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Strike !!!!

Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

The 1970s are back with a vengeance, high inflation, high wage claims, and the Unions on the warpath.
The RMT are going on strike, and they are going to spoil the Queen's Jubilee

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61573206



Started: 24th May 2022 at 22:01

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

No Skinheads though!

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 22:08

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

I still have me Docs from the 1970s

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 22:11

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 22:18

Posted by: roylew (3579)

Wish we were back in the 1970’s…life much simpler then

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 23:00

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

I think that's an overreaction TTS. Hardly back to the times when unions had teeth. Maggie made sure of that. The working people have few or no rights these days. Even with both partners in a household working some find it difficult to make ends meet. No chance for many youngsters to get a foot on the housing ladder. Back to the days of the rich get richer and the poorest getting ever more poor. Take a look around you at the way things are for a lot of people. We are back to a soup kitchen society. As for spoiling the Queens jubilee, you sound like the government and the press using it to turn the public against any strike action. Should we always lay down and be crushed under the boot of the greedy sods who run people into the ground without a second thought. And I'm not sorry for waving the red flag.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 09:53

Posted by: basil brush (18302)

Me to, Roy.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 10:23

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

From what I have seen over the past decade or so, only Unite and the rail unions of ASLEF and the RMT are the only Unions who appeared to be fighting for their members to get better pay and conditions

As for the TUC, you no longer hear about it on the news like a few years ago. The only time I have ever heard the name of the present female General Secretary who is retiring was during the EU debate in 2016.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 10:31

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Exactly OC

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 10:35

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

roylew

I agree that things were simpler in the1970s, but I don't want to go back there.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 11:00

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Jathbee

I agree with what you say about the state of the country, and I am not anti-union, what I am saying is that the factors which caused strikes during the 1960s and 70s are back with us, with inflation increasing, so workers will want a wage which will keep up with the inflation, which if implemented, then causes prices to increase to pay for the wage increases, and so it becomes a vicious circle, and it is hard to stop, and I believe that this strike will be the first of many strikes, and I don't think that it is the fault of the Tories, if Labour were in power, then the same thing would be happening.

I don't lame folk for wanting a wage rise, which keeps up with inflation.

There is talk though, that the RMT is planning to spoil the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, by striking during the Jubilee, which if they do that, I will lose any sympathy I have for them, and I will hate them for it

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 11:19

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

The idea of a strike is to cause the maximum amount of disruption to the employers. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the industry involved, it's inevitable that the public will be caught up in this dispute.
I do understand the economic state of the country and rising wages will have a knock on effect. But the fact remains that people have financial commitments to honour and while the cost of living soars and the energy companies are making enormous profits from it, is it any wonder that people are railing against it. No pun intended.

As for the jubilee. I'm sure it will all go well regardless. There are many, many people in this country who have very little to be jubilant about.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 12:20

Posted by: fossil (7321)

I think that workers rights under British law disappeared after brexit,so the response from the government will be interesting if the strike goes ahead.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 15:11

Posted by: broady (18197) 

Over here if there is a strike that is not “ in the public interest” then the Government can enact back to work legislation. I think it was last used ten years ago when postal workers went on strike. I think it is a last resort.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 15:16

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

And so it should be. Negotiations are the best route for all involved but it doesn't always work that way.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 15:31

Posted by: ena malcup (1164) 

Once upon a time, I was a member of a union known by its acronym: ASTMS.

On TWO separate occasions, it succeeded in negotiating a pay rise which was LOWER than the opening offer presented by the employer prior to commencement of the proceedings!

(Did not remain a member for much longer)

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 15:44
Last edited by ena malcup: 25th May 2022 at 15:47:56

Posted by: Billinge Biker (1434) 

Remember the power cuts of the early 70's....I loved to go out foraging for wood to burn on our open fire.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 16:22

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

I remember the power cuts well. I lived in a high rise flat at the time 14th floor. Believe me it was no joke walking up all those stairs after work.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 16:30

Posted by: Billinge Biker (1434) 

jathbee.... bet you had calves like Arnold Schwarzenneger

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 16:57

Posted by: broady (18197) 

BB,
Now, now. Calm down.

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 17:10

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Jathbee:

"I lived in a high rise flat at the time 14th floor"

Well if that was around here, it must have been in one of the High Rises in Worsley Mesnes, because the Scholes High Rises, don't go that high

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 17:11

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 17:54

Posted by: Platty (1358)

Tonks: Have you had those since the 70s?

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 18:02

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

I've not had THIS for a long time!

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 19:09
Last edited by tonker: 25th May 2022 at 19:11:08

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

fossil

Workers Rights went long before Brexit when Thatcher was in power and when did the Labour Government under Blair and the European Union ever do anything to reverse the damage she did to the Unions and workers of this country.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 08:16

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

You are quite right OC. Thatcher did the damage to the unions begining with the miners union and the rot was let unchecked.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 08:30

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Jathbee:

"I lived in a high rise flat at the time 14th floor"

Well if that was around here, it must have been in one of the High Rises in Worsley Mesnes, because the Scholes High Rises, don't go that high

Yes indeed it was at Worsley Mesnes. Those flats are long gone, as you know. It was Masefield House. I had some great views from there
It was at a time when the flats were in decent condition. I didn't live there for very long though.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 08:37

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Jathbee

Not just the Miners but all workers who stood up for themselves against Tory Governments.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 08:41

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Jathbee

If it was around 1970, my Wife and I would have been neighbours as it was our first home after getting married!

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 08:44
Last edited by Owd Codger: 26th May 2022 at 08:49:37

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Owd Codger , the unions did a great job after the damage Thatcher inflicted and together with the EU workers rights were restored to a great extent. Brexit meant we lost all that and it’s every man for himself again.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 10:25

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

It's alright talking about the damage Margaret Thatcher did to the Unions, but how about, talking about, the damage the Unions did to the country ?

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 10:34

Posted by: riocaroni (321)

I lived on the tenth floor in Thackeray house, going home after work was no fun. All underfloor heating, electric oven and no lights. It was either salad for tea or another walk down ten floors to the chippy. I lived there for three years and loved every minute.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 10:38

Posted by: fossil (7321)

TTS go on then ,enlighten us!!

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 11:58

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Rio we lived on the 14th floor in Thackeray house,first ones in the flat in 1966. I only remember having to walk up the stairs a couple of times ,but my wife remembers doing it with a pram on a regular basis as the lifts were very unreliable at the time. Great view over Scotsman’s flash though.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 12:07

Posted by: whups (8515) 

so you would want decent people to have no rights at all 1stroke ? .when you were taxi driving did,nt you lot go on strike ? . and why do you put posts like this on here ? . is it to antagoise people ? .

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 12:25
Last edited by whups: 26th May 2022 at 12:27:14

Posted by: upthetims (6586)



Sick to death hearing about this jubilee,hers never washed or put on a nappy to one of her parasitic brood. makes me laugh when idiots say how hard she works,brainwashed cretins

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 14:18

Posted by: ena malcup (1164) 

One huge difference between now and 1970's.

In 1970's, in spite of stagflation, for the vast majority, standard of living, and real income rose.

It does not look as if that will be our experience this time.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 14:50

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Whupsy:

"and why do you put posts like this on here ? . is it to antagoise people ?"

No of course not, I have not got an antagonistic bone in my body

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 16:52

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Jathbee

Not just the Miners but all workers who stood up for themselves against Tory Governments.
That's quite true OC.
Just speaking from my own experience. Both my husband and myself were heavily involved the miners strike.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 19:34
Last edited by jathbee: 26th May 2022 at 19:36:18

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Jathbee

If it was around 1970, my Wife and I would have been neighbours as it was our first home after getting married!
Yes it was. So did you live on the 14th floor at Masefield.

Replied: 26th May 2022 at 19:48

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Jathbee

We sure did at number 79!

Did you know that in very high winds, the top of the flats moved 18 inches.

A fact borne out by our bed having moved across the bedroom when we woke up one morning.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 07:41
Last edited by Owd Codger: 27th May 2022 at 07:47:57

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

upthetims

I think you will find that your opinions about the Queen and the Royal Family are not shared by the majority of the Labour voters in the country.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 07:57
Last edited by Owd Codger: 27th May 2022 at 08:15:35

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1857)

Spot on upthetims,biggest bunch of benefit scrounge in the country

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 09:15

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 11:19

Posted by: whups (8515) 

so if you dont have an antagonistic bone in your body then why did you put a photo of margaret thatcher on the miners blog ? .

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 11:46

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

That was a long time ago, and it was a joke, it wasn't meant to offend, it was meant to add a bit of levity, to lift the doom and gloom, and make people happy.

However,,,, upon reflection, maybe it wasn't really the sort of thing which would be appreciated on a topic, frequented by ex-miners, and I must admit, that it wasn't my finest hour in doing that, and for that Whupsy, please accept my deepest and most sincere apology.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 12:59

Posted by: whups (8515) 

it wasnt a joke to everyone on that blog & it doesnt matter how long ago it was 1stroke as everyone on it condemned your supposed joke .

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 17:20

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

My late husband would turn purple with rage at the very sight of her on TV.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 17:23

Posted by: Platty (1358)

TTS: Gosh, if you were in a pub, you'd be outside in a pile of blood now.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 17:27

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

This topic isn't about Margaret Thatcher, it was supposed to be about similarities between the economic situation of the country, in the 1960s and 70s and the economic situation in the country today.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 18:51

Posted by: Platty (1358)

TTS: I know that, and I think there is a genuine discussion to be made, I won't give the reasons because I don't want to "antagonise" the thread.

However, I am amazed how people can't move on and see the threats before us.

We are now living in a one party state. The media havehelped put us there, good for them But they need to look at one party states in Africa, South America, Russia, Eastern Europe... It won't be long before they reap what they sow.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 18:58

Posted by: ena malcup (1164) 

I wish we were seeing today, the optimism and levels of aspiration, which abounded in the 1960's.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 19:02

Posted by: Platty (1358)

ena: agreed. But then, you stood on your own 2 feet, welfare was a safety net. Not now, it's a way of life.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 19:07

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Jathbee

We sure did at number 79!

Did you know that in very high winds, the top of the flats moved 18 inches.

A fact borne out by our bed having moved across the bedroom when we woke up one morning.

Mine was no. 83. So we definitely were neighbours. I did know about the flats moving in the high winds too.

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 22:51

Posted by: whups (8515) 

when you,ve been on strike for a year you find it very difficult to move on & putting a picture of thatcher on a miners blog isnt very funny .this topic started about strikes & it was for 1 purpose only , to cause arguments with people on here . now 1stroke can plead otherwise but it wont wash & people are getting wise to his antics . so if i were you 1stroke i,d wise up .

Replied: 27th May 2022 at 23:56

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Poppycock !!!!

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 00:35

Posted by: whups (8515) 

same to you with bells on .

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 01:07

Posted by: broady (18197) 

I presume Whups hit the jackpot with the TORY chancellor’s hand outs.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 06:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Tommy Two Stroke

It is all about Thatcher as she is in many ways responsible for many of the problems we now have in the country today. Two examples being as follows:-

Unions restricted in fighting for better pay and conditions for their members as a result of anti trade union laws which Labour to their shame never reversed when in power under Tory Tony.

Allowing people to buy Council properties at a low price a few years ago which are now, years later being sold at massive profits which has led to a massive house building programme of 4/5/6 bedroom houses at the expense of building lower affordable properties and no building of single story properties like bungalows for the disabled and increasing number of elderly people as there is less profit for the builders and less council tax for councils which are now run as a business.

If there is national shortage of housing, surely most of the building should be concentrated on building more affordable properties based on needs and not on big profits if the problem is to be solved, especially with an ever increasing population.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 08:27
Last edited by Owd Codger: 28th May 2022 at 08:28:34

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Owd Codger,I agree about the housing and the need for affordable properties.
I think the Unions made great progress after Thatcher and membership of the EU helped in uniform agreements.
Brexit means back to the free for all and the fight for power between the government and the unions again.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 09:47

Posted by: whups (8515) 

absolutely not broady .

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 11:50

Posted by: Platty (1358)

broady: No matter how much the taxpayer gives him, he will always want more. He should change his name to "Oliver" but he'd never say, "please". (Or "thank you").

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 12:12

Posted by: whups (8515) 

maybe your speaking with experience platty .

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 12:30

Posted by: Platty (1358)

No, Daisy. Never claimed a thing, wouldn't know how to start.

I lived in Barnsley during the miner's strike. The miners there were getting loads of dosh from redundancy and spending like there was no tomorrow. One miner chap I met in the pub one night told me he'd bought a big house, a boat, was going on two caribbean holidays that year and the taxpayer can look after him in his old age.

Btw Daisy, it's "you're".

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 13:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Platty

Whupsy used his redundancy to buy his house

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 14:05

Posted by: broady (18197) 

Obviously not under the Right to buy scheme or whatever it was called. A sound investment to buy a home with your redundancy.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 15:01

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

I agree

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 17:06

Posted by: whups (8515) 

loads of dosh . your having a laugh arnt you . the other national industries got at least 3 times more than any miner got . absolute hogwash , all of your post.

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 23:46
Last edited by whups: 28th May 2022 at 23:47:44

Posted by: whups (8515) 

1stroke how do you know wot i did or did,nt do . you bought your flat from the council did,nt you

Replied: 28th May 2022 at 23:48
Last edited by whups: 28th May 2022 at 23:49:45

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Whups.

As someone from a mining family, I fully agree with what you have said.

Loads of dosh from redundancy money you must be kidding.!

In 1992, I was made redundant at Ingersoll Rand and got sod all!

Not everybody worked for a long while at private companies like Heinz and Pilkingtons.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 00:16
Last edited by Owd Codger: 29th May 2022 at 00:25:22

Posted by: broady (18197) 

From my experience in the building trade they got the basic available. I have spoke to ex miners in bars over the years and they said the redundancy wasn’t great but the white finger and deafness bumped up their money. Some said it was the best thing for them because they got jobs in the open air.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 06:11

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

My husband, a diehard union man, wouldn't take redundancy, he moved from one pit to another until there was nowhere else to go. Then he got a job within six weeks. The redundancy money was spent on paying off the last of our mortgage, just to make sure we always had a roof over our heads. He was made redundant again after the firm went into liquidation.
He then was fortunate enough to gain employment in a local firm, which saw him through until industrial related injuries took their toll.
Where one earth this illusion of miners being made into rich men came from is beyond me.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 08:57

Posted by: whups (8515) 

i dont know of anyone getting more than £23,000 who worked in the pit for VWF & nationalised industries got well above that in fact a mate of mine worked on the water board driving the wagon & never touched a drill in his life , he got an offer of £38,000 which he refused & said he would take the next offer of £40,000 . i agree with jathbee & dont forget that the mining records were destroyed to make it very difficult for any miner to put any claim in , unlike other industries who put claims in & got everything . .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 12:29

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 12:36

Posted by: whups (8515) 

ask anyone in the pits about their records & see wot you get gaffer . and ask them how difficult it was to make a claim & i,m sure there are some on here will tell you in no uncertain circumstances . it,s well known thatcher destroyed all the records as soon as the pits shut . most miners cant provide the proof because most of their workmates have died . so that link is insignificant & furthermore ciswo is there only to give advice on claims of which it,s nigh impossible as iv,e refered to up above .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 13:05
Last edited by whups: 29th May 2022 at 13:08:42

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Whupsy

Yoo and your mates have rooined me topic

I wanted to draw comparisons, between the 1970s and now, but yoo and your cohorts, have turned it into an aunty Thatcher rant

For a start Margaret Thatcher wasn't there in the 1970s, apart from the last six months of 1979, she was really from the 1980s and what transpired during that turbulent time, and that is another story.

But the experts said a couple of years ago, at the start of the pandemic, that massive government spending and borrowing, would lead to higher interest rates, higher inflation and higher wage claims, and it would end with a massive recession

and Yoo had the cheek to call me antagonistic

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 13:26

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

What Whups says about records is correct, in respect of individual mineworkers. Claim for anything and you have to obtain statements off two co-workers to prove that you actually worked where you claim you did.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 14:26

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

If you make a claim for industrial injuries disablement benefit the Inland Revenue will provide your solicitor with your complete work history from starting work. The benefit covers both accidents and diseases arising from the workplace.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 14:53

Posted by: whups (8515) 

you cant claim because the records are expunged & your only proof is the people you worked with . how can you get any claim thru when your workmates are deceased . your wrong gaffer & if other people who worked in the industry are telling you this why are you carrying on with a nonsensical argument ? .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 15:36

Posted by: whups (8515) 

1stroke you,ve ruined enough in the past & i refer you to the thatcher pic you put on the miners blog .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 15:37

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

What you don't realise, Gaffer, is that me and Whups (to some extent, laaaaike! ) know what we're talking about because we can speak first-hand about the industry and what went on within it.

Let me explain - A man is employed by the N.C.B..
His name and Ni number are recorded and that makes it easy to prove that he was employed by the N.C.B. for whatever length of time.
But, that is hardly a "complete work history",
Where did he work? What job did he do? There's no record of that.
Many men worked very hard. A lot did nothing.
One man could've sat, all day, in fresh air and silence, operating a switch when need-be. Another could've spent all day drilling holes in rock, in thick dust and extreme noise. It's clear which man should be entitled to vibration white finger / deafness / chest complaint compensation. Although, to qualify, he would have to prove, by means of witness co-workers, that his work entailed what he claims it entailed. This is because there's no record kept of what you actually did, other than in the minds of those who were there!
Nearly two thousand men worked at Parkside Colliery at one point. Once you crossed the entrance line, no-one knew where you went, or what you did. Some even clocked on and went fishing, coming back later to clock off.

I was employed by the N.C.B., at Parkside, for 11 years. I had 18 months off due to head injury. When I went back, they had no record of me being employed there. They sent me back home for a further three months, "whi' wi' sort thee aight, reet"!
That's how shit the place was.
After I'd been left ten years or so, I got a letter off the union regarding compensation payments for deafness, white finger and chest complaints.
Deafness, no problem, I got a small payout for being deaf (even though I wasn't deaf!). Vibration white finger? No chance! I had to have witness statements off two co-workers stating that I'd used vibrating tools and couldn't get them. Nowt up with my chest either.
Eventually, I finished, on pension, due to the head injuries I'd previously had.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 15:46

Posted by: whups (8515) 

i was the latter tonker & always in the return airways . drilling was,nt just the part of my job & did nothing but hand ball all day . but when the road lifted we had to drill as best we could with an air drill from the air range. but tonker your wasting your time with this guy coz all he does is put dodgy so-called "facts" up all of which are sterile at best & that link he,s put up you have to question when it was published ? . he,s never worked in any pit & it,s obvious he doesnt know wot went on with thatcher . in my case i was at golborne for between 14-15 yrs .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 15:59

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1857)

One stroke comes across as a very petty bitter man

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 16:26

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Handsomeminer

So I put a picture on the mining topic of Margaret Thatcher, and I am the worst person in the world, unforgivable, but I have a moan about me topic being hijacked by miners, and I am a very petty bitter man.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 16:36

Posted by: whups (8515) 

yes you are & it is unforgivable .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 17:21

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1857)

I didn't say you was the worst person in the world you are a bitter petty nobody

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 18:28

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 18:40

Posted by: Platty (1358)

TTS: The intelligent ones still listen and look out for you!

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 20:24

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1857)

Isn't it funny how cranks attract cranks

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 22:57

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 23:09

Posted by: whups (8515) 

that discounts quite a few on here .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 23:45

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Miners and their next of kin who got payments as a result of illnesses and injuries sustained underground deserved every penny for what what they or their Fathers endured in the course of their job.

My Father-In-Law was injured in a pit fall and only lived because he was so big and strong and two Uncles who got coal dust on their lungs.

If some think that Miners and their relatives have received some easy money, I suggest they pay a visit to the Mining Museum near Wakefield and go underground and find out what a hard live it was in terrible working conditions.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 08:09
Last edited by Owd Codger: 30th May 2022 at 08:12:00

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

My dad also worked in the mines and was brought down by pneumoconiosis, caused by coal dust in his lungs, as many others of his age did. His brother had his back broken in a roof collapse too. And a friend of my husband had his leg severed by a runaway truck. So it was indeed a very dangerous job.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 08:52

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Notice how quiet it has gone since some facts about the reality of life of a Miner have been revealed.

Many of the younger generation of today have not got a clue about what life was about for many people in the past!

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 07:31

Posted by: whups (8515) 

it wont be quiet for long ? .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 12:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

I wish yoo had stuck to the topic

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 13:24

Posted by: whups (8515) 

no diffrence to you with other topics .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 14:32

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Poppycock !!!!

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 15:37

Posted by: whups (8515) 

you know it,s true .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 17:19

Posted by: tonker (25273) 

Straaaaike, laaaaike !

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 18:27

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Back to topic then. I have heard nothing more about the RMT going on strike. So perhaps we remain firmly in the past with the trend towards some people being plunged even further into poverty and the erosion of workers rights. What say you TTS?

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 07:36

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

Mick Lynch the general secretary of the RMT was on channel 4’s Andrew Neil show on Sunday. He confirmed that the strike will go ahead.
There have been no changes to UK worker’s rights since Brexit.

Acas

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 08:54

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

If around 89% of a Union membership today are prepared to take industrial action in spite of the present anti trade union laws imposed by the Tory Establishment, it only shows the discontentment by its members about the way their incomes are falling behind inflation in the price of food, fuel and energy.

Instead of calling them, people should be supporting them by taking to the streets in mass protests against how we are being ripped of by businesses and organisations!

Or are we now become too apathetic to care about how we are being ripped off?

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 09:15

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

Owd Codger

The planned strike has more to do with job security than wages. Working from home has reduced rail usage by about 25%, particularly in London and the south east.
The tube drivers, basic wage £55k, £70 to £80 k with overtime and other benefits are concerned about the introduction of driverless trains.
The rank and file RMT members are concerned about redundancy should working from home continue to reduce the need for railway capacity.
The government spent £16 billion on Covid support for the railways. Unless passenger numbers get back to pre Covid levels it is likely the further government support will be insufficient to maintain the existing number of railway workers.
The key to successful strike action will depend on the RMT getting the signal men to strike.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 10:48

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

Owd Codger

The planned strike has more to do with job security than wages. Working from home has reduced rail usage by about 25%, particularly in London and the south east.
The tube drivers, basic wage £55k, £70 to £80 k with overtime and other benefits are concerned about the introduction of driverless trains.
The rank and file RMT members are concerned about redundancy should working from home continue to reduce the need for railway capacity.
The government spent £16 billion on Covid support for the railways. Unless passenger numbers get back to pre Covid levels it is likely the further government support will be insufficient to maintain the existing number of railway workers.
The key to successful strike action will depend on the RMT getting the signal men to strike.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 10:48

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Thank you for that info Gaffer

Jathbee

Things are definitely going downhill in this country at the moment, and the question is why ?

Folk tend to apportion the blame, to whichever reason suits them best, instead of finding the 'real' reason or reasons why these miserable things are happening in this country.

I think it is a combination of Brexit, Covid-19 and the Ukraine War, and the associated problems that those three things have caused, that is my opinion, as to why the poverty in this country is getting worse.

So Jathbee, you talk about the "the erosion of workers rights" well the RMT still have the right to go on strike, so why do you and others talk about the erosion of workers rights, and the demise of Union power, what was actually done to the Unions, which you didn't like being done ?

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 13:17

Posted by: whups (8515) 

it,s wot you voted for.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 14:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

Tommy Two Stoke

The country was going downhill long before Brexit, Covid-19 and the Ukraine War and both the Tories and Labour are a lot to blame for it, as both parties live in fear of losing votes at election time which will put them out of power and in many cases, a lucrative well paid position as a MP.

As for poverty, how many of those claiming it are now getting state benefits which in many cases is more that some are getting doing a mundane low pay minimum wage job.

If anything has lower the standard of living, it has been the introduction of the cheap labour policy of the minimum wage which has brought wages down for many and given no incentive for people to work for a living unless it is in a well paid job which are going less as more wage saving schemes and automation is introduced.

Granted, it was a good thing for those who were working in a farmers field or a sweat shop for a couple of pounds per hour which at the time was estimated at around 250,000. Now that figure has more than doubled with the result that there is now no incentive to work as shown by the fact that for the first time since records began, there are now more job vacancies than unemployed.

Goodness knows, how many claiming poverty today would have gone prior to the sixties when the benefit system was nothing like what it is now or even before the second world war, when there was no benefit system at all.

If poverty is so bad, why are people from all over the world risking their lives to get into our country.

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 08:06
Last edited by Owd Codger: 2nd Jun 2022 at 08:20:52

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

The line of poverty has changed from post wartime levels when people suffered from all kinds of diseases caused by malnutrition, like rickets.
People's expectations of what is sufficient to keep children fed to a healthy level is different to those of the late fifties and early sixties.
The people who are fighting to get here from other countries don't have those expectations in their own countries, hence scramble to get here.

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 09:12

Posted by: fossil (7321)

Spot on Jathbee , expectations of what people are supposed to be conform to is totally different these days. They are told how to eat,what to eat,and it must be a nightmare for young parents these days. Kitting kids out for school must be a nightmare and buying a property for young people is confined to the ones at the top of the wage league.

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 09:29

Posted by: jathbee (11349)

Exactly Fossil

Replied: 2nd Jun 2022 at 09:56

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

So where are so many who are not at the top of the wages ladder getting the money from to buy the more expensive houses which are being built at the expense of affordable houses and no single ground floor properties for the increasing elderly population?

Replied: 3rd Jun 2022 at 07:15

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)


today's front page

LINK

"The 1970s are back with a vengeance, high inflation, high wage claims, and the Unions on the warpath"

I posted that on the 24th May, which was some six weeks ago, it was not meant to offend anyone, it was a conversation starter, about what I could see starting to happen

And I was abused about it

That Whupsy hasn't spoke to me since, and Handsome miner says that I am a gobshite

All I will say is "Don't shoot the Messenger" yoo heard it here first.

From me ............

Replied: 20th Jun 2022 at 14:10

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

And in the meantime, Directors, Chief Executives and other top management, politicians even newspaper editors continue to get bigger pay rises which increase inflation, but the cheeky sods always blame those in ordinary jobs.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 00:22

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Such is life unfortunately, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer

But looking at this rail strike which began today, to me it is obvious that this strike is mainly 'political' and I think it is the government who are making it political, because they are banging on about outdated working practises which need reforming, which in other words means that the government want to get rid of an awful lot of rail workers, and this is what this is all about, the government have already said that they want every single railway ticket office closed in the country, and replaced by ticket machines, and so I think that the government are chomping at the bit to have a go at the unions, and vice versa, the unions are wanting to have a go at the government.

But I don't know if we are back in the 1970s or are we back in the 1980s

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 10:30

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

TTS

The bosses are overpaid and some of the workers are underpaid. However, the sticking point is over a guarantee of no redundancies for RMT staff.
One of the so called outdated practices is the refusal to allow automated trains on the underground for reasons of safety . The Docklands light railway, opened in 1987, has run automated trains from the outset.
Across the channel the Lille Metro has been driverless since it opened in 1983.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 11:23

Posted by: whups (8515) 

yes stick it to the workers . typical tory ploy.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 11:37

Posted by: peter israel (1232) 

it seem the way the UK is going all online and cutting staff to the minimum
So if you have a problem with your railway ticket or drunken people on the train or you lose something etc you will have a number to call!! and we all know what happens then! no one will answer you .....
And then when some one is robbed or murdered god forbid no one will take reasonability

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 11:49

Posted by: Gerry Attrick (29)

The first line of your post T2S is from a song by Leonard Cohen, so I suppose we're back in the *70s.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 13:54

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Gerry Attrick

I know it is a common saying, but I didn't know it was from a song

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 14:01

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

gaffer

Well I think that you and Peter Israel have put the two sides of the argument, the overmanning in the industry, versus the safety aspects of having driverless trains and unmanned stations.

I mean it is OK to put CCTV cameras everywhere, in the trains, trackside, and on the stations etc, and maybe an operator can see if someone is being attacked, or are very ill, but if the police, ambulance fire service are called immediately, the police won't turn up for about three hours, the ambulance even longer, and even the fire service has faced cut backs in recent years, so what do you do ?

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 14:17

Posted by: whups (8515) 

ditch this bunch of fools get labour in charge & get more staff .

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 14:51

Posted by: gaffer (7103) 

TTS

I don't believe unmanned stations will ever be a reality. The tube system handles 5 5 million passenger journeys per day. They're entitled to a reliable regular service considering the cost of it.
If you were sat in the Cabinet room as Trasport Secretary you would be frustrated whenever the tube drivers stopped the service and would be clamouring for automated trains on routes where they can be used.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 15:00

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

They have employed more staff whups.But not where they are needed most.
In Shapps dept for transport alone,1,005 people work ,
"Within the rail directorates ".
Not running or managing trains, but breathing down the neck of those who do.
In other words more and more bureaucracy while the ones at the coal face do the graft .

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 15:17

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

grimshaw said:

"while the ones at the coal face do the graft"

So are yoo saying that the only ones working in the pit, were the coal face workers ?

What about everyone else who worked in the pit, did none of them do any work ?

When Tonker worked in't pit, was he sat on his backside all day ?

It was a joint effort to get the coal out of the seam, and into the power station boiler, steam railway locomotive, into the domestic coal bunkers, gasworks, and every other industry which used coal.

That is why it was called King Coal LINK

So come on grimshaw, how about showing some respect, instead of being a left wing turd

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 16:08

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

Are you thick or what you bellend wobbler .?
Correction .
A right wing bellend wobbler .

A typical saddo.

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 19:07

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Replied: 21st Jun 2022 at 22:35

Posted by: Platty (1358)

TTS: I think the points raised in your post were too difficult for him to answer.

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 08:08

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

Hello .
Another right wing knob wobbler appears .
Keep taking your medication .

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 12:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9715)

Aye, well grimshaw, yoo certainly have a way with words

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 14:00

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

Nice of you to say .
What a star you are .
I am truly honoured..

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 14:18

Posted by: Platty (1358)

"Right wing knob wobbler". Reminds me, I must fix that kitchen handle.

Always funny, if you don't share the same view you're right wing, left wing, softy liberal, suffer from ism or phobia, or a lunatic.

Shuts the conversation down, shows those up unable to express their view.

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 14:47

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

The tories love your sort.
Dumb and blind and follow the Tory lies .
How very very sad .

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 16:26

Posted by: Platty (1358)

Grim (most apt) shaw: How wrong you are, but you'd never admit it.

Replied: 22nd Jun 2022 at 18:11

Posted by: Owd Codger (796)

A pity that many other workers have not got the guts to take on employers these days like the public transport unions.

As a result of the anti trade laws introduce by Thatcher and the Tories, the period since 1984, it has resulted in workers losing many of the pay and conditions that were gained over a century of fighting for a better lifestyle, especially since the introduction of the minimum wage which has led to a cheap labour economy and a constant turn over of labour in many jobs and industries.

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 09:28

Posted by: grimshaw (3320) 

Not often i can concur with you dodger but i can readily re your last post .

Replied: 23rd Jun 2022 at 12:25

 

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