp: said

"TS:'I drove down Rectory Lane, and it is like driving through Winstanley, what was once farmers fields, is now 'completely' built on until yoo get the The Owls.'
A friend of mine lives on Rectory Lane and has lived there for many years, so they have seen many changes. Not only is it disgraceful that the land in that area is being viewed as possible building land, but every little piece of land which comes available seems to be given planning permission.
The biggest issue with this area is, the road cannot handle the amount of traffic. Also, Standish centre junction certainly cannot handle such an amount of traffic. This junction, at certain times of the day, was an absolute nightmare 30 years ago. Many years ago, the council played around with the road system and the junction to try and better the situation, so the council knew all about the problem a long time ago. Now, they are allowing more and more houses to be built in the area and this obviously means, more and more cars.
It will be interesting to see how the council try to solve the traffic problem"

I could not put it better myself

I have said this before, but I remember riding me motorcycle from the traffic lights at Standish, down Rectory Lane, some 40+ years, and after going past the school which has now been converted into flats, at the end of St Wilfrid's Cemetery, the road changed to no speed limit, or should I say national speed limit, and I used to let me bike rip, and give it some, before braking just before The Owls, because the road there as it goes into the dip and under the bridge, you had to be careful there, because it as always been slippy there, because of water run off from the adjacent fields, and in those days there were no traffic lights on that bridge.

But now its all been built on

St. Wilfrid’s hasn’t got a cemetery. Or it might have. I’m not sure and am only guessing. Laaaaike.

Well it's got a piece of land where they bury people, dead uns normally

Well said Tommy, we call it the Churchyard at St Wilfrids locally

Been round there on the mountain bike recently and it didn't seem as straight forward as you suggest Tommy, to re constitute the rails or indeed the station. The track bed is still there but there is some more building work being set out, some of it from Rectory Lane to opposite Worthington Lakes Nursing Home.

3 graveyards in standish ya know. one's for quakers. not used for a while , they must ave died off

Quakers burial ground in Standish LINK

Pewfall, you can't really count the Quaker burial ground. But, if you did, there's 3 1/2 graveyards in Standish!

Bog off, yoo are going to say that part of Gidlow cemetery is in Standish

I only tell it as it is!

Should that not be: 'I only tell it the way I want to tell it and according to my rules, my opinion, my prejudices and to hell with everyone else'

'...there's 3 1/2 graveyards in Standish!'
So, where did the church take the other 1/2 of the graveyard to?

there's hundreds of dead people buried there tonker and a big stone that that says 'Friends Burial Ground' at the front so i can count it as a burial ground. yer wrong.!

ianp, no.

ianp, I'm wrong, actually. There's 3 'graveyards and half a cemetery.

Pewfall, I know all about it.

Pewfall,
Obviously, according to one person on here, a piece of land with 'dead people buried' does not constitute as being a cemetery.
Therefore, there is no cemetery in Standish and none in this land of ours. Cemetery is just a figment of our imagination.
So, I am now wondering what is the correct word for a piece of land where people are legally buried.

Why on earth do you even entertain the man??

A 'cemetery' is a municipal burial area. Anybody can use it. It is 'of the community'.

A 'graveyard' or 'churchyard' is a burial area that is exclusive to members of that church. It has an amount of 'exclusivity'.

St. Wilfrid's is a churchyard.
St. Marie's is a churchyard.
Friends Burial Ground is a disused graveyard.
Gidlow Cemetery is what it says on the tin. And half of it is in Standish.

Also, on the topic of Standish. In the documents which I have seen, it stated the following:
- 'Standish is a village in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan which is in the Metropolitan County of Greater Manchester'.
I know that Standish is a 'township'.
But! If I were ever talking to someone about Standish, I would describe the place as a small town close to Wigan and not too far away from Manchester. This is due to the fact, when you start talking to some people, especially from other countries, the idea they have of a village is that it is a very small community with a population of a few hundred people.

cemetery: an area of ground in which dead bodies are buried
The above words are not mine.

Stardelta, I do not really know why. I must be a glutton for punishment. As the idiom states: 'It is like flogging a dead horse.'
We have a person who contradicts himself and cannot see it!

No mention of Miles Standish, one of that Quackers lot who went over to Yankland on't Mayflower

There's a Myles Standish Way in Chorley.

edited for spelling.

Anyway, onto better matters.
TTS, Is it still the same down Rectory Lane, in the area of the bridge?
Although I go down Rectory Lane occasionally and I have been down Rectory many times, I tend not to go as far as 'The Owls'.
My memory of the bridge and that area is the same as the way you described it all. I remember that it always seemed to be wet, even in summer, and there was always water running down the pavement and down part of the roadway. Also, it was always dull as there were many trees blocking out the sunlight and there were many bushes to the side of the lane.
I also remember when there were no traffic lights and that it was quite dangerous as there was a slight dogleg which caused difficulty to clearly see oncoming traffic.
As you stated, it was dangerous when the weather was very cold. In winter, when it was below zero degrees, the place was treacherous due to the amount of water there freezing.
When I have time, I will have to have a walk down Rectory Lane. It will be nice to take a look at the place (bridge area) after such a long time.

ianp said, ......

"when you start talking to some people, especially from other countries, the idea they have of a village is that it is a very small community with a population of a few hundred people".

That, ianp, is because people sway towards etymological meanings of words generally accepted in English vocabulary.

Crooke is a village. Standish is a town.


ianp said, "cemetery: an area of ground in which dead bodies are buried".

Yes. in most European countries they are. They are municipal burial grounds.
However, many churches in England have their own burial grounds, which are not cemeteries. If they are attatched to the church, they are churchyards. If detatched from church grounds, they are graveyards.
I imagine the difference is tha land. Churchyards and church graveyards will be on glebe land.
Cemeteries are the responsibility of local authorities and are on government land.

Standish is still the same size as it's always been.

ianp. about rectory lane. It has changed. a few years back it was national single road speed limit, starting just past St wilfrid's school down to t'bridge. It's now 40mph limit with an annoying roundabout halfway down for new houses. Area of the bridge hasn't changed a bit and has had same traffic lights since i first drove there in early 1980's. I find going down there today that those lights severely test my car's parking brake when it's red downhill

I suppose that depends on the efficiency of your parking brake, and if your car is struggling at those lights o Rectory Lane, then how would you go on, parked at the lights on the canal bridge at Red Rock, going in the Haigh direction ?

Myles Standish was definitely NOT a Quaker!

"rectory lane. ...... It's now 40mph limit with an annoying roundabout halfway down for new houses."

TTS, i've got more than 1 car. the one wiv brake that struggles is auto gearbox. No problem at all @ Red rock as it's uphill. Momentum, gearbox and gravity is not forcing the car forward on a downhill slope like rectory lane. Ya know i once went downhill from that canal bridge on a 1982 halfords push bike wiv crappy brakes. It was terrifying at the bend halfway down.

Ena said:

"Myles Standish was definitely NOT a Quaker!"

There is no 'evidence' that Miles Standish ever became a Quacker, but neither is there any 'evidence' that he did not become a Quacker, so to say that he 'definitely' did not become a Quacker, is in itself Quackers

Pewfall said:

"the one wiv brake that struggles is auto gearbox"

Do you leave it in forward 'drive' mode (D), when you apply the handbrake at traffic lights ?

TTS, Don't leave it in D or S ,Sport downhill but tend to do uphill. It's an old car & i need 2 take back wheels off and adjust it again with spanner and allen key. Fiddling around @ screw of handbrake is not a proper fix...

NOT Myles Standish!

I do like yur humor tonker but you are just ruining yet another thread/ post on Wigan World. Miles Standish was a significant historical person. You post a picture of an irrelevant breakfast cereal packet thinking it is funny. it's not. You state the Quakers burial ground is not a burial ground. It has a 311 year old stone at the entrance dated 1709 carved with words 'friends burial ground' Have some respect for the 500 or so souls resting there please.

Now, now. Don't go making things up about me.

I did NOT say the Quakers burial ground is not a burial ground.
And, the reason why I didn't say it is not a burial ground is that I have a house only a stones throw from it. In fact, you wouldn't need to be a good thrower to gat a stone right in the fromt garden!

I said, "you can't really count the friends burial ground", which is not saying it's not there, but acknowledging the fact that it's not in use and probably has no rights in law should someone decide to build on it.

Anyway, the 'man on the Quaker Oats Box' post was aimed at TTS and Ena, not thee, now go and adjust your handbrake and stop lying.

PS: 40mph limit down Rectory Lane? You cannot be serious!

How do you fail to see that a number of people on this site have no time for you and obviously find you extremely irritating.
Also, you do have a tendency to contradict yourself and also to try and twist other poster's words.
Would it not be more pleasant to change a little and be more considerate. Also, to show a little more respect.
Only a suggestion.

ian, pewfall

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

ianp

So reading between the lines, the general gist of what you are saying, the 'crux' of the matter, the indication being ?

That you think that Tonker is Rude to people on here

My Eldest daughter had just moved into a lovely 4 bed detached on the Fairway.. And the estate is still growing... She's not moved far from Chorley Road Staaaaannndish.!!

Isn't living on the Fairway dangerous?

Ha ha.

Pewfall, ianp, and that nasty smell -

Go away, in short jerky movements.
When you arrive at where you've gone away in short jerky movements to, go away in short jerky movements again and keep on going away in short jerky movements until you get back to where you started from.
Then, go away in short jerky movements!

That's not nice, is it , Gavin?

You can surrup an'all, Andy Pandy !

Extremely childish. Words that you would expect from a spoilt child having a tantrum.

Imagine if baz said that

Then imagine what the comments from `some people` would be

Instead.............nowt

The difference being that there is no malice behind it.
He disrespects everyone equally.

And is there any malice in the comments directed at Baz?

Stardelta,
I believe, there are no comments from many posters due to one of two reasons:
- they have him on 'ignore'
- they have no wish to get involved in the negativeness and possibly the nastiness which he resorts to.

The words that you posted on 29th April, at 19:35, possibly say it all.

Well I am shocked !!!!

I never realised that Tonker could be so rude to people

But he doesn't want to be dooing that to any Hannibal Lecter types though, because Hannibal used to 'eat' folk who he considered to be rude

With Favva beans and a little Chianti.

Posted by: Stardelta (8142)

And is there any malice in the comments directed at Baz?

all the time by the "usual suspects" plus a newbie who pops up now and then.

Tonker, Was brought up to not tell lies and reet proud i don't do so - you callied me a liar, offensive yes, libellious yes.. - water off a ducks back 2me, i'll rise above you and won't goad back. kind regards

God save the Queen

C'mon guys, I thought this thread was about Standish, for all it's rights and wrongs !!

not half causing some trouble, that tonker.

On about reopening Standish Railway Station, and putting a Park & Ride scheme there, that would attract users from not only Wigan, but in a radius of quite a few miles around, because they would have the room there to put in a large facility, with a capacity for hundreds and hundreds of cars

TTS dont think that will happen,that being p and p for hundreds of cars.all access to any part of standish is painful.let alone an out of the way station on a small road.

More housing to be built in Standish

"Concern over new homes in the centre of Wigan township !

Plans would see houses built in a garden area next to The Standish Centre."

Concerns have been raised over plans to build homes in the centre of a township.

The development would be constructed in a garden area next to The Standish Centre if it gets the go-ahead from Wigan Council’s planning committee.

The four terraced houses would be erected at the back of 39-45 Market Place and Cross Street, and each would have one parking space.

However, some residents aren’t sure the area is best suited for more homes.

One resident said: “It’s disappointing to see requests going in for houses in the middle of the conservation area, given how much building there has already been.”
Katie Aspey said: “I think before they start sticking more houses up on that tiny street, they should be considering having parking permits for the rest of the street so people can park outside their homes.”

Julie Whalley added: “Totally support that objection – don’t need anymore traffic in village centre.”

But not all people have opposed the plans.

Resident Richard Calvert said: “I‘m not sure what the problem is. It’s an extra four much-needed homes, which look like they will be in the lower end budget-wise, and come with parking space.”

Residents’ group Standish Voice said members will study the plans before giving their views to planners.

Planning documents on behalf of applicant Briar Homes said the proposed housing development will “help reinstate a greater sense of enclosure to this part of Cross Street”. They said it will effectively replace the Manorial Court building and the stables to the back of the former public inn.

The application reads: “Briar Homes have carried out a number of development appraisals for the site looking at options for commercial development, residential apartments and residential houses.
“Following that exercise and with associated design appraisals and pre-application planning submissions and discussions, they are now pursuing a planning application for a modest development of four small townhouses for the site.

“A number of plan options and elevation options for the site have been explored during the design concept stage and the design development stage of the project.

“The Standish Village Conservation Area, and Cross Street in particular, have been studied in detail. Other local housing developments have been visited and considered as case studies.”

It adds: “The development will provide an effective screen to many of the unintentionally exposed rear elevations and it will mask much of the negative frontage to the Standish Centre.”

Planners will consider the bid at a future town hall planning meeting.

now why have you done that???????????