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Posted by: bambam (2567)

Hi Malc, where does pat live these days.

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 21:03

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Haydock David with Donna her daughter she split wi ste a few years back

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 21:19

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Thanks Malc i did not know that, to be honest not seen a lot of people from estate for years, but i know they look on here as they have taken photos off here to put onto downallgreen pride.

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 21:49

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

It's a good site dav keep it guin pal

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 22:12

Posted by: whups (8799) 

was the other to full dav ? .

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 23:55

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Thought i would change it Bri before someone complains it's to long.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 01:35

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

Not heard anything from "Bert" for a while last post before Xmas last year. He used to let us know how "Janet"( Jouels &Jouells 2) was going on in the USA . She last posted herself over 2 years ago but was having trouble logging on that's how we ended up with Jouells2. We also know she was not in the best of health but was recovering slowly. It was nice to see her a few years ago at the Bowling club even if she did not remember me

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 07:33

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Hi peterp, no they have not been on for a while I hope all is ok with them, have not heard from jouells brother ste for some time either, that meeting at bowling club was a good day I really enjoyed that meeting yourself and dougie and many more, perhaps we should do it again.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 08:17

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

First two there bambam and Dougie plus two of the last to leave remember, good job I was called away or I would have finished up under the table but I did come back

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 10:40

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Yes it was a very good afternoon dougie, I thought I had got wrong place at first there was no one around until you arrived, and bert kindly took me home the worst for wear a few hours later it was a good drink of Guinness in there.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 12:26

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

It's nice a good pint of Guinness David it's OK in garswood Hall always feels nice and homely in theer

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 20:19

Posted by: whups (8799) 

when was the last time you was in malc ? .

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 17:21

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Just before lock down bri

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 22:18

Posted by: bambam (2567)

I used go buffs there with mick middlehurst in 80s we got our drinks from club and shared the hut at rear of club with North Ashton Prize Band.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 23:13

Posted by: whups (8799) 

i could think of worse places to be dav than being with the girls band in that shed .

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 23:58

Posted by: bambam (2567)

May sound good that Bri but North Ashton Prize Band at that time was mostly Gents.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 12:16

Posted by: whups (8799) 

pity that dav .

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 12:31

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Now if it had been Trinity Girls well that would have been LOVELY.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 12:46

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I wonder why they changed the name to Britannia from Railway at bryn I know it's been gone a while now

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 14:39

Posted by: bambam (2567)

I've only ever known that pub as the Brittania Malc must have changed name years ago.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 20:39

Posted by: whups (8799) 

they never changed the name malc .

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 23:51

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Yes it was railway Inn see it bryn photo s

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 06:54

Posted by: whups (8799) 

malc it was the brittania when it was knocked down ? .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 12:31

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I know bri I've seen a photo where it's says Railway above door it's a long time ago they mentioned it on bryn site

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 15:59

Posted by: whups (8799) 

it could,nt have been that in bryn malc . our christine had that pub before it shut with then hubby tommy birchall . it was still called the brit when it was bulldozered .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 16:02

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

It's early 1900 hundreds bri it's a old photo

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 18:29

Posted by: whups (8799) 

i dont know about that malc & iv,e never heard or seen it called the railway ? .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 23:47

Posted by: bambam (2567)

i know it is still the Brittania on 1914 map.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 00:15

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Type in was Brit ever called the railway people on about it there see what you make of it .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 10:12

Posted by: whups (8799) 

malc there,s only you have seen it called the railway . are you sure it,s the same one ? .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 12:35

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Hi bri I seen it it's while back there's someone trying find it again it's an owd photo tho

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 12:56

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Hi Malc, can't find a photo but there is a map of bryn on places which states the Railway pub was there in 1901 it was put on by dougie.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 14:18

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I thout had dreamt it

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 18:08

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Dag27, this is the map showing the original name of the pub
---Here--

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 20:27

Posted by: whups (8799) 

did,nt think they had trains then ? .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 23:43

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I've see a photo where it says Railway Hotel above the door it's been on places Bryn site nice one Dougie and good morning to all

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 06:42

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Morning Malc, and a good one it is to if the photo was on places it should still be there perhaps you have seen it elsewhere.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 07:25

Posted by: whups (8799) 

it must have been between 1901 - 1914 malc .

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 11:30

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

The man that gave me that map plus other things to photocopy by the name of Brian Brown, next time I see him in Ashton I'll ask him about that photo I may have it on file somewhere but I've that many photo's on disks and hard drives I wouldn't know where to look

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 12:06

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Cheers Dougie and thanks for looking

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 12:35

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

The line between St helens and wigan opened 1869

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 15:06

Posted by: whups (8799) 

my word malc i bet that fone of yours is red hot .

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 15:12

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I cornt owd it bri

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 18:05

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Hi David you was right it was Brian Livsley she was laughing about it she said not seen anyone play kerby and all street games for years like we did

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 17:47

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Dag 27, best photo I can find is this one, --Here-- as on the other I found as the name Britannia Hotel right at the top facing you, this could have been a name change put on at a later date, as you say you've seen one with the Railway Hotel over the door

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 22:10

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Yes Malc we certainly enjoyed ourselves I loved all the games we played, that pic is going back a while dougie nice one.

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 23:36

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Google morning all nice one Dougie like I say I've seen the one wi railway Hotel

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 07:12

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Morning Malc, Brian has put Kevin & Carl's Rectory Nurseries on photo a day, who would of thought that what they have achieved to date was once an allotment run by Jack Prescott the man from Lilac Ave who was a good friend of your father.

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 10:23

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

for anyone that may not have seen the video Jimmy 'O' made with Kevin ---Here-- Have a look go full screen and see comments

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 11:42
Last edited by dougie: 3rd Jun 2022 at 11:47:17

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I know David it's good on pen as we called it back then they've done a great job on it wife works in skoo and they take kids across thi old fish pond still there old jack Prescott had it back then Brian Clarence had it for a short while too ???? bookies was on it too thy don't know thi next door nabour now How's Mrs Lewis doing

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 16:43

Posted by: bambam (2567)

She's doing fine thanks Malc I remember Brian & Doreen, they moved off estate to spindle hillock are they still there.

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 17:00

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I there OK don't see them much tho there Leanne lives with them they in there 80s now dav

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 17:56

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Good on them, last time I saw Brian he was having a pint in billy bostons pub now that's some years ago,I remember their daughter Joanne working in Tom whalleys pet shop that was years ago to.

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 18:44

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Just see jemmy o show very good I remember it well when Jack had it too they lady who lives in vicarage iam sure she as photo s when it was a bowling green I will ask her when I see her

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 20:17

Posted by: bambam (2567)

That sounds good Malc, try get a copy and put it on here.

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 21:26

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Morning David she at our today I will ask her

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 07:50

Posted by: bambam (2567)

It would be great to see a pic of the bowling green Malc, I've heard stories of the green off the elders who lived on estate but now sadly passed, I remember George foster showing me a pic of a tram or trolley bus on rectory rd near Everton st that pic will probably still be in family somewhere.

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 09:37

Posted by: whups (8799) 

dav there,s pics of the bowling green on album under north ashton .

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 11:43

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Hi Bri, I've seen that pic but it doesn't give you a good view of the green.

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 13:26

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Just spoke to Rita from vicarage she says she as photo of her dad stood with is mates nr bowling green and football pitch she said a lot of is mates on photo got killed in fust war her uncle was goalkeeper Bert Troutman Germany says she will bring some down next time

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 19:37

Posted by: bambam (2567)

I remember story of bert troutman Malc, a very hardened goalkeeper who played through a match with a broken neck.

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 19:56

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

She told mi some stories about him I he was very good keeper

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 21:47

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Oh yes he was ex German pow who played for city and clashed with a Birmingham player in 1956, this collision broke his neck but he carried on playing unknowing his real injury.

Replied: 4th Jun 2022 at 23:16

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Every skoo in st helens bourgh got a free book about is life story and you know what Rectory skoo didn't get one because they said its wigan where what you call no man's land up the greeners

Replied: 5th Jun 2022 at 09:37

Posted by: whups (8799) 

yet paying top whack for everything malc.

Replied: 5th Jun 2022 at 16:28

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

I know they will stand a cloging they will

Replied: 5th Jun 2022 at 16:38

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Daughter has told me they are enjoying themselves up there, they are having a party in cedar grove good on them.

Replied: 5th Jun 2022 at 18:35

Posted by: whups (8799) 

does your daughter live on here dav ? .

Replied: 5th Jun 2022 at 23:46

Posted by: bambam (2567)

No Bri I think she's been on Facebook, she has friends up there.

Replied: 6th Jun 2022 at 00:07

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Replied: 12th Jun 2022 at 09:39
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Posted by: suesa (636)

Hi Dougie. We have just been to our family grave tidying up. We took a petrol strimmer with us and while we were there we strimmed down the main path as much as we could until we ran out of fuel. We also chopped down loads of the tall weeds as they were looking like young trees. Its such a shame to see the graveyard so overgrown.

Replied: 17th Jun 2022 at 13:13
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Posted by: whups (8799) 

how old are you next week malc ? .

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 11:54

Posted by: bambam (2567)

He's not far off 58 Bri.

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 15:54

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Thy reet David 58 27th and still playing footbaw scored 3 last wik

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 18:37

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Yours before me bri 21st or 23rd gets mixed wi pip un curtsy

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 20:11

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Sue, Sorry for not saying anything about your post and the work you did in the Churchyard last week, "I've handed my gun back in" with the lack of help the volunteers as been getting this summer in the churchyard saying that, I would like to add that churchyards should not be labelled 'conservation areas' for Bees or anything else as an excuse for neglecting the paths and long grass making it a death trap people when trying to get to your family grave,

Rant over Sue but I hope you get MY meaning, I've looked after my Mam & Dads grave for 45 years and will still will as long as I can all 6 foot of it

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 20:25
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Posted by: whups (8799) 

today malc . 20th.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 00:00

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Morning bri hope your sober happy belated birthday pal I thout is was 23rd

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 06:57

Posted by: suesa (636)

I understand exactly what you're saying Dougie and totally agree. We'll just have to keep doing our little bit and hope others might do the same

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 09:48

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Same as Dougie but you shouldn't aft look after other folk's graves as well if they did there wouldn't be a problem I go up look after my mam n dad s so do my sisters ps they don't even look after there gardens now days

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 10:16

Posted by: suesa (636)

Saw your Lorraine there a few weeks ago Malc

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 10:39

Posted by: whups (8799) 

hav,nt had a drink in 4.5 yrs malc.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 11:38

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Hi Dougie I don't think you'll never get on top of tidying Downallgreen Holly trinity Church yard up its a full time job that for a gang of people mabe 4 it really is its a mamouth task its like painting 4th Bridge bi time thys done at one end its go back Recter Abbott as a lot to answer for really wants you lose it it's hard get back I had between 60 to 80 kids playing football on skoo field with Warren and is wife Elaine and 4 or 5 more and you had rector asking how can they get kids playing football on Sunday and I can't get them in church it's simple he didn't encourage them or welcome them rant over

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 17:34

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

Another greener past away Keneth Lomax brother to Jo or to give her full name Janet Lomax who lives in Florida I have tried to ring her but I can't get a line, RIP Kenneth.

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 13:17

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Oh dear that's sad news, Condolences to all the family R.I.P Kenneth.

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 13:31

Posted by: suesa (636)

Sad news. Thoughts and prayers are with Kenneth's family.
R. I. P Kenneth

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 14:26

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

RIP Kenneth

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 22:04

Posted by: whups (8799) 

dougie which lomax are we talking about . any relation to jimmy lomax who lived in leyland green rd ? .

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 23:48

Posted by: bambam (2567)

It was bentlegs Bri, yes I think it was jimmys son.

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 07:14

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Was it ste lomax they called horizontal champ next door to Tony Harrison

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 08:34

Posted by: suesa (636)

Yes Brian, Leyland Green Road. Janet, Kenneth, Roy and Steven

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 09:54
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Posted by: trixie (5050) 

I remember the Prescott family
Jack was a good friend of my grandfathers ,his wife Doris was friends with my grandmother.also daughters and Beryl and Marlene.
My ( mother ) used to go round to see Doris some Sundays and play cards I suppose the Men were propping the bar up in the Bell????

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 10:29

Posted by: whups (8799) 

yes i remember him now .short & stocky was,nt he .was he the oldest susan ? .

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 17:31

Posted by: suesa (636)

I'm pretty sure he was the eldest of the lads Brian, not sure if Janet was older than him

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 21:14

Posted by: whups (8799) 

for some reason i cant remember her susan . i dont think there,s any upto date pics of them . iv,e seen the old ones on the downall gr section in album .

Replied: 24th Jun 2022 at 23:52

Posted by: gaffer (7167) 

Janet will be 78 later this year. Her cousin Patricia Lomax, their fathers were brothers, is a regular attender at Park lane chapel.

Replied: 25th Jun 2022 at 18:57

Posted by: whups (8799) 

still cant remember her susan ? .

Replied: 28th Jun 2022 at 11:34

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

WE have decided to tie the knot in a big way, this was in 2013 our 50th wedding anniversary

Replied: 28th Jun 2022 at 20:29
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Posted by: whups (8799) 

congrats dougie .

Replied: 28th Jun 2022 at 23:46

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Found this whups why looking through the magazines,? is it a young you

Replied: 1st Jul 2022 at 20:21

Posted by: whups (8799) 

yes it is dougie . very good .

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 00:03

Posted by: bambam (2567)

And here's me thinking you was a poor pitman Bri.

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 02:08

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Morning David I he's not byte a Bob or 2 bri he was a very good darter tho all is arrows was dead straight not like other player s wobbling to board

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 06:40

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Morning Malc, oh I know they didn't call him whupper for nothing, best darter on circuit in his day.

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 07:46

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

Eileen the wife of Alex Williams passed away this week RIP

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 10:07

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Sorry to hear that tumtingle thanks for putting it on, never knew her by name R.I.P Eileen

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 11:45

Posted by: whups (8799) 

so sorry to here that . she sometimes got the bus with me at downall gr .

Replied: 2nd Jul 2022 at 17:19

Posted by: bert (700)

So sorry to hear about,Eileen,she worked at Levertons with my wife,a long time ago.Rip Eileen.

Replied: 3rd Jul 2022 at 12:24

Posted by: bert (700)

Janet Lomax was the oldest then Keneth ,Kenneth worked on Jack Slater mobile store,and on the pen when we you ,RIP Keneth.

Replied: 3rd Jul 2022 at 12:31

Posted by: suesa (636)

Roy was the same age as our Brent I think. They were always on the same footy team photo at school

Replied: 3rd Jul 2022 at 17:07
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Posted by: bambam (2567)

Sad loss R.I.P Eileen.

Replied: 4th Jul 2022 at 00:38

Posted by: Warr33 (41)

Hi, just to let you know that Rector David Abbott died last Wednesday 29th June {I believe}. No further details to date. He served from 1980 to 2014 and was the longest serving Rector at Holy Trinity. Condolences to his family.

Replied: 4th Jul 2022 at 21:13

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Thanks for info Warr 33, I think he was also youngest Rector to take over after Eric heaton, so sad R.I.P David.

Replied: 4th Jul 2022 at 23:00

Posted by: whups (8799) 

did,nt he stop the walks at jelly sunday ? .

Replied: 5th Jul 2022 at 12:05

Posted by: whups (8799) 

malc very i,ll with covid dav . dont expect any replies soon ? .

Replied: 5th Jul 2022 at 12:06

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Oh sad to hear that Bri, I hope he has a full recovery with no complications, it seems that the virus is back with a vengeance I know loads of people who have it and hospitals are struggling again.

Replied: 5th Jul 2022 at 12:25

Posted by: whups (8799) 

there,s 6 others at the hoist place who have it dav including jeff knowles.

Replied: 5th Jul 2022 at 14:52

Posted by: bambam (2567)

It's spreading like wildfire Bri, my workmates just rung me and asked if I can cover his shifts as hes got it now, unbelievable.

Replied: 5th Jul 2022 at 16:31

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

We went for a walk round Car Mill Dam last week not been for years, these photo are some I took of the original over flow that topped -up the Sankey Canal at Black Brook Haydock for it's working life, ANYONE remember the good times we had at Car-mill will make photos bigger forgot how

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Replied: 9th Jul 2022 at 11:01
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Posted by: whups (8799) 

actually been fishing there dougie in the past .

Replied: 9th Jul 2022 at 12:07

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Whups more history in them four photo's connected to the coal mining than you would ever think possible, you should know this living only a few miles away ? just asking what it was used for in the past

Replied: 9th Jul 2022 at 16:52

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

Dougie, not Haydock. Ashton in Makerfield!

Replied: 9th Jul 2022 at 21:14

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

We used to go camping at Happy Valley, which is where the brook inflowing to the dam runs.

We would walk through the fields from the Scout hut on Liverpool Road.

If it turned out to be p**ing down, we would instead sleep in the scout hut and enjoy The Skitters. There was a bit more to them back in them days.

Replied: 9th Jul 2022 at 22:45

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Dougie, not Haydock. Ashton in Makerfield!

If I had put Ashton-in-Makerfield you would've said it's in Haydock or Seneley Green and I've no doubt you would be right in some way

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 08:32

Posted by: whups (8799) 

yes dougie it covers about 3 borders .

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 11:29

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

I was under the impression that the dam originally powered the Stanley Slitting Mill, but no doubt someone will tell me that is wrong.

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 12:14

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

It originally powered Carr Forge and filled a canal. From Carr Forge to Stanley Mill was a canal (not the Sankey Canal).
So, that canal, linking a forge and a mill and being used to transport iron, was an industrial canal?
And that canal was there, in use, long before the Sankey Canal?
So, how can the Sankey Canal be the "first industrial canal"?

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 12:40

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

When did the amusement park at Carr Mill Dam cease?

There used to be a place on The East Lancs Road called Carr Mill Café: they bought all the ice cream making machinery which had been Ramsdale's Ice Cream (Rose Hill) I don't know if they then went in for any manufacture above and beyond their café sales. (circa 1952)

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 13:03

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Here we go again not getting involved but we all know Sankey Canal was the first man made canal dug out from scratch.

Carr Forge Dam and river is in Sheffield it's nothing like the Sankey Canal starting at Black brook St-Helen. Carr Forge Dam is situated nearby to Hackenthorpe, and close to Shire Brook Valley Local Nature Reserve.

Just adding this --Video of the Area--

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 15:27
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Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

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Edit: personal identifier removed.

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 16:10
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Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

Thanks, duggie. Enjoyed seeing that vid.

Sad that where I learned my tent craft now built up urban landscape, but so much of the open space I once knew now is.

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 16:23

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

The Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire -

"in March 1720, Edward Hall “secured from Sir William Gerrard of Garswood a 30-year lease of Carr Mill, Ashton-in-Makerfield,"

“There was also a small private canal between the Stanley Copper Mill at Blackbrook (at the head of an arm of the Sankey Navigation) and the mills at Carr Pool (now called Carr Mill Dam, Dougie), higher up the Black Brook.”
"A navigable canal with a boat on it, operating on the half-mile stretch between the mill at Carr and those at Stanley."

So, there you have it, Dougie. A navigable canal with a boat on it, carrying corn and iron, operating on a half-mile stretch of canal between the mill at Carr and those at Stanley.
And that was operational BEFORE the opening of the Sankey Canal in 1757.

Also, the Sankey wasn't "the first man made canal dug out from scratch" as the Romans dug many canals in there near 400 year occupation of this island of ours. Apparently, there was "over 1300 miles of canal" before the Sankey opened.

And, don't forget, the Sankey Canal had been opened nearly a hundred years before St.Helens was invented! You St.Helensers, and your claims to fame, eh.!

PS: You can claim the 'World's First Mechanically Propelled Boat' was invented in (what is now) St.Helens if you want, I'll let you have that one.

World's first steam powered boat by John Smith, maiden voyage on Sankey Canal.

Replied: 10th Jul 2022 at 17:22
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Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

tonker,

So was Carr Mill within the boundaries of the old Ashton UDC?

Is that the same as town boundary?

I never paid that much attention to it when we had an UDC.

Replied: 11th Jul 2022 at 11:48

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

Apparently, there's a confluence of two brooks under Carr Mill Dam, somewhere, laaaaike, and the brooks were boundaries of three named places. Ashton in Makerfield was one, I think Billinge another and, possibly, Windle (?, might be Parr (?)). But, there's a lost part of Winstanley there too. Somewhere.
We had some land (family, raaaaight, not me personally!) which some said was in Haydock. Others said it was in Blackbrook but that's not a real place (although it is a councillor ward). Some call it Pewfall. The land registry, who should know their arses from their elbowses about that sort of thing, have it down as being in Ashton in Makerfield.

I do know the head leaseholder of all the land to be the Gerard title as I (personally, raaaaight!) had to pay the said "title" quite a sum of money to have residual covenants removed. That went to the 'trustees of the title' which, conveniently for some, happened to be a Jewish law firm in Westminster!

Replied: 11th Jul 2022 at 18:48

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

I recall reading About Gerrard's Sough, not particularly close to Ashton, so I wonder if they had acquired parcels of land discontinuous from that which we usually think of.

Having said that, there is also Gerrard's Bridge .Did a Gerrard commission its construction?

I believe Perry Bridge took its name from Alderman Perry, which in turn led to people calling this portion of Park Brook by that name also. So, slippery things these names, willing to detach and reattach to other bodies.

Replied: 12th Jul 2022 at 15:41

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

I recall reading About Gerrard's Sough, not particularly close to Ashton, so I wonder if they had acquired parcels of land discontinuous from that which we usually think of.

Having said that, there is also Gerrard's Bridge .Did a Gerrard commission its construction?

I believe Perry Bridge took its name from Alderman Perry, which in turn led to people calling this portion of Park Brook by that name also. So, slippery things these names, willing to detach and reattach to other bodies.

Replied: 12th Jul 2022 at 15:41

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

Gosh! I seem to have gone stereophonic.

Replied: 12th Jul 2022 at 15:42

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

The Gerard estate covers an enormous area. It doesn't only cover Bryn.
I think it goes as far to the west as Windle, maybe further.

Gerard Family Papers.

Replied: 12th Jul 2022 at 19:37
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Posted by: dougie (4853) 

As the house's were built on his land they would make one of the houses responsible for the collection of the ground rent ever year and to see it was paid to Lord Gerards estate, the house that I lived in on Lowe Bank Road was one of these house numbers that HAD to collect, I still have them saved here up to 1984 you never know

This is now the only 6 foot peace of land I attend to in the Churchyard, the volunteers have no chance without help

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Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

If you walk on the left of the dam you can see cast iron post with the Ashton in makerfield name on I think that is the boundary.

Replied: 13th Jul 2022 at 10:35

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

" the left of the dam"

Is the West bank if you approach from The East Lancs
but it's the East side if you approach along the watercourse (from Happy Valley)?

I assume the former, being left if you are looking at a map, is this correct?

Replied: 13th Jul 2022 at 16:05

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

It's a very nice walk from Sankey valley up to Carr Mill Dam Park at ship and walk right upto dam the Brook doesn't half fill up in winter I bet you come back down in a strong dinghy allway back to car park

Replied: 15th Jul 2022 at 06:41

Posted by: whups (8799) 

see you got over covid malc .

Replied: 15th Jul 2022 at 11:57

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Hi bri not good pal back at work ney tho kick on there's loads with it again

Replied: 15th Jul 2022 at 12:37

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

I found this in Graces Guide:

1784 Advert: To be Sold by Auction: ALL that well known compleat ROLLING and SLITTING MILL, called STANLEY MILL, seven Miles from Wigan, with the Warehouses, Dwelling-houses, Gardens, and other necessary Buildings contiguous thereto, situate by Sankey Canal, falls into the River Mersey, communicate by Water with Liverpool, Warrington, and Manchester, with the several Towns adjoining the Staffordshire Canal; said Mills are in the Centre of extensive Manufacturies, in Iron, Cotton, &c.
Coals of excellent Quality, are delivered at the Works, on the same Terms as on board the Flats, in the Canal.
Also all that roomy and convenient Rolling Mill, Smith’s Shop, and extensive Yard adjoining, with a stout and well-built Wheel, full 24 Feet diameter; and a Warehouse Feet 30 by 45 Feet, situate upon Carr Pool, a Piece of Water covering 13 Acres, of 8 Yards to the Perch, from whence it falls 24 Feet; where is also a very compleat and well-accustomed Corn Mill, with Drying Kiln, and other useful Conveniences, several Dwelling-houses, Gardens, &c.
There is a navigable Canal with a Boat open it, from the Works at Carr, to those at Stanley, suitable for conveying Goods betwixt the two Places, distant about Half a Mile.
The whole of the Premises are held under Sir Robert Gerrard, Bart. for 21 Years, from February 2d, 1784, subject to an annual Rent of 57l.
From the great command of Water, the Structure of the Wheels, the extent and conveniency of the Buildings, these Works may at a moderate Expence, be accommodated to any Purposes in the Cotton Manufactory, being in a very populous Neighhourhood.
Mr. Rigby, in Billinge, Mr. John Leech, Ashton, or the Clerk of the Works, will shew the Premises

Replied: 15th Jul 2022 at 13:26

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

I heard that over half of the residents couldn't read back in the 18th century. So, why would they have a book shop in a slitting mill?

Replied: 15th Jul 2022 at 13:41

Posted by: ena malcup (1500) 

Not only the 18th century!

I am trying online searches for stuff to do with 'Boon work'
Google insists upon returning me results for Book work.

Replied: 15th Jul 2022 at 19:34

Posted by: whups (8799) 

glad to see your up & about malc.

Replied: 22nd Jul 2022 at 11:51

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Hope you're ok now Malc, I believe you're Lorraine was talking to my mother in Trinity graveyard last week.

Replied: 22nd Jul 2022 at 13:54

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

In Wales now hols don't know David not seen her pal it's bad that bloody thing I felt like Repunsul in bed room hope Mrs Lewis OK take care as geet that scaffolding down bri sell it if not on market place they will come and take it down

Replied: 22nd Jul 2022 at 19:26

Posted by: whups (8799) 

yes it,s gone malc . thought you,d used all your rest days .

Replied: 22nd Jul 2022 at 23:52

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Hi Bri, flag stamper has rung me panicking as bell seems to have shut, someone's told him them who was running it have now got stag at garswood, so he has travel to Ashton now for his daily top up.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2022 at 19:19

Posted by: whups (8799) 

i dont know why he,s grumbling dav as it,s cheaper in ashton than the bell ? .

Replied: 23rd Jul 2022 at 23:55

Posted by: bambam (2567)

I told him that but I think he likes to keep up with local gossip, it's free on bus and no distance to walk really and as you say his pocket will benefit, back in day I loved going in bell but things change and I certainly wouldn't be a regular these days.

Replied: 24th Jul 2022 at 10:55

Posted by: whups (8799) 

most have been going ashton for years dav .

Replied: 24th Jul 2022 at 11:33

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Don't blame them Bri, I know all bryn lads go there as I used go with them when buffs was active, he just rang me again asking if bell will open again I said how the hell would I know I suppose it's possible them girls are running 2 pubs.

Replied: 24th Jul 2022 at 12:26

Posted by: whups (8799) 

cant answer that dav as it,s over 4 .5 yrs since i had a drink ? .

Replied: 24th Jul 2022 at 17:44

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

Needs proper Inn keepers Bell it was open last week Bri not been in since David Houghton passing a lot go pit pony I think not missing out tho if them bell walls could talk they could tell some tales

Replied: 24th Jul 2022 at 19:23

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

Last time I heard the Pit Pony has shut

Replied: 24th Jul 2022 at 19:53

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

Have they caught anybody for the Downall Green Road shooting yet?
They were probably after Dougie. He'll've been treading on someones toes!

Replied: 26th Jul 2022 at 10:11

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

Tonks Dougie lives nearer to you than Downall Green Rd

Replied: 26th Jul 2022 at 10:44

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

I was under the impression that Dougie lived behind the Bath Springs, near Bentlegs!

Replied: 26th Jul 2022 at 13:26

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

Dougie lives on the estate behind the telephone exchange Ashton

Replied: 26th Jul 2022 at 15:17

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

TÒNKER, THA KNOWS NOWT BENTLEGS DOES NOT LIVE ANY WHERE NEAR THE BATH SPINGS

Replied: 26th Jul 2022 at 16:16

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

J.W. said you lived across from him, and he lived behind the Bath Springs, across from you!

Replied: 26th Jul 2022 at 17:09

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

They should send them Ukrain if they want shoot one another they would shit there pants all lot of them

Replied: 27th Jul 2022 at 07:55

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

JW need to get his facts right Never lived across from him,

Replied: 27th Jul 2022 at 10:39

Posted by: whups (8799) 

hav,nt you got anything else to talk about instead of where someone lived ? .

Replied: 28th Jul 2022 at 11:49

Posted by: whups (8799) 

wot do you think of that pic i sent you of curtsy malc .

Replied: 29th Jul 2022 at 00:02

Posted by: Dagutd27 (480) 

It's a good un that I couldn't tell at first wardy couldn't ether

Replied: 29th Jul 2022 at 06:05

Posted by: whups (8799) 

how come malc ? . you only live 10yds from him ? .

Replied: 29th Jul 2022 at 11:16

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

Talking about someone who only lives 10 yards away put the hat on whups

Replied: 1st Aug 2022 at 16:08

Posted by: tonker (25519) 

Replied: 1st Aug 2022 at 16:32

Posted by: whups (8799) 

wot hat,s that .

Replied: 1st Aug 2022 at 23:57

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

TONKERS PISS POT , KEEPS IT UNDER T,BED

Replied: 2nd Aug 2022 at 10:48

Posted by: whups (8799) 

still dont understand you bentlegs , wot hat ? .

Replied: 2nd Aug 2022 at 11:53

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

Cow pat, keep the yed warm

Replied: 3rd Aug 2022 at 10:01

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

.
Talking about someone who only lives 10 yards away put the hat on whups
-------------I know what I would've said ----------or put--------

Talking about someone who only lives 10 yards away put the hat on BamBam not Whups , it's run it's time I for one think it would be to see it go

Replied: 3rd Aug 2022 at 10:11

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

A bit long in,t tooth Bam Bam how about number 20

Replied: 4th Aug 2022 at 19:57

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

takes about 2 seconds to scroll from 1st post to last post. Click on 1st post then press pg dn button

Replied: 6th Aug 2022 at 11:36

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

Page up page down hhhhhhPeter my computer is knackerd so I use my 10in pad and it doesn't, have page up or down

Replied: 6th Aug 2022 at 23:26

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

Bentlegs then I agree time for a new thread

Replied: 7th Aug 2022 at 10:27

Posted by: bentlegs (4854)

At 86 years old today I don't intend to get a new computer Peter, this pad will do.

Replied: 7th Aug 2022 at 14:17

Posted by: bambam (2567)

Happy birthday bentlegs, I will do number 20 shortly.

Replied: 7th Aug 2022 at 17:10

Posted by: PeterP (9490)

Happy birthday Bentlegs

Replied: 7th Aug 2022 at 17:34

Posted by: bambam (2567)

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