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Started by: dave© (3507)

Just been looking at the Wigan World forum in which "thesurgeon," suggests that people must try a little harder with spelling. Not being registered on there, I'm unable to post a reply. Here it is:
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No wonder they (some people) call Wiganers!
All the above was written without a single punctuation mark, and loads of spelling mistakes. Not to mention the grammer.
I know, before you start, that it is not the done thing to correct someone else's spelling, but, there comes a time when we all must try a little harder

Its about time that most people learned the difference between there and their, and to and too, and when to use them.
And they say that standards are better in school you must be joking!

Well, shouldn't you get your own house in order before you vilify others? Dyslexia, is a word blindness problem, a problem only discovered in the last few years. I also note how you spell the word "grammer," shouldn't that be grammar?

Started: 15th Nov 2006 at 01:40
Last edited by dave©: 15th Nov 2006 at 01:42:49

Posted by: empress (9667) 

It takes all sorts !?!
This sort of thing always irritates the life out of me , I don't care who writes what or in which way. My nephews use internet slang, so do I on my messengers. Sometimes in here too.
It doesn't matter , the important thing is people are communicating and thanks to the net, they come from all walks of life , which makes it all the more interesting.
Education is better, my 9 year old is doing homework lately which I was only covering in secondary school. If folk want to use slang, so what?! If their spelling is bad, so what?!
We don't speak the queens English in Wigan anyway, so why bother putting others down for their grammar.
A group I used to manage had a dyslexic boy in it, we didn't care if he made mistakes, we also had an adult man who was finally learning to read and write, thanks to a bit of understanding from the groups members he got his confidence up to communicate online .
So tell the English teachers who like to have a moan to find something worthwhile to moan about and leave others alone.
All I can say is there are some miserable gits out there, who think they are superior to everyone else.
Have a good day Dave a point well made.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 09:38

Posted by: mollie m (6463) 

It is important that we should all be able to write down our own language correctly, even if we speak with a dialect. It isn't always dyslexia that's the problem either. Laziness accounts for a lot of it and you're right Empress, we don't speak the Queen's English in Wigan, but then again, there's only the Queen that does. Everywhere else in this country has an accent or dialect which is their own and that too is important, but writing down your own language correctly is important in many instances. We mock foreigners for coming to "our" country who can't speak or write the language properly. We've no business doing that if we can't be bothered to do it ourselves. It's easy to make mistakes, we all do, but when you read books or other writings and realise that you've been spelling something wrong (like their, there or ware, where, were and wear) we should make a point of making a mental note. That's the only way anyone learns anything. Sorry if I sound a bit high-minded about this but my job as a secretary demands that I am able to compose a letter with good spelling, grammar and punctuation otherwise I'd be out of a job. By the way, I'm not saying The Surgeon is right by picking up on someone, as that's something I'd never do, but being as the subject has been brought up I thought I'd add my three pennorth. As long as we can all understand each other that is the main thing, of course it is, but let's not say that it doesn't matter. One thing I really can't abide though is people talking on these forums in text. When I'm texting I use the shortest means I can, but not on the forums.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 10:50
Last edited by mollie m: 15th Nov 2006 at 10:55:23

Posted by: empress (9667) 

This isn't about letters, no one should feel they have to write correctly to be heard and understood.There are times when its a 'must' but on a message board is it really necesary? It really isn't important, these forums are just a way to communicate. If we want a perfect world , then maybe we should all be taught braille and sign language also. Braille is a written language , how many learn it?
Its nice to be able to communicate with everyone regardless of their education, writing skills etc.
My older brother abbreviates when he talks to me online, yet he has more university degrees than I can remember.It doesn't make him stupid, lazy or ignorant, he just doesn't worry about it.He has articles published frequently in medical magazines , he uses correct grammar, because its the right thing to do.
It really isn't important when using a forum , many people I know are educated to a high standard, yet don't even know how to switch a computer on.
In my opinion any form of communication is good.Whether its written correctly or not.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 11:02

Posted by: tonker (25248) 

There is a thing called 'standardisation'. If, as empress says, it doesn't matter if you write correctly or not, what's the point in teaching literacy in the first place?

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 13:02

Posted by: john joseph (3197)

Im in the mood for

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can anyone not understand me lol


JJ

ouch!!!

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 13:03
Last edited by john joseph: 15th Nov 2006 at 13:07:01

Posted by: mollie m (6463) 

If I came across as a little arrogant I apologise, but my point was, surely it's just as easy to write things correctly as it is to write them incorrectly. Fair enough, not everyone's spelling or use of the English language is 100% (whose is?) but sometimes I read posts with no punctuation and find them hard going. The whole point of us being able to use our OWN language properly is so that we are understood by others. I agree with Tonker. It's all well and good some of us coming on here and writing in dialect - nowt wrong wi' that - because we are, in the main, all Wiganners, but if a Geordie or Brummie came on and wrote in their dialect we'd tell them to write correctly if they want to be understood. Serious question. Do teachers insist on good grammar in schools today? I mean written and spoken. When I was at school the use of a dialect was frowned upon and in English class written work had to be spot on. I ask this because I'd heard that they're not marked on spelling etc, these days, so long as they can write it down.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 13:46

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 14:14
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Posted by: empress (9667) 

Tonker I didn't say it didn't matter, I just said it isn't as important in a forum . A forum is here so people can communicate,its not a regulation to type correctly.Schools accept young childrens work now when they write phonetically.My son struggles with writing , he hates it, yet is apparently very intelligent.He is only 7 , and will improve no doubt. I'm just happy seeing him try.There are members from all walks of life, and all ages in forums, the younger tend to write more internet slang than us middle aged ones.Its a breathe of fresh for me to read those posts. Rather they abreviate than refuse to post anyday.
English written correctly is important , but on a message board its insignificant.
I have a list of internet slang somewhere maybe I should post it, its just a bit of fun, as are these boards,so theres no need for anyone to berate another for writing incorrectly.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 14:45

Posted by: coccium (2569) 

I cdnoult blveiee taht I cloud aulaclty uensdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg.
The phaomneal pweor of the hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabridge Uinervtisy, it desn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltters in a wrod are,the olny iprmoant tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.The rset can be a taotl mses and you sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervry lteter istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Did my teachers waste their time.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 15:59

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 17:06
Last edited by getwom: 19th Jul 2010 at 22:08:16

Posted by: zoe24 (2272) 

I saw all this wen i first came on this site, n i still think it dont matter how we type, alot of people write slang now, i used to write using slang alot on here but now i av changed most of it, even tho it does still pop up now n again, but thats just way i write, it dont cause no harm, im not offending anyone, so i dont see the problem,,,take care all

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 17:44

Posted by: coccium (2569) 

getwom,
You will have to consult Cambridge University.I only went to St Mary's high in Wigan.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 18:26

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 18:37
Last edited by getwom: 19th Jul 2010 at 22:08:54

Posted by: tonker (25248) 

Empress said: ... its not a regulation to type correctly.Schools accept young childrens work now when they write phonetically.My son struggles with writing , he hates it, yet is apparently very intelligent.He is only 7 ,and will improve no doubt. ...

Empress has hit the nail on the head there. If schools are accepting it and people are thinking it's not a regulation so, therefore, not important, it's the start of the slippery slope. She says her son is struggling with writing. No wonder if the school is accepting it anyway and, if that is the case, how will he improve? I know this. There are young people coming into this country from Asia, North Africa and Eastern Europe, can't speak English, let alone read and write it, yet, within twelve months they can read and write in English, correctly. It's important to them. Wouldn't it be embarassing for 'them' to be teaching us how to write correctly in our own language?

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 19:28

Posted by: plum47 (898) 

I ALSO REMEMBER THIS TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED BEFORE(I HAVE JUST LEARNED TO ALTER TO CAPITOL'S).EVERY PERSON IS DIFFERENT,I CAN'T TYPE AND SOMETIMES PRESS THE NEXT LETTER TO THE ONE I WANT.ITS A MISTAKE ,NOT THAT I'M SAYING I'M GOOD AT SPELLING.
MANY YEARS AGO MY HUSBANDS COUSIN FAILED HIS 11 PLUS,BUT LATER WENT TO NIGHT SCHOOL AND WON A GOLD MEDAL FOR THE WHOLE OF THE COUNTRY NOT JUST MANCHESTER.THROUGH THIS HE WAS OFFERED A VERY GOOD JOB IN THE BAHAMAS WHERE HE WORKED FOR MANY YEARS AND NOW HAS A GREAT JOB HERE.HIS MUM SAID IT WAS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH HE WAS'NT INTERESTED AT SCHOOL HE REALISED AND WORKED WHEN HE WAS OLDER.SO THERE IS CHANCES LATER IN LIFE TO MAKE UP FOR FAILING OR LARKING ABOUT BUT HE REALISED IT FOR HIMSELF.AS FOR ME I ENJOY READING THE POSTING AND WILL CARRY ON AS I AM AND HOPE YOU UNDRESTAND WHAT I AM WITTERING ON ABOUT.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 19:56

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 20:19
Last edited by getwom: 19th Jul 2010 at 22:09:38

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Tonker ......My son will improve, they accept young children writing phonetically as its important for them to learn the SOUNDS of the letters. The word Knife doesn't sound its K, this he will pick up as he goes along,. He hates writing because he is left handed and struggles to see what he has already written.I speak German, yet I can't write it correctly. I type to a german pal as I speak, she has no problem with it.
I never had a problem with Zoes messages when she joined this forum, yet she must have felt an outcast when she was pounced upon for writing in slang.People are more important than their writing skills.Its petty to judge ,I have the option to skip any messages I don't wish to read, so does everyone else. So why not agree to differ, skip any which aren't written by an English Master if it offends anyone, and leave folk alone.Its silly to put members off posting just because a few get a 'titty lip' about grammar.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 20:43

Posted by: ©art© (6154)

quote>I HAVE JUST LEARNED TO ALTER TO CAPITOL'S</quote>
Capitals in computer speak, is shouting, frowned on, on many message boards/forums

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 21:38
Last edited by ©art©: 15th Nov 2006 at 21:39:18

Posted by: plum47 (898) 

sorry art,as you can see back to small letters.i was'nt meaning to shout at anyone.i was trying to say i'm no good on the keyboard but i still like to communicate.sorry if i offended anyone out there.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 22:37

Posted by: ©art© (6154)

No prob Plum, just that one time a member joined, & posted all the time in CAPS. She just couldn't understand when posters kept sayin....Stop shoutin'!!! .Bit of a laugh, that's all love

Replied: 16th Nov 2006 at 00:31

Posted by: dark horse (295) 

I work all week typin an often wen I comes on forums I deliberately spels stuf rong just fer the jip o it. As long as folk know worram talkin bout who cares a ratz ass? I also think it makes them az cort spel feel more comfy too, same wi grammar. I is all for promotin good english wen needed but wen its aw in a bit o fun lets not lose the plot eh chapz?

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 12:57

Posted by: coccium (2569) 

dark horse,
Like what I said

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 14:39
Last edited by coccium: 19th Nov 2006 at 14:40:06

Posted by: empress (9667) 

lol dark horse, thats well said!!

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 18:07

Posted by: copperhead (1415) 

I must confess that text speak gets on my pips, mostly because I cant read it easily. if the gist of the thread is important I will plough on, if not like empress says just pass over it. No big deal, not worth dying in a ditch for is it.

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 20:48

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Hey copper you want confusion, try reading my sis in laws texts, she can't master it at all, its like Russian getting a message from her hehehe.She texts, we call her back.............maybe its a ploy from her so she doesn't have to pay for the call!

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 21:48

 

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