Brexit

If we voted to leave , why did OUR elected MP not progress our wish to leave majority , Why bother if the elected rep just go their own way

Whether you agree with her or not, she must believe she is doing the best thing for the majority of her constituents, why else? She must know it will probably mean her job at the next election. I won't be voting for Labour at the soon coming election, but not because of her, because of Corbyn! I have always voted Labour in the passed, and I am not in favour of the EU either. But I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.

Because her masters are in Brussels not Wigan.

Still, I'm sure there are still enough cattle to vote her in

Well they will not be getting my support next time either, Labour have lost touch with the rank and file who put them in power .

that is the arrogance , her constituents voted to leave , she has determined to do the opposite. Boot her OUT

Vote for me and I'll set you free!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-reesmogg-lambasted-for-contemptuous-body-language-as-he-reclines-in-seat-during-brexit-debate-a4228367.html

gazzer, I agree with you, Labour has lost its way with Corbyn. I don't know who to vote for now, I will probably go with the Greens, I believe you must vote because I always told mi mam "if you don't vote mam you lose the right to moan about the outcome".

corbyn a Stallinst from way back Should not be in the party An out and out Communist

Good on JRM, they are contemptable, none more so than our own Lisa Nandy.
She has just kicked 104,331 Wiganers in the privates.

Leave: 104,331 63.9%

Remain: 58,94 36.1%

Labour doesn't work for the common man anymore, the Labour leaders and councillors are far to used to the good pay high lifestyle.

I agree terry

Corbyn is the biggest hypocrite this country has ever seen, the man is an embarrassment to this nation.

Spot on Terry W

Not to mention the Brexit result ., Best of 3 maybe or just keep voting till it goes in their favour and keeps the gravy train running for them.

corbyn is a rabid eurosceptic ,but his in charge of the monster raving loony party.paying near 14 billion pounds per annum into a cesspit is not good business sense ,nor for that matter over £100 billion for getting to manchester from london 25 minutes earlier good sense.still when have most politicos shown any sense.
the green party would have everyone cycling everywhere ,the soppies (lid dems) are just plain stupid,plaid cymru and the scots nationalists think they can stand on their own two feet ,without going cap in hand to westminster for a bailout.
does not leave much room for manoeuvre.
i will leave the irish situation alone far to complex an issue.

Effin Ell Baker Boy!! That's an incredibly deranged rant even by your standards!!

Roll on the election

Who typed that for him

If we do have a snap general election, the Conservative party should not field a candidate in Wigan

This will give the Brexit party a fighting chance against Nandy and her Trotsky comrades

Johnson and Farage will get together and form a non aggression pact,
Cons have no chance in Wigan but the Brexit party is a different story

cordyline spot on

I would vote for that

Apparently Lisa Nandy has said she is worried that she might lose her seat at the next General Election, because the high Leave turnout in Wigan, may turn against her at the next General Election, but I can never envisage that Wigan will vote in another MP from a different Party, but Labour will certainly get their majority slashed ....

I fancy having a go at this

https://www.omrlp.com/

I would love to stand as the official candidate for the Wigan Constituency ....

With the sole intention of cheering everyone up, inclooding meself

I know they have a national manifesto, but I would tag on a local manifesto just for Wigan, which I would put forward to the government for consideration

We need to be out of the EU and away from being dictated to by these people, we are like puppets dancing to their ever increasing mad rules they say we must live by. Our borders are open to all and sundry and we have almost no control over who enters Britain from Europe because the European Commission and the European Court of Justice say by being in the EU we must allow free movement of people and not forgetting the idiotic Schengen area EU passport farce that they say don't need to be checked if you have an EU passport, so enter the terrorists at free will who go fighting abroad to return here. The EU stinks and is rotten to the core and is undermining our security. No doubt we would still work with them on terrorism and crime the same as we do with our best ally the USA. For these reasons I want out.

Mention the Labour party on this sight and its the same half dozen who get hot and bothered,

Because they can see them for what they are.

I voted back in 1973? in favour of the 'Common Market', which at that time was a good deal.. But it moved on from 'Common Market ' to what it is now..how did that happen ?

There was a vote to remain or leave.. the votes said leave, so why are they having more and more votes on it.. It should have been a done deal after the first vote. So leave...

No one knew this when they voted
FCO 30/1048

Ted Heath took us into the then EEC on the 1stJanuary 1973 and there was a lot of bother about it, because folk said that he should have had a referendum about it, and then as a result of joining the EEC and the being part of the Common Agricultural Policy, prices shot up, which upset people even more, so Harold of the Labour Party and Soviet Spy, he promised a referendum on continued membership of the EEC if he was elected to power, which he was in 1974 when the miners brought down the Conservative Heath Government, and this was whupsies finest hour

After another election in October 1974 to get a majority, Harold of the Labour Party and Soviet Union puppet, he held a referendum in June 1975 on continued membership of the EEC

At the time I was too young to vote, but I was studying 'O' Level Government & Politics, so I had an interest in politics, and I was in favour of remaining in the EEC because It seemed to be the future of things to come, because it was mooted then that in the future you would be able to travel to countries within the EEC without the need for a passport, and you would also be able to live and work in the EEC, without the need for any type of permit, so it sounded exciting, and I thought that people who wanted to leave the EEC were owd fuddy duddys, and now I am an owd fuddy duddy

stacker nowt deranged about the truth ,say what you want ,you cannot get past the truth.what i posted is reality.

Thank you ZS and TTS...Back in the 1970s when I came over here, phone calls to England were really expensive, so could only call home once a month.. There was no internet, etc, plus I was adjusting to a new way of life, so I really lost touch with what was going on back in the UK..

sorry stacker did not notice you play on the left wing.

so lets all act like boris johnson & act like a dictator & disregard every protocol & democracy . then after trying to forced his own MPs to vote his way with deselection ,then sack them . mind you the torys dont believe in democracy do they .

Was the referendum not democracy at its best?

I thought The Referendum was Democratic.

think again cindy thats why they wont let us leave

What was the point in voting When Our M.P. Didnt Do what We voted for, One thing for sure She Wont Get My Vote At The Election.

nor mine,im in mzz forogue,s constituency and she aint getting my vote,or for that matter incredibly my wife (dyed in the wool red,s)vote.if my wife can become so dismayed at labour,s antics ,the writing is on the wall.

MPs are representatives of their constituents, not delegates.

They do not have to vote for what the majority of their constituents want.

If their constituents do not like this, they have the option to vote for someone else at the next election. That is the democratic system we have.

if it was democratic then why did,nt the 16-18s get a vote ?

whups the same reason they cant buy a pint and you know damn well under 18s have never BLOODY voted so why now?

wigandiver this democracy you speak of why is it not afforded to the 17.4 million who voted with no mention of needing a deal?

you can die for your country but you cant vote on your future . dont forget that those 16-18s are now old enough to vote & i,m sure they will give it to those who did,nt want them to vote & your wrong about buying a pint as they can buy a pint of orange.

“ give it to those who didn’t want them to vote” Surely that would cover every government formed. I think they can currently register to vote at 16 but not vote until they are 18. It is also my understanding that you can join the British Army at 16 but cannot be sent to a war zone until you turn 18. So the phrase about being killed but not voting would seem to be incorrect.

broady i dont know if the rules have changed but the youngest person killed in the falklands was 17

That was according to the MOD website. Will re-check.

was he an argie

LG,
You are correct but maybe the rules of engagement have changed since then. I have just read a couple more sites that say you can’t be sent to a war zone until you are 18.

mr corbyn has a logo that say,'s all the people.an interesting slogan ,bullshit, yes but interesting all the same.
this refers to middle class degree holders in sociology etc,privately educated that now flood the opposition benches in westminster.

broady i know when there was 1st talk of women joining the infantry they had to be 18 to go war so perhaps the rule changed then..

Vote Tory

Quite right too FM

there,s been a piece in the paper last week on 16yr olds filling the gaps in war zones because of the shortage of regular soldiers due to cuts ? .wrong again broady.

the world's leading democratic party,if your confused its the


LABOUR PARTY,the peoples (workers party)ignore their voters wishes and go their own sweet way perhaps the people should do the same and abandon them.
when all is said and done the vast majority of supposed labour supporters voted brexit and the very large majority of labour MP'S voted remain ,where does thst leave one the labour party and two its supposed supporters.

UP THE CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE ?

I had left the UK for the sunny shores of Australia before the UK joined the EU as it is nw. I have watcched the antics of late and I am so glad I am here in OZ

the torys - overturned a democratic vote by fylde council & people of little plumpton to allow fracking when they voted not to have it . the last 9yrs we have had the WORST governments in living memory bar none.and that bus only turns right .

Whups, Would you mind posting a link to it please.n

Broady

It was just like any other planning application.
The Council rejected the Cuadrilla application for fracking.
The Company appealed the decision.
There was a public enquiry.
The Inspector recommended the Cuadrilla scheme should go ahead.
The Council put in an appeal to the High Court In Manchester.
The judge rejected the appeal.

Sorry Gaffer I meant using Under 18’s in a war zone as it is against international law. The Army admired it happened some ten or twelve years ago but I can’t find anything recently.

Broady

Is this what your looking for?

https://www.child-soldiers.org/shop/letter-from-uk-minister-of-defence-regarding-deployment-of-under-18s-on-combat-operations-1

"wigandiver this democracy you speak of why is it not afforded to the 17.4 million who voted with no mention of needing a deal?"

Plenty of statements that a deal would be easy by the leave factions: no mention of no deal anywhere.

I may decide to leave the top storey of a building, but I'm not too keen on the suggestion of jumping off without a parachute.

The UK is NOT in the Schengen agreement, so there is no free movement. Yet more false propaganda.

Documents can be checked, (if they are not; blame the UK government), and people refused entry.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=schengen

There was a deal, but the ERG and the DUP would not accept it. Fact.

"British Army soldiers can sign up at the age of 16 but they cannot be sent to fight in a war zone or engage in a hostile situation until the age of 18."

Gaffer, That is the link where the MOD admitted that a few 17 year olds were sent to Iraq back in 2007 I think it was. The above is all over the internet.

I never stated that this country was in the Schengen agreement. What I was saying is that the countries in the Schengen areas do not do checks on anyone with an EU passport, it is forbidden to do so under EU laws. So the terrorists who want to return to Britain find it much easier because they do not need to go through a single border control once they get to Greece then reaching the English channel.

No false propaganda.

wigandiver during the referendum and the run up to it not one person said it was dependent on getting a deal the options were leave or remain please show me were it said a deal would be needed in 2016?

Any person entering this country can have their passport, or ID checked. If they are persona non grata, they can be refused entry. Fact not fiction.

Many promises were made on trade. No mention of no deal at all.
Look at Liam Fox's here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-liam-fox-will-break-promise-to-sign-40-trade-deals-the-second-after-leaving-2019-1?r=US&IR=T

https://www.businessinsider.com/liam-fox-promises-to-sign-40-free-trade-deals-the-second-after-brexit-2017-10?r=US&IR=T

Trade deals done: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842
Not exactly big trade partners.

The EU recently signed a deal with Japan, (ten years to do), but if the UK leaves, the UK will not be in it.
The same with the recent deal with the big South American countries. These trade deals are not as easy as Johnson and his cronies would have people believe.

Even Johnson's brother doesn't believe in him by resigning, and neither do the Conservative MPs expelled from the party.

This is about democracy not opinions everyone has an opinion

i asked show me were leaving was dependent on having a deal was said, you can't because nobody ever said we will only come out with a deal in 2016..it was leave or remain no conditions were ever mentioned why wont you accept that?

But a lot was said about how easy it would be to make trade deals. Inference: we would leave with a deal.

inference: a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.

Show me where leaving without a deal WAS mentioned.
Never, so why should we leave without a deal, and why should I believe it was the presumed intention.

You may be swayed by emotion, but what about some facts:

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/exiting-the-european-union-committee/news-parliament-2017/consequences-no-deal-business-report-published-17-19/

Does not make for good reading for the future of my kids and grand kids.

"Any person entering this country can have their passport, or ID checked. If they are persona non grata, they can be refused entry. Fact not fiction."

Of course they can, no one has suggested otherwise. Besides when they return they notify the authorities that they are terrorists and have been on holiday with ISIS don't they?

Which club would you rather be in

whups
the obtaining of essential fuel supplies should be uppermost in the governments thinking,why on earth would you allow your security to be based on a deal with putins russia.
that is the reality of that situation.
bet the people of the fylde would be up in arms this winter if the where freezing to april next year.

I do not think any person in the UK or the EU has any idea what will happen if we remain,leave,have a deal or no deal.It is all a big guess,

mmm,but its better than being held to ransom.

So just to recap on the fracking. The Tory controlled council rejected the proposal. The company appealed the decision and there was a Public Inquiry. The Inspector ruled in favour of the company.The Tory Council then appealed that decision to the High Court in Manchester and the judge overturned the appeal. I don't understand how the Tory Council can be at fault. The independent Judiciary made the final decision.

Zanzibar Spangles,
The the club that gives us greater negotiating clout.
The EU.

Otherwise we are billy no mates, on our jack jones, and prey to the likes of Trump.
Long time since the UK held the upper hand in negotiations.

Enjoy your weekend. We are off for a break.

a break in europe ?


the club that gives us greater negotiating clout,,
with what may i ask,,we do as we are bloody well told to do,the gospel according to brussels.
who are we billy good mates with within europe ?.
absolutely amazed with that post.

their decision was to have no fracking & the business minister who was then sajid javid overturned their democratic vote . broady you live in a country who sell all their gas to the asian market because they can get $ 17 a therm , they wont sell it to the canadian government @ $ 2 . we wont see any of that fracking gas.and the council in question was,nt tory & it did,nt go to anybody other than javid as he had the final decision.

Get someone to show you how to use Google and check out how Fylde Council is made up. Time you started backing up your outlandish statements. I’ll check the gas out.

Broady

Here's the fracking timeline. Note the planning officer for Lancashire County Council recommended approval after Cuadrilla installed acoustic barriers.

By the way the gas accusation is a load of hogwash.
The gas fiels are located in the West of Canada but 70% of the population live in the Eastern side of Canada. There isn't any pipeline capacity to transport the gas from West to East and as a consequence the American exports of gas to Eastern Canada are growing.Furthermore gas accounts for only 10% of electricity generation in Canada with hydro electricity taking 60%.

Gas

Gaffer,
At present there is almost no pipeline construction for various reasons. A mixture of politics, environmentalists and indigenous people. In Alberta we are sat on lots of oil but no way to move it either way. Hopefully the Trans Mountain Pipeline will commence construction soon. This is to take oil from Alberta to the west coast. Fingers crossed.

the company rep for the gas said on TV that there,s no gas being sold to the canadian government because they can get $17 a therm for it in the asian market .check that out or watch the dvd gasland .

Made in 2010???? Very up to date.

close enough for some broady.