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Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (4806) 

Does this number resonate with any of you ???? Yes/No Well it's the number of illegal's that came across the channel on in just 2 yes two days.
This in part is due to the great action being undertaken by the brilliant FRENCH POLICE , YOU know the same one's that BATTERED AND USED SPRAY ON OUR LIVERPOOL FRIENDS WHO WERE ONLY TRY TO GET INTO A FOOTBALL GROUND WITH " LEGAL" TICKETS.. IT DID NOT TAKE THEM LONG TO USE BRUTE FORCE ON OUR PEOPLE . BUT ,BUT WHEN IT IT COMES TO ILLEGAL'S CROSSING THE CHANNEL ,THEY TURN A BLIND EYE ,AND POCKET THE £64 MILLION POUNDS FROM THIS DAFT BRITISH GOV. THESE BENT GENDARMES MUST BE MAKING A SMALL FORTUNE FROM THESE TRAFFICKER'S . As for the people that get interviewed and come out with(( IT's sad seeing these poor people yes let them all come in ))) Are they going loopy ??? Just how many more can we keep accepting all these so-called asylum seeker's ?? For me the number would be 0 nil 0 stop it now before it's too late . GB

Started: 16th Jun 2022 at 15:28

Posted by: PeterP (9408)

Said before load them up on landing crafts and dump them back on beaches in France

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 16:33

Posted by: admin (1224)

GB I think your sentiments are echoed by the majority of British people. These "asylum seekers" or to give the majority of them thier proper title 'SOCIAL MIGRANTS' are being better treated than our own people.. They aren't bothered to turn the heating down in their Hotels, with 3 meals a day plus pocket money This country is a complete joke..

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 16:52

Posted by: Billinge Biker (1434) 

CORRECT.... somebody in government has to grow a very large pair.... and for the aeroplane deportations..... a laughing stock of the world.... some arsewipe foreign judge saying its illegal.... Yer Avin a Laugh.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 16:59

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Why are we deporting refugees from war torn countries such as Syria Afghanistan etc while welcoming refugees from Ukraine with open arms and paying UK citizens to put them up in their own houses?

Would a representative of the Gammonati care to explain?



Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 17:30

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Why don't they claim asylum in one of the umpteen 'safe' countries they travel through to get here ?

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 17:31

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

And you have heard of 'Gravy Trains' well how much money has been earned by those human rights lawyers this week, as they stopped that flight to Rwanda from taking off ?

I bet it is in the £millions, I hope that Boris keeps going and forces through the Rwanda plan, and to repeat my feelings about the asylum seekers, the young, single, male economic migrants, when they land at Dover and are filmed walking up that bridge, they should be arrested, searched etc, and then loaded on to a waiting secure coach, with guards, and taken to transit facility to be checked out, and then on to that Boscombe Down RAF Base, and the same day flown to Rwanda.

Families, women and children, should be as now processed here in this country.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 17:40

Posted by: surfer_tom (54)

Someone on tv said they can go asylum surfing, that means they can apply for asylum in a number of different countries what's that all about . There having us for mugs

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 17:44

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Errr.......because the umpteen safe countries don't want them anymore than we do. Or....the umpteen safe countries cant cope with the sheer numbers of refugees, or the safe countries that dont border the war torn countries don't think its fair on the countries that do? Or those who want to claim asylum in the UK speak English, have family here or stand a good chance of gaining employment here.

Thats all just off the top of my head, there may be other reasons

On a side note I visited my dental practice last week, first time since the covid s**t show started. I was surprised to see they now have a Syrian (ex refugee) dentist on board.............so much for them all being spongers eh?

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 17:45
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

ERR ?

ERR ?

Let me think ?

ERR ,,, how about like surfer tom says, they can only apply for asylum in one country, so by the economic migrants 'choice' they wait until they get 'here' and then claim asylum, because they are having us for mugs.

And to reiterate, from other postings I have made, I am not against giving refuge to asylum seekers, who go through the 'proper' channels to get here, and I couldn't care less which conflict they are fleeing from, or what colour they are or of which religion they follow.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 18:21

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

If you think immigrants in boats are the problem you should think again.
The problem is the tax dodgers .
The tax evaders .
The tax avoiders like rees foggy and his ilk
Umpteen european countries take more migrants and refugees than we do.
You are being fed right wing propaganda by the tory press owned by non British tax payers and you are falling for it .

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 18:29

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

For got to say well said S D .

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 18:30

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

People like to moan about and highlight the costs involved with asylum seekers but if I was going to moan about something it would be much closer to home. The billions that UK citizens are swindling out of our tax and benefits systems every year.

I wonder how many of those moaning about asylum seekers are on the fiddle, quite a few I bet





Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 18:38

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

S D .

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 18:51

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

A few years ago my beautiful grand daughter who is now studying at john moore uni in liverpool had curvature of the spine in two places .
I will cut the tale short ,
Suffice to say she was operated on at a leading hospital in yorkshire on the N H S .
A large percentage of the staff and the surgeon who gave up his holidays to perform the op were immigrants or came from immigrant families .
The op was a success ,
She gained over two and a half inches in height .
Thank the lord for immigrants .
Thank the lord for the N H S .

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 19:00

Posted by: surfer_tom (54)

What the guy on tv was saying that one of the asylum seekers on the plane had claimed asylum in four different countries and was now trying here, that's why he was on the plane .they have got nothing to lose what's going on?

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 19:18

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

I forget where I first saw this.....still makes me laugh though

"Hi everyone.

Me and the missus have made a big and exciting decision last night and want to tell you all about it.

WE ARE EMIGRATING!

I know its a bit of a shock but we have decided to just up and leave the country we were born in and love and everyone and everything we know. Leave the careers we have spent years studying for and building and our home and all the memories we have. But we have heard that there might be some free money in another country thousands of miles away so we are just going to head off there and see how it goes.

I mean, yeah ok we might meet a few minor difficulties on the way. Where we want to go doesn't really want us there and the people who live there wont like us and will abuse and persecute us, so we are going to have to sneak in and hope we don't get sent back. Its quite possible we will have to stump up every penny we have, possibly more to some dodgy criminal gang who has absolutely no regard whatsoever for human life but heyho.

On an adventure this big there is almost certainly going to be some hiccups along the way. Yes our 3 kids might drown or be abused or kidnapped, or even starve. They might even be taken from us in the detention centre but the goal of a whole £37 a week is not going to stop us and hopefully we can in time we can pick up on our careers, build new lives and become useful and valued members of their society.


Stop this now you silly ****s....No one thinks like this, No one takes these things lightly. If you seriously believe that anyone is going to give up everything they have ever owned and risk their and more importantly their kids lives for the slight possibility of a few quid being thrown their way. If you really are truly THAT STUPID then you dont have to worry about Khalid the neurosurgeon from Afghanistan stealing your job.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 19:28
Last edited by Stardelta: 16th Jun 2022 at 19:41:41

Posted by: admin (1224)

SD The comparison you try to make about Ukrainian Asylum Seekers and these SOCIAL MIGRANTS is entirely differnet. The Ukrainians follow all the correct procedures to get here These ''Migrants" who come over on boats are doing it illegally and the majority aren't fleeing war zones. As I said THEY ARE POLITICAL MIGRANTS.. Why are they mainly young men??? If they were genuine Asylum Seekers, where are their wives and children??? The Ukrainian asylum seekers are mainly women and children Their spouses are fighting for their country .. Not like these scavengers who are coming over in boats..

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:00

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

yeah yeah yeah ok

Anyway.....what about the point I made earlier, the billions being fleeced from the social and tax?

Its a fraction of what the asylum seekers cost so where is the outcry

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:03
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Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

"and the majority aren't fleeing war zones"

And where di you pick this up?

The Sun?

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:05

Posted by: Platty (1358)

GB: Some more numbers for you:
In 2018 - 299 boats
2019 - 1843 boats
2020 - 8466 boats
2021 - 28,526 boats
2022 - on course for 60,000.

So, think about the number of people per boat bearing in mind the boats are getting bigger all the time, and you'll get some idea of the numbers being trafficked.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:08

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Asylum seekers dont really bother me, they don't affect my little world or my quality of life and to be honest I doubt very much its any different for everyone else in here, yourself included.

However, if there were up to an addition 135 billion in the uk coffers we would ALL be able to enjoy a better quality of life, more doctors, more police, more public spending, tax cuts etc......so again, where is the outcry?

lets get our priorities right eh

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:11
Last edited by Stardelta: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:24:17

Posted by: fossil (7321)

1 million job vacancies in the country,hotels not opening because of lack of staff and farmers ploughing back in vegetables and fruit unpicked.
Give them a job that’s what they want.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 20:47

Posted by: peter israel (1232) 

10 years in power and only now they focus on fixing the Asylum seekers problem..... don't you think to your self why now ??? this is just Red meat” AKA rhetoric on an issue used to inflame supporters.
it works the same as a squeaky toy with my lab when he is after my shoe
FACT more immigrants fly in to the uk and overstay then come on a boat !!!
i am sorry to say but wigan is a shi@ hole the streets are dirty shops are closing down there is people homeless and begging you have food banks
you have an big obesity problem!!! but you focus on Asylum seekers!!!
squeaky toy squeaky toy squeaky toy

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 21:40

Posted by: admin (1224)

SD as you rightly say we have our own Dross but unfortunately they are British and we can't deport therm. We don't need the Worlds Dross as well.. AND I'll say it again for the umpteenth time All the young men coming over on boats THEY ARE NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS. THEY ARE SOCIAL MIGRANTS I don't think Australia has this problem? And why are they complaining about going to RWANDA that's a safe country? Maybe the standard of hotel is only 2 star? and who is paying their legal bills to fight this deportation to RWANDA I would like to know ?? No doubt LEGAL AID something else the ordinary man in the street cant get.

Replied: 16th Jun 2022 at 22:15

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Asylum seekers?
Something for us moan about
Something for us to blame
Something to divert us from the real problems this country has
And…. as an added bonus….someone for us to persecute.

Just what a certain section of the British public crave.

Nirvana!!

You carry on, don’t let me spoil your fun!



Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 07:03

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

fossil

Would it not be better to get some of our own workshy off the benefit system to do some of the jobs in hotels and farmers field as well as in hospitals, conveyor line jobs, manual labour jobs etc like they were so WILLING to do in the past when the benefit system with all its perks was nothing like it is today and you were brought up in the knowledge that you had to work for a living

No wonder job vacancies have exceeded unemployment figure when the is now no incentive to work for living unless it is in well paid employment .

So why increase the problem by allowing more into the country to live on the benefit system and add to the crime figures when it has been established that 70% of people in prison are of immigrant origin.

Over seventy years ago, we prevented Germany from invading our country, now we let anyone invade us!





Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 08:32

Posted by: Platty (1358)

OC: Agreed. We should indeed sort out the benefit system. Tax credits to people in work? In other words, businesses paying low wages and the tax payer making it up with credits!

I hear people saying "we need docors, nurses, teachers (what kind of education when english isn't their first language) bring in the migrants." But who is going to pay for their training? Medicine courses are vastly over subscibed already, schools are bursting at the seams.

Our nurses have to have a degree and rigorous training, the migrants coming in as nurses, for example, don't come near our standards for qualification.

I just read that Labour say they will negotiate with the French about the illegal migrants, but we are paying them £millions to do that and they're doung nothing.

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 08:45

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Platty

The number of people content to live on the benefit system has gone worse since the cheap labour policy of the minimum wage.

Decent employers paid what they consider to be a good rate to get the best person for a job, but now all they do now is pay the minimum wage which was a good thing for the minority getting below the rate, but a bad thing for the majority earning above the rate who had their better paid contracts ripped up and given a new one on a take it or leave it basis.

The result being a constant turnover of labour, a example of which is Royal Mail which was never the case when in the public sector.

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 09:15
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Stardelta

I think that you are taking the p*ss

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 10:03

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Me, taking the p**s out of people?

Nah!

They are taking the p**s out of themselves if you ask me, I am just pointing the fact out

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 12:16

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Owd Codger the people coming over the channel are getting £37 a week for food and a temporary roof over their heads and are not in the benefits system to the extent you suggest.
40000 people are coming in on visas to help with the seasonal work, some of the ones removed at brexit.
If the government tell us incessantly that there are more people in work and less on benefits, why do you suggest otherwise?
£112 million to Rwanda and half a million on a plane that didn't go for starters, for 7 people, seems like the economics of a government that hasn't got a clue.
And your remark about us being invaded is laughable,perhaps we should bring back dads army eh!!

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 12:42

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

^^^^ See my last comment!! ^^^^

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 12:46

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

Fossil.

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 12:46

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

"when it has been established that 70% of people in prison are of immigrant origin"

Mind if I fact check that statement Todger?

You always did have a somewhat creative imagination, nice to see it continues

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 15:34
Last edited by Stardelta: 17th Jun 2022 at 15:37:30

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

And on the subject of benefits you might find this one interesting too.

It certainly looks like they are living a life of luxury and all at our expense........what a travesty

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 15:44

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

No wonder you have put me on ignore Todger. If I spoke as much s****e as you do I would soon get fed up with being put right too

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 15:49

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

I find this information interesting, about the amount that asylum seekers cost this country, this is from the government's own website LINK

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 15:52

Posted by: berylh (2131)

I would suggest also concerning the Ukrainians that the women and children are coming here for safety for the duration of the war when they can be repatriated, isn't this what we did with child evacuation during WW11 both around our own country and overseas ?

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 22:59

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

£1.5B??

Wow..... a tidy sum indeed

But if you REALLY want to blow your mind have a min or two, get back on google and find out how much is intentionally being swindled from the various UK social benefit funds. Then find out how much is intentionally being avoided and evaded from HMRC. Add the two figures together and consider that you, me, our friends, family and neighbours and employers are all responsible for that total amount. The asylum seekers aren't even in the game!

One thousand and five hundred millions spent on asylum seekers???.......fact is .its nothing but a p*** in the Pacific when you consider how much we in the UK are robbing from each others pockets

Lets add some perspective. Imagine having a hole in each sky rocket of your kecks, you loose £1.50 through one of them and moan like **** about it. At the same time you loose £100 through the other and.....YOU DONT EVEN NOTICE.....let alone moan about it!!!

What a palaver eh?

Still, as they say, there is nowt as queer as folk..........especially when them folk are desperate for something to whinge about, other than themselves of course.



Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 23:14
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Posted by: retep1949 (822)

You just cannot keep allowing an endless stream of people keep coming into the country,it has to be stopped or very well managed which now seems unlikely.The majority of people I know can see this problem and the future problems it is going to cause.We do not seem to be able at present to sort our countries own problems and mess we are in.It is very easy to spout on about the problem but how do you find a solution?

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 07:16

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

By the lack of replies about our own people living on benefits when there are so unfilled vacancies and a situation where many now are happy for immigrants to do the low paid jobs, it tells you a lot about how the attitude of many of our own people today has changed since the days when it was so important to have any job which give you an income and not have the stigma of living on a benefit system.

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 07:37

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

berylh

How many of the Ukrainians do you think will return to their own country.

At the end of the second world war when many of the Czech's, Poles and Ukrainians who helped us to win the war stayed here because of Russia is anything to go by, very few will be inclined to return, especially those with relatives here,

And you can hardly blame them with the way Russia under the dictator Putin are behaving in Eastern Europe.

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 08:01

Posted by: PeterP (9408)

Some know how to work the benefit system and are racking it in so it does not pay them to work Others like single parents cannot work because it cost more for child care than they could earn in wages. Zero hours do not help you need a constant wage to live on Many years ago I signed up to an agency and was promised at least 3 months work after being phoned up out of the blue I did an afternoon shift followed by a day shift then told I was not required. Told the agency to shove their job has all the had done was to cost me my dole money for that week Not much later I was offered a job and stayed with the company for 22 years

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 08:02

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Owd Codger,I am quite sure the benefit system is not as easy to access these days as you seem to think!
I personally know of three people been on benefits for years.now in work and not by choice because if they didn't get a job they wouldn't get any money.
I suggest you have a look at the BBC2 programme Bradford on duty as it's a real eye opener, real poverty and real problems being handled by caring people who don't look down their nose at people needing help.
Good links there from tts and SD, and I am sure we have a problem affording to handle the immigration crisis, but putting the immigrants to work to our countries advantage would seem to be a better,being homed and paid by farmers and hotels' than the lame brained, law breaking Rwanda scheme!

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 08:12

Posted by: retep1949 (822)

There should be no stigma attached if people genuinely need benefits and help but the present system is open to so much abuse and fraud.I know plenty people who are cheating the benefit system and plenty who are cheating the tax system and do not bat an eyelid about it.

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 08:14

Posted by: fossil (7321)

"it has to be stopped or very well managed"

Good comment retep 1949,summed it up perfectly, neither solution likely to be achieved the way this government react.

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 08:19

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

fossil

How can there be poverty today on the scale it was prior to the sixties when the benefit system was nothing like it is today.

Many of the so called poverty of today in cities like Bradford and many other towns and cities has a lot to do with a way of life connected to alcohol, drugs, cigarette smoking etc.

Even here in Wigan!




Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 09:03

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

retep1949

Correct with many living near me!

Not working in spite of being fit and able, but have new 4 x 4's or German BMW's etc parked outside their houses!

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 09:09

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Owd Codger of course it is but being sorted by compassionate people who don’t turn their nose up at unfortunate situations.

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 09:37

Posted by: Platty (1358)

Golden Bear started this thread then ran away.

Anyway, more figures: the number of snivel servants has increased by 26% since 2016 according to Money Week, then there's 11,000 managers and clerks recruited by the NHS.
The wealth creating private sector is being starved of labour by the public sector. It'll end up eating itself.

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 09:42

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

retep1949 said:

"You just cannot keep allowing an endless stream of people keep coming into the country,it has to be stopped or very well managed which now seems unlikely.The majority of people I know can see this problem and the future problems it is going to cause.We do not seem to be able at present to sort our countries own problems and mess we are in.It is very easy to spout on about the problem but how do you find a solution?"

I think that if they start carting them off to Rwanda, then quite a few of those young, single males, who are coming here in the dinghies, will think twice, thrice and maybe four times, about whether it is in their best interests, to try and get into Britain and claim political asylum

Replied: 18th Jun 2022 at 11:25

Posted by: surfer_tom (54)

It looks like Boris Johnson and peri Patel have there own agenda, they have got the people of this country split over asylum seekers and they think it's a vote winner, it's these two who can sort this but they would sooner stick them in hotels and leave us to argue about it. who is making mugs of us...

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 10:53

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Well I don't think that the people of this country are 'spilt' over the asylum seeker issue, the number of people who are in favour of allowing literally anyone to come into this country is likely to be very small, probably in the thousands, and also probably made up mainly of human rights lawyers, and other people who make a financial gain from asylum seekers.

Politically though, Boris Johnson and Priti Patel know that if they stop the asylum seekers from coming across the Channel, then politically, it won't do them any harm at all, it will be a vote winner, so it is in their interests to get on top of the problem.

And it would be exactly the same if Labour were in power, it would be in their interests to stop the asylum seekers coming over here, and gaffer has explained why the asylum seekers want to come here.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 11:57

Posted by: ena malcup (1164) 

In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents). This equates to 8% of the total asylum applicants across the EU+ and UK combined over that period, or the 18th largest intake when measured per head of population.

Source UNHCR/UK

(EU+ is EU, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Lichtenstein)

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 13:27
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

And there Ena, lies the problem with the whole asylum thing, the EU's free movement thing, enshrined in the Schengen Area treaty.
It allows free movement of EU citizens between EU countries, and it also allows free movement of asylum seekers and foreign undesirables, between EU countries, and I use the 'asylum seeker' label loosely, because most of these so called asylum seekers, are actually economic migrants.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 14:15

Posted by: ena malcup (1164) 

So, the Boris and Patel show have been highly successful in reigniting the Brexit conflict (did someone say red meat) to distract from the criticism govt currently has borne.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 14:32

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Careful now!…,they are facts, and facts that several in here will struggle with. So let’s not highlight the fact that 17 countries in the world take in more asylum seekers than we do and let it get in the way of their argument.



Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 14:33

Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

Stardelta: Just out of interest, are any of those 17 countries larger than the Brisith Isles, are any of those asylum seekers illegal, do they all have documentation, are they housed in 4 star hotels and given free legal aid, do they just rock up on the beaches of those 17 countries?

In France and Germany, for example, you cannot work without ID/passport, do all those asylum seekers have these documents?

Are those asylum seekers you note, trafficked by people smugglers to those countries?

Just for clarification, facts please.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 15:48

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

Only 2% of economic migrants arriving in the UK have passports or identity cards.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 16:17

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Gerry Attrick, you might know a friend of mine Annie Mossity

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 16:21

Posted by: broady (18197) 

He’s obviously correctly identified Richard Head.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 16:36

Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

gaffer
You are right and that is what people are perturbed about. Did you see that footage of the dinghy full of illegals being brought into our shores courtesy of the RNLI where the gentleman at the end of the dinghy threw his mobile phone into the water after he had finished a call, about half a mile off shore?

T2S
In my youth, maybe. She might be related to someone hereon. Do you still meet her?

Broady
Goodness, took me ages to work out who you meant.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 17:22

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Haven't a clue Gerry

All I know is that a significant number of countries take in more asylum seekers than we do.

On this basis it would appear that, and despite the claims of some, we are not actually the #1 destination

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 17:44
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Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

Stardelta you specified 17 countries, saying that "they are facts" and that they got in the way of others arguments, adding to that that it proved "we are not actually the #1 destination".

How on earth can we be "not the #1 destination" when we are an island and they have come overland. Really, I am really struggling.

Can you specify those 17 countries please so that we can look at their land mass and documentation requirements please?

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 17:59

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents). This equates to 8% of the total asylum applicants across the EU+ and UK combined over that period, or the 18th largest intake when measured per head of population.

Source UNHCR/UK

As mentioned above Gerry I cant help you, other than to suggest that if you require more info or dispute the figures I suggest you take it up with these people as they are the ones behind the claims.

If you do actually have it within you to ask the questions please get back to us and let us know what they say......cheers.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 18:32

Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

Stardella: You do not answer the questions. Look at your post 1433. i have asked you for more info, now you tell me to look for more info and suggest a site.
You posted originally, I can look elsewhere if I want to.

If you make a post to say everyone needs facts and then you post and your question your post, what do you want?

You haven't answered the question about lanmasss, people rocking up on beaches, people traficking, ID documents, etc.

Basically, you have swereved.

Your last sentence : answer the questions - looke forward to them, cheers.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 19:56

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

I have told you several times that I cant provide the info you are demanding from me Gerry and your continued taunts wont change anything.

Sorry but that's the way it is.

However I do believe the findings of the UNCHR are both accurate and fully representative of the situation, as such I consider them to be fact.

I appreciate my view is unlikely to fit with you agenda but again.......sorry, that's the way it is.

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 20:30

Posted by: annemarie (278)

I would like to ask Star Delta question why are noes of the people coming in or young men to cowardly to fight for their country of just freeloading scum

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 21:36

Posted by: peter israel (1232) 

After reading this thread !!! a few posts started to sound familiar!!!


"We," that is the democracies, "are not in a position to take in the Jews." Yet in these empires there are not 10 people to the square kilometer. While Germany, with her 135 inhabitants to the square kilometer, is supposed to have room for them!


2. They assure us: We cannot take them unless Germany is prepared to allow them a certain amount of capital to bring with them as immigrants.
Extract from the Speech by Adolf Hitler, January 30, 1939

Although not word by word but hovering too close.....

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 21:40

Posted by: annemarie (278)

I thought the first country they went to was home to people seeking refuge stay there dont come here

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 21:45

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Sorry Annemarie, I have read your question several times but I cannot understand it

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 21:53

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

Speaking of migrants .
Noam nailed it..

" The more you can increase fear of immigrants ,the more you can control the people."

Replied: 19th Jun 2022 at 22:53

Posted by: peter israel (1232) 

grimshaw yes
"At what point do you give up trying"?

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Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

On the basis no one seems to grumbling about Ukrainian refugees and at the same time overlooking the fact they too have passed through bordering countries to get here, are costing the uk taxpayers money, are needing to see our doctors and dentists are taking places in our schools, supposedly ‘straining’ the NHS and other public services, and all the other perceived negatives that are generally put forward I think a truer statement would be….

The more you can increase fear of ‘certain’ immigrants ,the more you can control the people."


Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 07:24

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

If any political party has an agenda about immigrants coming in the country, it is the one that welcomes them in the knowledge that if allowed a vote, it is a known fact that 70% of them will vote for their party.

Might explain why at General Election time, the majority of the electorate outside Wigan World are wary of that party being put into power despite the problems of the other party!




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Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

People are complaining about the illegal immigrants. Not many people have a problem with the asylum seekers/immigrats who come here legally, such as Ukrainians. Make the proper applications to come, supported with documentation, etc. Those people arriving through smugglers are illegal and no-one knows anything about them, age, birth country, name, etc. If they are prepared to get here by criminal means, I would suggest that is how they will stay here.

And the hypocrisy is disgraceful. During the recent demonstration in London to "Stop the Flights" to Rwanda, on You Tube there is a fella going round asking people if he could put them on his list to house a refugee. Not one person said yes and when he asked where we should put them, not one gave an answer.

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 09:24

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Stardelta said:

"no one seems to grumbling about Ukrainian refugees"

Because the Ukranians are 'genuine' refugees, there is a big difference between, the Ukranian refugees, and the young, single males, who are crossing the channel in dinghies.

Don't you think so Stardelta, are you just on one big wind up of everyone on here, who is trying to have a genuine conversation about an important issue, do you believe the outrageous stuff you are coming out with, or are just taking the pee ?

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 12:09

Posted by: fossil (7321)

tts because the Ukrainian refugees are able to apply in an available system to them.
Biometric tests are compulsory for entry.
Perhaps if these avenues were available to all, maybe the ones rejected would give up on the idea of trying to gain entry by illicit means as they could possibly be identified as illegals.

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 19:04

Posted by: tonker (25273) 
Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Support for the Ukraine stems from the way that many of from their country supported our country in the second world war to win the war against Nazi Germany.

No doubt the same would apply to Czech Republic and Poland if they had been invaded.

But would there have been the same support in this country if Russia had invaded other former Soviet states like Hungary/Serbia and former Russian state of Finland.

I doubt it!

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 00:06

Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

Alway the war isn’t it?
Despite the fact it ended 77 years and a couple of generations ago.

Support for Ukraine comes from the fact they are practically on our doorstep and part of Europe and the trade links. Plus of course they share similar social values and culture and of course,…. and this is the biggie……religions!

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 07:26

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

The Stalker always follows!

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 07:35

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

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Posted by: Stardelta (9807)

But what is really funny Todger is that YOU haven’t got the b***s to take me on.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 13:10

Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

I tried to put that link on here earlier Tonker. It's amazing not one person was prepared to take a refugee in and couldn't answer the question where should we put them?

The Hypocracy.

I wonder how many on here would take a refugee in.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 13:51

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

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Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4806) 

RE-PLATTY ;
I have not the slightest what you are on platt in saying i started the thread and ran away !!!! WHAT are you on??? Yes i started the the thread and has i have done before i am deeply interested in what the memmber's on this site think ,so i just do not get where you are coming from?? is it requisite that when someone puts a thread on line they have to keep responding , I did think better of you ,obviously i am wrong ! GB

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 15:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Golden Bear

Calm down

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 16:12

Posted by: Platty (1358)

GB: Sorry if it upset you, it was meant to be light hearted. There have been some interesting posts, apart from one on ignore and I can't say whether his posts are interesting or not, but you never joined in.
Have a cup of tea and bring your blood pressure down!

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 16:48

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Platty

I also have him on ignore as I found him to be a nasty sarcastic person individual.

What you don't see. you don't miss.

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 08:16

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Gaffer

That may be correct, but it should be remembered that Germany like France has the space to accommodate far more than our small Island country, one third of which is not habitual as it is made up forests, lakes and mountains.

The result being that most of the immigrants end up in the already overcrowded areas of the big cities or in the cities and towns of the North of England where there was the spinning and weaving industries which have now gone and led to more living on the benefit system and inner city ghetto style poverty.

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 08:39

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4806) 

Hello Platty , thank you for your kind words and yes i have calmed down and taken your advice and had a giant cup of coffee. I really don't know why i flew off the handle ,i should not use my personal health problems as an excuse , but i will i have been in excruciating back pain of late which has been going on for far too long , so if you and other's will kindly excuse my behaviour and i apologise to you one and all!! For i have had some good banter with in the past ,and hope to do so in the future all the best ... GB

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 15:54

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4806) 

The above message also goes out to another friend TOMMY TWO STROKE , sorry Tommy i will calm down .....GB

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 15:56

Posted by: Platty (1358)

GB: no need for you to apologise, just as long as you've taken it the way I meant now. My mother used to say, "never get old," and she was right. Aches and pains, short tempered, memory going.... Heaven knows what those workers will be like when they have to work to 70! Wouldn't like to be working with them.

Look after yourself.

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 18:14

Posted by: basil brush (18302)

400//600
Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (4770) View GOLDEN BEAR's page
Does this number resonate with any of you ???

is it the number of moans/complaints "some people" have posted?

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 09:59

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