Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (3665) 

WHY can't boris johnson tell nicola sturgeon that if she wants scotland to be independant then ok ,, BUT tell clearly there will be NO ORE MONEY FROM THE ENGLISH PARLIAMENT thus ending FREE PRESCRIPTION / UNIVERSITY FEES /AND A LOAD OF OTHER ITEMS SCOTLAND GETS FOR BUCK SHEE !!!!!!!!!G.B.

Started: 10th May 2021 at 16:34

Posted by: AngelWood (558)

It irks somewhat that the devolved nations are entitled to lots of freebies that English citizens don't get. True independence must mean they fund themselves without our taxes propping them up.

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 16:49

Posted by: retep1949 (680)

I do not want Scotland to leave but it would be better that they leave as soon as possible or this will just go on and on.All the UK will suffer,Scotland the most.

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 18:36

Posted by: Heatons68 (65)

Todays paper reports that Michael Gove has
Told Nicola Sturgeon " not never but not now "
for another independence referendum .

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 18:37

Posted by: tonker (23629) 

Let them leave - and take their royals with them!

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 18:53

Posted by: Arfur petesake (333)

Boris said today, " when this is all over, ( covid) we will be building together for a better future for us all," Hadrian's Wall is coming down and they are going to stop making Scottish Monopoly money, I have a sign in my shop that says, No cheques, no bank tranfers, cards, apple pay, paypal ,Western credit , white fivers or Scottish money,

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 20:38

Posted by: ianp. (687) 

I do not believe Scotland is the issue but Nicola Sturgeon. She isn't going to stop until she gets what she wants.
If she gets her way, she's going to claim right to everything which is profitable for Scotland and cast off everything which is not.
What she fails to acknowledge is, the EU aren't greatly interested in having Scotland without the rest. They have no wish to divide areas which are viewed as being as one, such as Britain (or UK). Dividing lands might be an issue. A divided Britain may result in other countries having issues. There are social conflicts in other countries, such as: Spain, France and Germany, to name a few.

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 21:12

Posted by: retep1949 (680)

The woman is toxic but she will not stop unless the Scottish people stop her and I do not think they will.

Replied: 10th May 2021 at 21:29

Posted by: jathbee (10880)

She is fanatical in her intentions. And we all know where fanaticism can lead.
Let's hope she goes sooner rather than later.

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 07:51

Posted by: WN1 Standisher (195)

They should be careful what they wish for ........

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 08:50

Posted by: peter israel (1066) 

GOLDEN BEAR if you don't know ? people do work and pay tax in Scotland!!! what ever the Daily mail may tell you !! And they can choose how to spend it. if it's giving nurses a pay rise or what ever
Some on here chose to vote to leave the EU so I don't know why so much surprise??? People did say that it may cause the break up of the UK

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 10:41

Posted by: oldswint (10)

Devolution has gone too far in my view and that old labour (or should I say NEW labour) government of Blair/Brown days is 100% to blame. We are a UNITED Kingdom and so it should remain. The courts should recognise that it is the government who govern and their intervention in such affairs is not warranted. We can then leave it to Boris Johnson to sort out the problem and put Nicola Sturgeon back doing what she should be concentrating on - making the UK a better and richer place.

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 12:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7237)


I agree

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 14:10

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7237)

WN1 Standisher :

"They should be careful what they wish for ........"

My sentiments exactly, and last week on the BBC News Channel, I watched the Welsh Debate Program, and the 'Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party' candidate said exactly that about Plaid Cymru, he said that Wales and Scotland were 'sleepwalking' into Independence, and if that happened, and Wales tried to keep the standard of living which they have as members of the Yoonion, then Wales would end up 'bankrupt' his words not mine.

Peter Israel :

"people do work and pay tax in Scotland!!! And they can choose how to spend it, if it's giving nurses a pay rise or what ever"

Well if the nurses were given a pay rise funded by what the Scots pay in tax, then they would probably get a very big pay cut, because the Scottish government actually spend money they get from the rest of the UK, they are net 'beneficiaries' of money from the UK , not contributors, and that is the main argument for them not becoming independent, because they would not be able to afford it.

Nicola and the SNP think that they could afford it.


It is one thing persuading the UK government to agree to another referendum, but it maybe another thing winning it though, in the form of the people of Scotland voting 'Yes' to independence.

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 14:12

Posted by: riocaroni (178)

A lot of people in the Highlands and Islands are against the idea of independence.

Replied: 11th May 2021 at 16:05

Posted by: Billinge Biker (726)

An estimate in 2019 said there are approximately 5.46 million people in Scotland and the Highlands. How can such a small population fund a total independence? I take it that neither one penny will cross the border either way to achieve this. When I see Sturgeon publicly state the above without any handouts from the UK or EU I may try to belive it is possible.. I doubt it... North Sea oil/gas is on its way out... Can't rely on fishing/Haggis hunting.

Replied: 12th May 2021 at 11:14

Posted by: tonker (23629) 

Ireland has a population of less than 5 million. They seem to manage!

Replied: 12th May 2021 at 12:47

Posted by: gaffer (6711) 

Ireland is over reliant on it’s very low corporate tax rate of 12.5 %. It attracts well paid jobs and investment from multinationals. However it’s under threat on two fronts, Joe Biden has proposed a minimum global corporate tax rate of 21% and the EU is constantly looking at ways to force Ireland to set a level of the average set in the EU of around 20%.
Apple was forced to pay back to the Irish government 13 billion Euro for back taxes five years ago. An appeal against the judgement was later successful for Apple.
If either or both threats to Irish corporate taxes comes into force it will be Goodnight Vienna for the Irish economy.

Replied: 12th May 2021 at 14:51

Posted by: upthetims (6558)

Gaffer, the mouthpiece of those two left wing rags, Times and Telegraph

Replied: 12th May 2021 at 20:21

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7237)

There are more Irish people living in the UK than there are living in Ireland

Replied: 12th May 2021 at 20:32

Posted by: Billinge Biker (726)

Aye and a lot are thieving filth tinkers.

Replied: 13th May 2021 at 09:34

Posted by: broady (16925) 

And a lot played a major part in building the UK’s vast network of motorways. In the process they paid a lot of monies into the UK tax system.

Replied: 13th May 2021 at 12:37

Posted by: Billinge Biker (726)

I agree Broady.... And how the Navvies constructed our waterways is nothing but brilliant.. Each man shifting over 20 tons a day with a spade... Marvellous..

Replied: 13th May 2021 at 13:07

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7237)

Yes, they 'came across the water' to make their fortune, they worked on various civil engineering projects, and I knew one of them, who told me that for years he towed a caravan round from job to job, and earned good money, he was actually a 'tunneller' although Irish he settled down in Wigan, married a Wigan lass, and bought a house in Springfield, the Irish belong to the 'common travel area' which exists between Britain and Ireland which gives citizens of each country full residency rights, they can do anything they can work, vote, bank etc
This arrangement was reinstated upon Brexit, however referring to Billinge Bikers comment, the scumbag travellers who blight this country are descended from those Irish immigrants who worked on the motorways etc, and they are not the true Romany Gypsies

Replied: 13th May 2021 at 13:32

Posted by: broady (16925) 

I was working in Dublin around 2001 and we had lots of problems with travellers. They ventured on to our site one Saturday afternoon and the Gardai came and told them in no uncertain terms to move off in two hours or the " The lads from the Castle would be mobilised" This was the Army. Gone in less than two hours. Shortly after they took away a lot of the old rights they had with regards to pitching up anywhere etc. Next thing they are on tramp to Dunlaoghaire to catch the ferry to Anglesey and settle in a new country.

Replied: 13th May 2021 at 13:41


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