Ruskies

HI Tommy T, Have you watched the BBC News this morning? What do you think Russia is up to, Are they going to walk into the Ukraine like old one ball did with Austria in 1930?

From what I've just read, with all the weapons they now have, it won't be a walk in, and I don't think they'll not use them.......This situation is very dangerous for world peace imo.

John Wayne was a Yugoslav!

I'm not sure. Lavrov has agreed to a further week but wars are expensive. Europe is weak at the moment recovering from shutdown (it's own fault) crashing the economies and we don't know how Russia fared in the pandemic. Russia is vulnerable to confiscation of its assets, whether it be from laundered money, football teams, assets in banks, property, etc. all over the world.
Never can be sure of Russia's economy, it does rely heavily on hard currencies, but Europe should not have tried its expansionism.
We'll see whether all these migrants are ready to fight for Queen and Country.

Not a chance platty.

sonlyme: Russkies invading Ukraine?
Immigrants fighting for their new country?
John Wayne rising from the dead?
Asset confiscation/frozen?

Btw, just read that (not sure who but can guess) has suggested that the illegals should be put to work in care homes.
Well, I have a bottle of Bells and 32 neurofen stashed away if the day ever comes.

You know, the Russian Army might think the EU land of paradise under VdL and will defect!

Lloyd George knew my father... Father knew Lloyd George.

BB: did they go to school together?

Scary times for world peace.

Why can't BRITAIN for once just keep it's nose out of it .IT has nothing to do with us what goes on in Ukraine ,let's not go sticking our noses in like we did in 1914 ,WE have lost far too many young lives just let PUTIN do what he wants, because in the bigger picture this country of ours have little clout these days .......GB

A good sniper needed to pop him off.

"Why can't BRITAIN for once just keep it's nose out of it"

If Russia were threatening to invade BRITAIN would you want other countries sticking their noses in?

I would!!!

Well said, Golden Bear.

Ukraine is flirting with membership in NATO. To Russia that means the threat of European nukes on its borders. Would you want the Russians to put nukes in the Channel Islands? Would we want them to put nukes in Mexico?

Russia is reacting responsibly. Every leader needs to put his own country first. NATO should back off, permanently. Ukraine is a thoroughly corrupt country - on a par with my own country at the moment - and needs to solve its own problems. We do not need to risk the lives of British or American soldiers.

I think that Russia is sabre rattling, because if they had wanted to invade Ukraine, they would have done it by now, so what does Russia want ?

It wants NATO to not allow Ukraine to join NATO, that is a red line for Russia.

It wants to sell its gas and oil, without interference, without sanctions, without quotas, tariffs, and Germany being told by America not to accept gas from Russia, along a new gas pipeline, which has been completed, but Germany won't switch it on.

Russia has become wealthy by selling gas and oil to Western Europe, and countries like Ukraine, and they have used that wealth modernise their armed forces, to which they are using those modernised weapons to intimidate the West and NATO, playing to the domestic Russian audience, the older ones who remember the power which the old Soviet Yoonion had, but Russia enjoys being wealthy, but they 'need' the West to buy their oil and gas from them.

Ukraine supplies Russia with food, Russia supplies Ukraine with gas, and Russia is content with that, but Ukraine is looking to the West, they want to join the EU and NATO, Russia thinks that if that happens, like minded people in Russia will want the same for Russia, and that will cause domestic problems in Russia, and there already have been riots by groups wanting more freedoms and democracy, like there is in the West.

So basically Putin thinks that if Ukraine joins the EU and NATO, then it will only be a matter of time, before Russia does the same, and Putin and his allies do not want to lose the present power they wield in Russia.

If it does kick off over there millions of civilians will inevitably become displaced and many will attempt to seek refuge in safer countries, including the UK.

Then people really will start moaning

Oh give over

A girl I know, over in Mora, is from Ukraine. She considers herself Russian and says most Ukraine people do.

Ukraine has always been a buffer between east and west, and, in my view, should stay so. They are miffed a bit because Germany refused to sell them weapons on the basis it would not be appropriate to do so, but then sold weapons to Estonia!

Russia is protecting its borders and as someone once said, in Russia's views it protects its borders providing Russians are on both sides of them.

Why should you never wear short shorts when visiting Ukraine?

Because Chernobyl fallout!

Yoo rude woman !!!!

Anyone who adocates the use of force, need to remember that unlike 1939 when our country was facing another despot, Russia provides a lot of essential oil and wheat to Europe including the UK.

Same situation, but far different possible outcome in a time of nuclear weapons.

Russia is no match for NATO, when it was the Soviet Union v NATO, that was a different matter.

The Times (today) says US is alarmed that financial sanctions are sabotaged by the 'London Laundromat' Hundreds of Billions of the pelf in the hands of Russia's oligarchs now are locked into the UK economy. Especially high value property and real estate in and around London.

And The Mirror says that a quarter of Ministers in our current government are in receipt of moneys from Russia!

I guess that means we have been sold out by our own, before any difficulties begin.

The ordinary Russian people may suffer from sanctions.
The ordinary British person might suffer also.

But it seems that Russian oligarchs and English plutocrats will be well insulated from adverse effects.

Russia enters Ukraine to keep the peace.

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Is this not what was expected to happen?

It is a funny way to wage a war

On GB News last week an ex British Army chap, said that the first thing you knew when Russia had done something militarily, was after they had already done it, just like when they invaded the Crimea.

The West, as in us, are itching to impose sanctions on Russia, because the West knows that it will hurt Russia, I mean have you ever heard the phrase " a kick in the pocket is a lot worse than a kick in the **** "

The war up to now seems to have been a war of 'disinformation' waged by Russia on NATO, and the world, and Russia are winning it.

ex British Army chap is wrong!

Russian military occupation of Hungary in 1956.
Russian military occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1968

Both followed the same pattern of invasion occurring following alleged withdrawal of Russian forces.

It is not even true in respect of their occupation of Crimea. (see Wiki for timeline)

Has GB news become a pro-Russia propaganda instrument?

...' An Archduke was shot down in Bosnia, but nothing much...'

US intel was spot on!

Well I hope the Ukrainians put up a good fight, but I get the feeling that they won't

Reuters security corresponded, just on BBC news channel, says the sanctions imposed by UK will have NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER!

The only thing which will cripple Russia properly, is if countries stopped buying their gas and oil.

Just been watching a Russian fighter jet attacking ground targets, excellent manoeuvres by the pilot in evading the the Ukrainian anti aircraft system.

There was a Ukrainian Club off Cheetham Hill, in Manc.

We used to go there late 1970's to learn to do that Cossack dancing. Could not do it now. Far too old!
good fun when you are young and strong though

There must be a few Ukrainians in Manc, as the Ardwick Cossacks (dancers) been going for more than seventy years.

Here we go again.

Another country invaded and the answer of many of its people will not be to fight for their country, but to flee to the safe countries within NATO.

"... the answer of many of its people will not be to fight for their country, but to flee to the safe countries within NATO."

Most have fled - into Russia!

It was on the news today, a bloke 'in the know' being interviewed, he said, "Nato countries want to intervene, but they can't as that would mean all Europe and US being at war with Russia."

Well, yes, of course it would. But, the real reason is, if Nato countries did intervene, Putin would carry out his threat and send nuclear missiles out accordingly.
And, this means that he's holding the rest of the World to ransom.
Nobody is going to stop him, because they can't and they know they can't.

Russia are the undisputed Cock of the World now!

You must admire the few soldiers on Snake Island who died while saying what they thought about Russians RIP brave men

there were women too apologies for my miss information

Ena

"We used to go there late 1970's to learn to do that Cossack dancing"

The Mamooshka!

ena malcup

There is a large Ukrainian community in Bolton who will be no doubt be inviting their relatives and freinds to come to the land of milk and honey!

And if Putin turns his attention towards Poland, the other large Polish community in Bolton will no doubt be sending out their invitations as well.

Plenty of dancing at the Ukrainian and Polish Eagle clubs in Bolton without going to Manchester

Best get in your FV432 with your like minded pals Owd Codger and go stop the Russian hoardes before that happens. If that's a little too close for comfort for you hang back a little at the Fulda Gap and see if they come thataway so we don't get all those sausage eaters coming here as well.

TerryW

Do you not agree that it is now far to easy to flee a country rather than to stop and fight for it ?

Especially, when they can flee to countries like the UK and Sweden with their benefit systems, health services and priority on housing waiting lists.

No I don't agree. Civilians cannot stand an fight against low level flying multi roll Russian jets strafing their suburbs. The Ukrainian forces will not be able to stop the Russians, people will flee from terror and in my opinion we have a duty to protect people who fear for their lives, it's what the British do.

You know what happened last time someone invaded Poland!

Yes it was "Spring Time For Hitler And Germany"

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Owd Codger

What you have said is out of order, as said they are civilians, mainly women and children, who are going to Poland to escape the fighting, and going the other way are Ukrainian men, going home to fight the Russians.

So much for Chicken Kiev, eh!

Yesterday they would not let them join NATO.

Tomorrow, they will be begging them to join NATO, as they realise that they desperately need somebody willing to stand up to the dictator, Putin!

annemarie, Did you also see the unarmed Ukrainian woman confronting the armed Russian Soldiers?

She told them, with many expletive deleted, they were occupiers. murderers and fascists, who should go home and remove their own dictator!,

Tommy Two Stroke

Glad to see that that some of the men from outside the Ukraine are gouing to fight the Russians, especially if, like myself, they have done military training which I suspect neither you and TerryW have ever done!

Terry?.....never done military training?

OOohhhhh......pass me the popcorn......this is gonna be a good one

Owd Codger,
I presume you are also a former professional footballer also as you post a lot about it.

I don't think OC knows who he's dealing with

I still remember from my childhood, an ex tommy of WW1 telling me to always be aware of anyone making vague references to their military past.

A case, I think of "the lads that really did the job are dead and in their graves" (WW1 parody Joe Soap's Army)
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"always be aware of anyone making vague references to their military past."

A few of us have been doing that very thing since Terry reincarnated himself but yeah.......very good advice

Ena you are quite right about being aware. I have had to point out to one person on WW about his references of him "Doing his bit" and him "being in the trenches", that this was unacceptable and wrong. Of course he said it was only banter when confronted and did not seem to accept how wrong it was.

Isn't memory odd.

Logically, I should have said beware, or be wary.

However, I am sure that my informant said, "Be aware" (sic)

I did sometimes struggle to understand what he said.

ena: There is a Ukrainian Church off Cheetham Hill (there are a few in Manchester), was the club you went to attached to that?

Yes, the name Waterloo (place/street/?) rings a bell.

I think it will have closed now, as there is a now larger Ukrainian Cultural Centre, tuther side of Cheetham Hill.(Smedley road or lane or sim.)

I used to live in North Manchester General Hospital in Crumpsall, so it was a convenient location.

Strictly Come Cossack Dancing

I am tempted to see if I still can?

I think it's Bury Old Road, the one I'm thinking off, but the actual church. I think it would have been that. And yes, I think you should have a go.

I really miss Manchester.

Should ever I get the opportunity to return, I do intend to take it.

ena: where are you?
It will not be worth coming home for.
When I went to Ghana and surroundings, in the 70s, I missed Home incredibbly and brought the wales singer (cannot remember his name) with me and played him incessently.
The England I was brought up in has gone, all of it.

My last day in Cheetham Hill was New Year's Eve, 1979. Had been at a friend's new year party, where we all spilled out at midnight to the sounds of all the ships hooting in the docks. So that is something gone forever.

Lived in a number of places, from Littleborough in NE, to Bramhall in SW. Though Didsbury probably my favourite.

I was with someone that I really loved, so memories, alas are rose tinted.

I loved 'The Royal Exchange'. University's English department used to do a workshop on prior Wednesday when they ran a Shakespeare play. Usually went to the final dress rehearsal rather than the normal performances.

I know it has all changed. Often look on Google street view, and I no longer recognize owt.

I am only in Yorkshire, but have health issues and other stuff making moving unlikely.

Ena

When yoo say you lived at North Manchester General Hospital, do yoo mean Prestwich Hospital, which I once visited, when me aunty was an inmate in there

I knew Prestwich well, but no, NMGH is in Crumpsall. (Delauney's Road) Formerly three separate hospitals: Springfield (Psych), Crumpsall (Gen Hosp) and Delauney's (Geriatric) they merged together into one very large Hospital. It is smaller now, shorn of the geriatric, and of most of the psych wards.

EDIT Sorry, I have no idea why it is just showing icon, but RIGHT click, then open image in new tab will reveal map of NMGH.

Ena

Your link is not an image link, it is a webpage link.

And Prestwich Hospital is not the North Manchester Hospital

Yes, I have just said that it is not.

Thanks for pointing out that a google map page does not work as an image in the posting method used on here.

When first I arrived at NMGH, it still had the cell into which a person was locked, and had to break up a specified quantity of stone, which they fed out through a grill, before they were released.

It was a former Workhouse, and the cell was part of the 'Casual Ward' for itinerants as described by Orwell in 'Down and Out in London and in Paris'.

How can Prestwich Hospital be the North Manchester Hospital when it's not in Manchester?

Tut!.....see what you have started now.

When will people learn

Trump is an utter disgrace

Joe Biden is freezing all of Putin's assets!!!
Trump is worried because he does not like the cold