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Posted by: bambam (2487)

Here we go with number 18 guys,thanks for all your contributions on thread 17. Enjoy.

Replied: 25th Mar 2022 at 20:37

Posted by: bambam (2487)

You are right Malc, WN says it all.

Replied: 25th Mar 2022 at 20:39

Posted by: PeterP (9283)

Post code area are a mess. St Helens has a Warrington post code , Atherton has a Manchester post code Same with Phone numbers Golborne has a Wigan code but comes under Warrington .All down to which exchange/sorting area you come under

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 08:32

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i have 1 even better than that . the chemist in billinge rd has a wigan phone number & you walk thru the door into the doctors & theirs is a st helens phone number ? . work that 1 out .

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 11:41

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I've not been up there for a while, didn't even know there was a chemist on billinge rd.

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 13:42

Posted by: whups (8234) 

joined onto the clinic dav .

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 14:34

Posted by: PeterP (9283)

Bambam just past Birch Grove heading towards Billinge there is a clinic/chemist on your right. There is a kiddies play area to the front and adult exercise equipment to the side of the chemists Even DG has come up in the world

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 14:42

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks guys, I just looked on map when I was a lad it was Mr Hunts corn field, you're right Peter estate has certainly changed to keep up with modern times.

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 14:50

Posted by: ena malcup (929)

whups,

I may have the answer to your telephone quandary.

It is all to do with how things were done in the past.

Something called 'private lines': typically a telephone service that uses a dedicated, usually unswitched point-to-point circuit. I recall doing one of these in 1960's, from Horace's Shoe Shop, at corner of Bryn Street and Wigan Road, in Ashton, to proprietor's home on Liverpool Road. There is only one line to the exchange, and one telephone number. Both home and business can access it. The business phone would be switched through to the house when shop is closed.

In the case which you describe:

Either the chemist or the clinic may have had such a system.

If one home was in Wigan, but the business in St Helens (or vice versa) as far as telephone numbers were concerned, the the phone being connected to the exchange via the private line will apparently be numbered as if in the other area.

Anachronistic, but we did not always have cheap telephony, mobile phones, and suchlike. I remember when waiting list for getting a telephone was commonplace, and many had shared service (party lines) to stretch the available cable capacity.

Replied: 26th Mar 2022 at 23:44

Posted by: whups (8234) 

no ena there 2 seperate concerns .

Replied: 27th Mar 2022 at 00:34

Posted by: ena malcup (929)

You misunderstand.

Not linked to each other in this way. That would be pointless when they are so close. (and, I guess undesirable)

I am saying maybe one had a such a link between business premises and proprietor's home.

Replied: 27th Mar 2022 at 00:39

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i think it,s because the chemist has a wigan postcode & the doctors are run by st helens medical authority . it,s a strange 1.

Replied: 27th Mar 2022 at 02:29

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Anyroad us greeners it's wigin it was done for votes and then they couldn't be arsed wit rest on it ie money How's Mrs Lewis David

Replied: 27th Mar 2022 at 09:29

Posted by: bambam (2487)

She's fine thanks Malc, Daughter is taking her out today for a nice meal, I can't go as I'm working tonight, but I will catch up when I'm off in week.

Replied: 27th Mar 2022 at 13:14

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Very good dav wish your mam happy mothers day from me to pal

Replied: 27th Mar 2022 at 18:22

Posted by: uncle joe (708)

Question for anyone that can answer it.

On a map I found, dated 1914, it shows that there was a pub t the junction of Booths Brow Road and Rectory road. It was roughly where Jack Slaters pen was. Do any of you know what it was called, and anything else about its history?

Replied: 2nd Apr 2022 at 17:20

Posted by: whups (8234) 

it,s news to me ? .

Replied: 2nd Apr 2022 at 23:57

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I've looked on our old map but no signs of a pub just pens, only pub anywhere near is Blue Bell, maybe dougie or bentlegs may know summat.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 02:46

Posted by: uncle joe (708)

The Bell is shown on the same map, as is the church. Both are marked simply as Inns.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 07:33

Posted by: whups (8234) 

did,nt bill ryders dad have a pen in that area dav ? .

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 11:34

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Hi uncle joe, I can see using maps that are on this thread an inn where you say just on corner where leyland green road meets booths brow, that's in 1885 it's also on a map dated 1920, but on these maps it doesn't show blue bell with the inn you mentioned, what site did you get the map showing both inns.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 12:54

Posted by: uncle joe (708)

I googled "side by side georeferenced maps" looking for somthing else when I found it. Its still shown on the OS maps 1940 to 1947.

Bambam, I couldnt see the Bell on that map. The Church was there though.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 14:33

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Yes uncle joe it's a strange one not all maps show both pubs but as I say dougie or bentlegs may know, it's obvious there was a pub there, Bri I think owd Bill had a pen there as he lived not far from pens, if young willie sees this he will get Janice to reply.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 15:31

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Uncle joe, was there a post office facing blue bell, a map of 1949 is showing that, I can only remember jack Prescotts allotment and a bookies.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 15:44

Posted by: uncle joe (708)

Bambam: The Post Office was not facing the Blue Bell, but higher up, more or less opposite the church. In the 50's, it was lower down Rectory Road. Opposite the Bell was a Betting Shop, as well as a phone box. I'm not 100% certain, but I think that was in another location in the 50's. Dougie will know when he turns up.

Back to the pub. As it was shown on the 1947 map, some of the older DG:ers should be able to remember it, as it must have been there when families were moving onto the estate

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 16:32

Posted by: bambam (2487)

yes i remember post office facing church uncle joe, it was run by Norman White at the time and when he retired it closed down i think that was in mid to late 70s.

Replied: 3rd Apr 2022 at 22:07

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

The telephone box was in a garden further down road,I’m not sure if it was Normans mother and father .who I think run the post office before him,
Mr&Mrs Crompton?
I may be wrong

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 09:59

Posted by: suesa (626)

You're right trixie. As I remember Mr & Mrs Crompton were Mrs Whites parents. They ran the post office from their front room. It was the last terrace in the row from Kevin Duffy place and had the post box just inside their front gate, across from the parish hall. When they retired Mr & Mrs White took over the post office business and ran it from their house across from the church.

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 10:46
Last edited by suesa: 9th Apr 2022 at 22:53:38

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks trixie & suesa, I can't remember Mr & Mrs crompton running post office but I remember very well where they lived as you said near Kevin Duffy, don't suppose either of you remember the pub uncle joe mentioned.

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 12:39

Posted by: uncle joe (708)

I dont remember a Mr. &Mrs. Crompton at the Post Office either. The only family with that name I knew lived in Cedar Grove.

As the pub was still there in 1947, I can only guess that the name would be rememberd by the first families that moved on to the estate, or those living at the top end of Rectory Road.

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 13:28

Posted by: whups (8234) 

the pub was there at the turn of the century & no houses in downall green except rectory rd . iv,e looked it up & in 1869 the blue bell was listed in the wigan directory & was run by a robert norris & no other pub is listed in n/ashton.

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 15:28
Last edited by whups: 4th Apr 2022 at 15:40:34

Posted by: woodie (44)

Hi bambam

Janice here replying for YOUNG Willie as you call him ( he says thanks for that, not been called that for a long time ????)

Regarding Booths Brow Road/ Leyland Green Road Junction I will put a photo on the North Ashton site.

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 19:40

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks Janice, i look forward to that hope you are all well aint heard from you for a while.

Replied: 4th Apr 2022 at 20:14

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Hi Brian does remember Harry that played for us Alan Harrison he as passed away good lad and great footballer RIP Harry about 65 ish

Replied: 5th Apr 2022 at 19:26

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

No I never remember any other pub.I’m surprised some of you never remember the telephone box in the garden it was really hard to miss.????

Replied: 5th Apr 2022 at 22:19

Posted by: bambam (2487)

trixie i think i must of been a nipper then, when i was growing up there Norman was post master in his house facing church, and the old red phone box was facing bell.

Replied: 5th Apr 2022 at 23:03

Posted by: whups (8234) 

wot about the bell bowling green where the car park & kevin,s garden centre is now dav .

Replied: 6th Apr 2022 at 16:08

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I think if there was a pub the question would have been asked a long time ago me thinks anyroad Sammy remember s bowling green bri

Replied: 6th Apr 2022 at 18:25

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Perhaps the pub was called gustavo Arms if there was one that is but I think it would have picked upon by now fellow greeners

Replied: 6th Apr 2022 at 19:50

Posted by: whups (8234) 

malc iv,e never even heard of any pub being there . sammy might remember it walking across it to the croft .

Replied: 6th Apr 2022 at 23:40

Posted by: bambam (2487)

yes iv'e seen bowling green on old maps Bri, i was looking for the morgue which i believe was in bell vault at one time, but in them days they had to use places like that on a temporary basis.

Replied: 7th Apr 2022 at 00:28

Posted by: whups (8234) 

that,s why it had a stone floor dav . every pub had a bowling green in those days .believe it or not part of the original wall is still part of the bell car park & the wall near the phone box too .

Replied: 7th Apr 2022 at 11:59

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Oh yes, I remember that wall it was very well built did Simms rd have a green, I can't remember one I know garswood club had one.

Replied: 7th Apr 2022 at 12:30

Posted by: whups (8234) 

yes they did dav & i played on it when i was a nipper & seen matches there . it,s now the beer garden.

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 00:08

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Oh thanks Bri, that's just before my time then, it's now a game that's dying out the two large bowling greens in Wigan park had been magnificent for years, these greens were very busy in summer and nice evenings but they are derelict now, such a shame.

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 11:53

Posted by: whups (8234) 

it,s the same with darts dav so many pubs & clubs dont have boards in them .

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 12:04

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Best neet urt wik bri dust remember hitting Tommy kemp wit oily rag just as he come through tap room door now now boys

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 13:01

Posted by: bambam (2487)

That sounds funny Malc, I remember Bri could have a temper especially if someone was taking mickey

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 13:49

Posted by: whups (8234) 

it was jimmy stewart malc & when he threw it back at me he hit tommys pint & knocked it over him.

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 14:52

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Like all pubs back then they where of characters you couldn't drink for laughing you where frinked of missing sumert packed darts n doms neets

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 19:58

Posted by: bambam (2487)

It makes you wonder where all old folk go now as there is no entertainment and clubs anymore, the village back in day was packed sat & sun nights, and me and Kevin as the bingo hosts,ha ha and stamping Stan foster the compère,good laughs back then.

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 20:34

Posted by: annemarie (258)

I dont have a clue where Down Hall Green is but I enjoy reading your posts when I was young we had a community like yours keep on poasting

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 20:38

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Hi annemarie, downallgreen is a village between Billinge and Bryn and sits alongside Garswood I was born and bred there and most of my friends still live there, I myself now reside in Wigan and my old friends keep me updated as to what goes on and we can reminisce on wiganworld, thanks for your post you are more than welcome to join us.

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 21:25

Posted by: whups (8234) 

dav there,s summat going on for chris boland on sunday . had a visit from shaun tonite for some music ? .

Replied: 8th Apr 2022 at 23:49

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Very interesting, ain't heard nowt Bri nobody been in touch, thanks for info.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 01:50

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Thi old parish Hall being done up don't know who's got it I've been told it's going to be a support centre for victims of abuse don't know where they come from but I know we're the land

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 08:22

Posted by: bambam (2487)

That will be St. Helens council Malc sending you all ther unwanted, the old frog lane yard now hosts flats for drug users and a battered wife's refuge, the people who dwell there are from Leigh and platt bridge and other areas, the old workhouse has flats housing all sorts of undesirables, police are never away and the council are building more houses on the old regentruck site so I'm now surrounded.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 10:07

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

To all Downall Greener, you have a Seneley Green councillor that lives on Leyland Green Road, you all should know her so why not ask her as I think you've got it all wrong about the Parish Hall

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 10:58

Posted by: whups (8234) 

dougie your an ex-downall greener so stop refering to us that still live there as "senley greeners" . we will never be SENLEY GREEN".

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 11:20

Posted by: whups (8234) 

dav shaun is calling today for some music for it . i,ll ask him about it . long time since you & big chris were doin "mexican joe & the christmas polka" in the village club .

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 11:23

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Ha ha it sure is Bri, I loved them bank holidays in village club they always had free & easy afternoons everyone enjoyed it and it was always packed, absolutely priceless.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 11:40

Posted by: whups (8234) 

your right there dav & youngy still does the christmas polka .

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 11:48

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Not seen youngy in years, all lads from bell travelled to Ashton sat & sun for a good night out they was always good fun, dek higham and Paul Thompson, ste Hayes, Dave Johnson and many more.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 12:41

Posted by: bambam (2487)

dougie whilst you're on have you seen the post uncle joe put on about an old inn where slaters pen was.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 12:49

Posted by: whups (8234) 

there,s never been a pub there dav .

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 14:32

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I certainly ain't never heard of one Bri, I don't think there was any brick buildings on that stretch after Bill raffertys property.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 15:21

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

I never remember any brick work on that side of the road only pens, but I do remember them filling the land on that site with waste from the coal mines may have been covering something up, like they did on the other side, later Jack Slater put a big shed on that corner, then it dropped down to the other pens, what ever anyone says the last pen and last house on the other side was the Davis family ( Colin ,Brian) long before Tommy Aspinall move in I never remember him living on the Estate but may have

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 16:58

Posted by: whups (8234) 

colin who worked at golborne dougie ? .

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 23:53

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Can't help with that one Bri, only Davies I knew was Bert who worked with my father at stones pit, he lived in cedar grove next door to john scully, but he had a son named Colin but must of been a different family.

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 00:42

Posted by: whups (8234) 

dougie will know . the colin davis i,m on about was a fitter at golborne .

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 01:26

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

That's him whups and the same family that lived in Cedar Grove from 1946 , Bert was the Dad that bambam and turfman will remember,
people may not know but they rigged their own communication phone up from each others house as there was only one public phone in the village in the 60s

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 10:54

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Two brothers I was talking to them in church yard a few wik back reminiscing as you do Colin just like is dad Fred

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 11:31

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Bert sorry is there dad was one of lads not Fred dav

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 11:35

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

NO--- Brian, Colin, Allan, Graham, You'll all have photo's like these from your past on the estate taken 1957, Dag27 you could be uploading like this

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 11:43
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Posted by: whups (8234) 

i see colin now & again in ashton . a good friend of my uncle john (big john marsh) .

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 12:07

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

Whups I never knew that, was at school with Mesh in 1951 and his wife from1943 at DG school, how is he last I herd he was in the home at stubshi , if you see his wife tell her Dougie as been asking about John

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 12:27

Posted by: whups (8234) 

he,s still there dougie & my aunty philis still goes everyday she can . but a bad day today as her youngest our andrew died a year ago today .

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 12:35

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i printed the school pic for him . i see brian sparks & keith garswood on it , where are you in the pic dougie .

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 12:39

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

Seen the photo but not on that one as it was the first year and they were still sorting the classes out,

John Scully just called round to see his uncle Dougie they don't forget people that's been nice to them, he brought two boxes of Tetley Smooth Ale 12x2 said it's just in case I couldn't get to the shops

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 14:13

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Good lad John greeners greeners

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 18:45

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Oh that's nice dougie, glad to see turfmon looking after his uncle, ain't seen him in a while hope all is ok with him.

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 23:35

Posted by: whups (8234) 

tell him to send me some dougie , hav,nt had a drink in 4 yrs .

Replied: 11th Apr 2022 at 00:10

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I thy suped anough befoor that tho bri

Replied: 11th Apr 2022 at 12:37

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Ha ha, what try say Malc does think Bri is a retired alcoholic.

Replied: 11th Apr 2022 at 12:46

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

BamBam
Oh that's nice dougie, glad to see turfmon looking after his uncle, ain't seen him in a while hope all is ok with him.

Yes he's OK now, he knocked all his front teeth loose with a swinging hand drill he dropped why working , tried to get a appointment to have them pulled but couldn't so he pulled them out his self, you should see him now no teeth

Replied: 11th Apr 2022 at 15:24

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Oh dear, I bet that was painful and probably run out being costly, poor turfmon a bit like me always in wars.

Replied: 11th Apr 2022 at 15:48

Posted by: whups (8234) 

he might have a fireplace put in dav .

Replied: 11th Apr 2022 at 23:59

Posted by: bambam (2487)

ha ha, yes he might Bri nice one.

Replied: 12th Apr 2022 at 00:26

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

If he can get in anywhere he's having them all out once and for all, then new set Top and Bottom

P.S. why I'm on,, I've asked three times off the good people of D.G to help ME with a litter-pick one Saturday or Sunday morning, in the beautiful oases in your village called the Dell, before everything gets covered again with the new life that's starting to grow . I'm ashamed to say it looks like a tip with can and other rubbish, I know nothing will get done but rant over, this is one of my litter-picks

Replied: 12th Apr 2022 at 09:21
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Posted by: whups (8234) 

unfortunately dougie downall green isnt the same anymore because no-one knows who,s who and st helens council just keep putting people on here & using the estate as a place to dump their problems on . gone are the days where everyone knew each other & you could leave your front door open . you cant leave your back gate open now .

Replied: 12th Apr 2022 at 11:04

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

No respect today I've been at back cars and they throw there rubbish out it's sad really but that's society now days they don't look after the gardens ney mind woods Dougie walking up rectory Road like dog shite alley

Replied: 12th Apr 2022 at 12:58

Posted by: whups (8234) 

malc that belgravia hotel in arenal is now called ipanema beach hotel .

Replied: 15th Apr 2022 at 17:28

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

It's hard believe it's all them years ago bri that

Replied: 15th Apr 2022 at 18:07

Posted by: whups (8234) 

yep 33 yrs ago malc,

Replied: 15th Apr 2022 at 23:32

Posted by: bambam (2487)

That's irresponsible dog owners Malc, they can't be bothered clean it up it happens everywhere, they have stamped the flags on streets and put signs up in Springfield stating dog fouling must be cleaned up or face prosecution, you can't blame the animal and they no longer roam streets, it's lazy owners.

Replied: 16th Apr 2022 at 14:53

Posted by: whups (8234) 

speaking of flag stamping dav how,s spike doin ? .

Replied: 16th Apr 2022 at 23:48

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

He was good in fact very good, when I was talking to him in Ashton out side the T.S.B. and as smart as ever, I asked putting IN or OUT, IN I've nothing spend it on, He did invite me to join him in Tom & Gerrie's, I couldn't only gone for a haircut he called me Douglas all the time I said only my Mam calls me that

Replied: 17th Apr 2022 at 11:05

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Aye he's a proper gent is mr middlehurst, I spoke to him this morning and he says the ankle still bothers him, he says he will ignore the pain and stamp a few flags round to bell this afternoon.

Replied: 17th Apr 2022 at 11:58

Posted by: whups (8234) 

dougie there,s someone asking when the gas works shut down on princess rd ? .

Replied: 18th Apr 2022 at 11:54

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

I don't know remember going there for coke as a lad and the gas showroom being there also the Post office sorting office building in York road but as for dates it just seems along time ago

That Tetley's off John is going down grate, remember everything in moderation is good for you

Testing reaction to this photo, remember on Friday Jesus died for us on the cross,where did I take the photo today WILL DELETE

Replied: 18th Apr 2022 at 19:22
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Posted by: whups (8234) 

i remember going to the record shop in york rd with my mam who worked at cromps . my guess is around 1980.

Replied: 18th Apr 2022 at 23:45

Posted by: bentlegs (4784)

I would think soon after natural gas was installed in the area,

Replied: 25th Apr 2022 at 14:28

Posted by: whups (8234) 

which was when ? .

Replied: 25th Apr 2022 at 15:08

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

What about my photo I uploaded been on 7 days, no one must look on was thread now

Replied: 25th Apr 2022 at 20:34

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I think gas works was still there when I left makerfield mill in 1977, so may have been after that Bri.

Replied: 25th Apr 2022 at 20:35

Posted by: whups (8234) 

my guess dav was around 1980ish .

Replied: 25th Apr 2022 at 23:58

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Late seventies same as the old church where Tom n gerry is now 1979 I say

Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 06:38

Posted by: whups (8234) 

wot was the name of the church malc ? .

Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 23:44

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Hi Bri, it was the congregational church.

Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 00:09

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i know dav just seeing if malc knew it

Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 01:17

Posted by: bambam (2487)

i remember playing in the church in 70s,it was a large building.

Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 01:48

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I know and now congregation roundThomas n gerry

Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 08:22

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I remember playing in top rize out building s and coming across a box full of war time leet bulbs navy blue colour they wer they fartherd a candle in damp sock wen lit up a wom great days

Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 12:10

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I'm going for late 77 or 78 I remember shopping for my mother when they built kwik save on the site.

Replied: 1st May 2022 at 20:04

Posted by: bambam (2487)

It seems we are all wrong guys, the church was demolished 1972 and it was waste land until kwik save was built in early 80s.

Replied: 1st May 2022 at 20:17

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I thy reet David they took some of stained glass from thi owd church n put in the new one at stubshie 1977 how times fly I worked kwik save 11 years on neets what a job

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 07:57

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

Does anyone remember all them steps ????did anyone count them.
No wonder it was empty for so long
Was a big job

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 10:01

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Hi trixie, yes I remember all the steps it must have been a struggle for the elderly back then to climb them, I also recall the steps of the old rectory school my classroom was first one as you entered don't know how miss burton got up there, good old days.

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 11:01

Posted by: PeterP (9283)

Trixie there where 12/13 steps at the front of the church

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 11:08

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I dav that why miss Burton was always a sleep wi cats

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 16:27

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Ha Ha, yes that's right Malc she would wake up and go sshh then nod off again, she was probably oldest teacher in school our Warren and Gary speakman was among her favourite pupils, maybe because they were rum ones.

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 17:53

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

Bambam If I remember right it was dark and steep going up them school stairs .
I think them church steps seemed more like 112 ????

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 18:48

Posted by: bambam (2487)

It was dark and scary trixie with that big wooden door at the top I remember mr Hughes caretaker unlocking it with the biggest key I have ever seen, I thought there was more steps to church than Peter says but 12 steps would be like walking upstairs.

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 19:55

Posted by: PeterP (9283)

Bambam there is a photo under Ashton but it is grainy so cannot make out the top step so that's why I posted 12/13 steps

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 21:04

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks Peter, I had a look at photos and yes the one with steps on ain't very clear, I'm sure I've seen a better one somewhere.

Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 22:18

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Morning dav I Warren n Gary great lads gone but never forgotten RIP who was that teacher who did tricks wi card u that I seem remember Haworth or sumert like that

Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 10:06

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I think there was two brothers Malc, Harry & jack Howarth two great blokes they ran the church & Sunday school when Harry Lowe was organist, another name was Mr Penketh who lived on Dam corner, I sure miss jelly Sundays.

Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 10:48

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

What days they were dav jelly Sunday thy couldn't move Harry Lowe he was very strict thi owd prodder its what they need now stricken ness

Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 12:38

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I can still feel the pain from Harry Lowes sausage fingers could do with him in today's schools, you wouldn't dare answer him back.

Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 13:06

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Hi 3 police men on estate n owd Harry respect then David

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 12:52

Posted by: whups (8234) 

can you remember who they were malc ? .

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 15:16

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Hi Bri, I can only remember 2 officers in police houses and I know both names, was there a third.

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 18:38

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

I think there were only 2 police houses or was there 4?
They knocked them down years ago.I’m not sure what’s there now.

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 19:03
Last edited by trixie: 4th May 2022 at 19:04:36

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Hi trixie, the only 2 I can remember we're on billinge rd facing fernlea grove, can't recall any others.

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 19:35

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Bobby fields Bobby singleton lived in police Houses they was knocked down a few years ago and thi just built two houses there in last 3 years or so the third lived in poplar avenue pc butler is lad used referee us Brian

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 21:41

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I don't know if it's true are not but I was told Ernest fields was In SAS the tail was in threw is badge on table in stute

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 21:49

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I remember first two Malc but didn't know a butler, must have been after I left estate.

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 21:51

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Lived across from joe littler

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:08

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Only remember john hurst and paddy next door, I know johns son was a policeman think his name was Gerard.

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:25

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i remember butler dav .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 00:00

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Must of been after I left in mid 80s Bri, I can't recall the name.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 00:31

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Morning David pc David Butler

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 06:31

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

Dag 27, 3 police men on estate n owd Harry respect then David

Respect, Respect , you never saw the respect all the village had for the headmaster of DG school Stan Foster G.P plus others things, even Harry Lowe, the Police, and Rector hall had to show him respect all the time. you may have seen photo's of him walking on his own on Trinity Sundays, as we got older he would say your leaving here and I don't want to see you ever again, I know for a fact 3 lads had to go in front of him in court No NAMES after leaving D.G. school

Any Dads that was at Rectory School in the 40/50s will remember him

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 07:28

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

You can just see Stan Foster, on this photo showing his respect to the young Rector Hall by walking behind and not with him, photo set to delete in 7days no one is interested these days, sorry to say we are loosing are identity as a village

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 07:54

Posted by: PeterP (9283)

Dougie I left DG in 1975 and a lot of the older generation are no longer with us. How many of the families of the late 40's -60's have relations who still live at DG It always had what we called rough families but when St Helens Council took over the reigns it became the dumping ground for even more rough families . The estate has expanded since it was 1st built and is nearly full with new houses , Houses on Leyland Green Road with plans for more ,Top of Birch Grove on the old garages plot,Where Millingfords was Slaters pen and across the road just to name a few. The modern era where neighbours don't know each other. Gone are the days neighbours used to have a natter in the street so the village feel has gone

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 08:37

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Times move on you can't stop it must of been great then Douglas cos
it was when I grew up on estate I mi man mentioned him and said he was head master then and a grand chap take care it's not same anywhere now started wi beetles all smoking there hit

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 09:51

Posted by: whups (8234) 

very few people on the estate know each other anymore . a case in typical a couple moved in next door to me around 6 mths ago & i still dont know their names ? .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 11:45

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I it looks weel when owder generations aft turn out in afternoon before all clowns bri

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 19:42

Posted by: whups (8234) 

dont you remember "bobby butler" malc ? .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 11:46

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I knew he lived on poplar avenue because Bobby singleton moved in after him is lad Andrew used ref us at football he had other lad Jonathan but who was Bobby's who lived in police Houses back then big bonny fellow was Bobby butler lived we're John simm lives or next door

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 12:37

Posted by: bambam (2487)

When I lived on estate Malc Mr & Mrs Roberts lived where john is now, they were Margaret Houghtons parents and John Hurst lived next door I remember john he worked with my uncle Maurice and Bill cunliffe driving Bin lorry around Ashton.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 12:57

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

This was be forefore them David like I said I don't remember him living theer but was told so there must have been Bobby s on outer estate and inner estate David butler is name Dougie will know

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 13:03

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Mary Houghton married joe Ball

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 13:06

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

Mary Roberts married Joe Ball from Garswood, next door attached was a Police house in the 40/50s don't remember any names of them,
Margaret Roberts, Marys sister Married David Houghton as bambam said, the two police men on Billinge Road was pellet nose and Bobby Harrison

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 20:20

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i thought his name was singleton dougie ? .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 23:55

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Was pellet nose Ernie Fields, i thought the other was singleton only Harrisons i knew lived in houses nr Dam .

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 00:11

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I've been told singleton moved in poplar avenue after butler moved out so mi thinking singleton moved in police Houses on Billinge Rd when Bobby Harrison moved out and house in poplar avenue went back to being a council house early 60s perhaps David n bri I will ask Tony fayther in law when I a
See this wik good morning by the way boys

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 07:42

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Yes good morning Malc, when we was growing up on estate it was fields & singleton on billings rd Harrison must of moved out like you say in 60s,and I never heard of bobby house in poplar Ave.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 07:48

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

No I hadn't dave but like I say Bobby butler son was a ref and he told me he was from dag and is dad was Bobby butler and they lived in pop Jeff Knowles told me to he remembered him but he couldn't think who the other Bobby must have been you lived at side of Ernie fields so Dougie says it's Bobby Harrison like a say gwynneth dad Tony served in wigan police 30 years he tells mi some belting tails when I get in guin about it all history on wigan n Ashton Pemberton was a rum place it s nice listening to all the older generation dave I will chat all day them take care pal

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 08:24

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

Just like to say 1951 when we moved from DG school at 11 years old to Ashton Secondary Modern School it was a big change from a small place like DG, the cavalry was all ready there in the form of the big lads off the estate that had made their mark as being a rough lot, they never stud up for you but everyone knew how far they could go, If a fight brock out they would croup round shouting go-on-knock-his- head-off, he'll not come again even if you loose things like the

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 12:14

Posted by: tonker (25111) 

...... front teeth?

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 14:25

Posted by: dougie (4805) 

how do you know

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 19:15

Posted by: bambam (2487)

I was 20 years at back of you dougie, 1971 I left rectory to experience exactly same as you it seemed a different world moving to a bigger school with so many different characters and bigger crowds.

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 14:42

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

I and even different world when you leave all gether David dog eat dog today

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 17:00

Posted by: whups (8234) 

but on the other hand your school days are your best & you meet & make friends for life .

Replied: 11th May 2022 at 12:36

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Hi bri bully Beeth chips n curts he he

Replied: 11th May 2022 at 12:57

Posted by: whups (8234) 

defo malc.

Replied: 11th May 2022 at 15:13

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Don't know about friends for life Bri, I ain't seen anyone after leaving school.

Replied: 11th May 2022 at 17:56

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Spike informs me that building work has started on the old village club ground Bri, have you heard owt.

Replied: 11th May 2022 at 20:05

Posted by: whups (8234) 

no iv,e not dav .

Replied: 11th May 2022 at 23:59

Posted by: bambam (2487)

His brother Dennis who I'm led to believe is a qualified surveyor has told him drilling has taken place on the site.

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 00:15

Posted by: whups (8234) 

are they looking for oil ? .

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 01:17

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

There looking for all that money bri

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 06:50

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Yes you're right Malc Bri wanted know where all money went so he best get his spade out and go join them.

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 09:25
Last edited by bambam: 12th May 2022 at 09:26:50

Posted by: whups (8234) 

it does beggar belief as to where that money is going . maybe the cops shud look into it ? .

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 11:34

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Where ever it's gone Bri I'll bet it's well spent by now.

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 12:44

Posted by: whups (8234) 

if it has dav i think there shud be court procedings started .

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 12:52

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Do you know who got money when land was sold Bri, that was a large area.

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 14:46

Posted by: whups (8234) 

i dont dav but if you can remember they got rid of a hell of a lot of members even the honourary members so there was very few members left . i know that jeff knowles was refused membership & maybe malc can ask him why that was ? .

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 15:28

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Oh yes I sense something wasn't right there, even if they owed the brewery the sale of the land would surely have covered that so maybe there is money somewhere, such a shame to think the place was always packed at weekends in my day.

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 18:21

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Owd Nev kept tell us and especially Jeff keep your membership up I was a member for a very short while but give it up club was let run down that's another reason nobody wanted bi members Jeff let he's run out and he wanted renew it but they towed dead line as gone that's it no new members and that was that Jeff fell out wi them after that and still don't see eye to eye wi his relatives to at that it's gone ney owd never said to us all u must keep your membership guin but I don't think people could bi botherd any more wi place you could go in some neets and there would bi 300 seats empty and your in somebody s seat

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 21:33

Posted by: bambam (2487)

There was always a click in there Malc even when club was packed they would always be sat in same seats, when they had good artists performing there regulars would get relatives and friends put glasses on tables early evening to save their places, does Jeff knowles still live on estate.

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 23:34

Posted by: whups (8234) 

yes he does dav & malc works with him at the hoist company at the top of landgate .

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 23:55

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks for info Bri, I never heard of that company last time I spoke to Malc he was at mabeys I think Jeff was to.

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 00:13

Posted by: whups (8234) 

jeff , malc ,sammy & wardy work there . it,s at the top of landgate brow across from brosters farm dav.

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 01:27

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Oh reet Bri, I remember smurfits being there many years ago.

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 10:52

Posted by: whups (8234) 

it,s at the back end past the coal yard dav.

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 11:49

Posted by: sammys (56) 

The money what was left was shared out to the remaining members cooperman was one he said he got 3 or 4 hundred quid

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 14:29

Posted by: whups (8234) 

they shud be procecuted sammy . that money shud have gone to a worthy cause & i think cooperman got short changed & may have been "hush money" .did jeff get owt from it , he was a member for yonks & i know they would,nt let him renew his membership ? .

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 14:34

Posted by: sammys (56) 

Jeff didn't get owt he missed by a week shiela Richardson used to remind him when they were due but think she forgot

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 14:56

Posted by: whups (8234) 

on purpose no-doubt . slimming down the membership comes to mind ? .

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 15:10

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Same thing happened at old road club Bri, I was a member when it shut down but nobody I know seen any money, it was sold to Alan Jones.

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 15:32

Posted by: whups (8234) 

why was it never looked into dav ? .

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 17:09

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Hi he does David me Jeff does 3 days a wik Sammy does 4 wardy I geet um all jobs theer wi me it's now called sunbelt

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 18:04

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Jeff lives where Dawbers lived on birch Grove dav

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 18:11

Posted by: bambam (2487)

don't know why it was'nt looked into Bri, i know they owed a lot of money to brewery but a vast amount must of been paid by Alan Jones for property makes you wonder where money went.

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 01:29

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks Malc, i know that place well John & Doreen Bryant lived there in past.

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 01:36

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Morning David they did pal I it's where thy let mi go dyn Hill in pram he he great times I wish thy was doing it ney

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 07:46

Posted by: bentlegs (4784)

Just been talking to a chap who worked at Gas works he said it,so 40 years since it closed give a month or two

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 12:39

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Aye good days Malc, I don't know how tha geet in that pram cos tha wuz a big lad.

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 12:41

Posted by: whups (8234) 

sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but seth hughes has passed away this morning . and iv,e heard jennette oxbury ( littler) has passed away last week .

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 14:27

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks for update Bri, so sad to hear about Seth had many pint with him and Nora in Bell, and poor Jeanette who I went all through school with its a really sad day to hear of their passing, may they both R.I.P and condolences to their families.

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 15:39

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

RIP seth so sorry and also Jeanette god bless

Replied: 14th May 2022 at 16:59

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Bri, do you know where Jeanette lived.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 08:08

Posted by: whups (8234) 

somewhere near the old police station in old rd dav .

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 12:00

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Thanks Bri, Dave Johnson lived at back of there at one time.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 12:13

Posted by: whups (8234) 

he might still be there dav .

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 13:14

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Iam sure Anthony Jeanette husband was from golborne I used load is dad's lorry at mabeys it's a shame but that's life boys rip

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 16:34

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

Is that Seth Hughes from stubshaw cross.he was in my year at stubshaw school before I move
To DAG

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 18:21

Posted by: whups (8234) 

yes it is marge & malc ant is from golborne .

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 19:50

Posted by: Dagutd27 (414) 

Dav there was a seth Hughes I think he was janator I remember going dyn them steps rynd back on skoo see him some times I know it wernt seth or was is name Bob Hughes iam sure he was seths uncle

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 20:54

Posted by: trixie (5043) 

Thanks Brian .

R I P Seth.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 21:26

Posted by: bambam (2487)

Malc caretaker was Seth Hughes from Rectory Rd, i think it was young Seths Father.

Replied: 16th May 2022 at 02:58

 

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