Brexit Day: 5th Anniversary

Tomorrow, it will be five years since we left the European Union

Are you sure we have left

I don't understand politics because, Boris got us out of Euro and we were doin aw reet but folks were't happy and shoved Kier Stormer on us and now we are worse off and he's telling we are better off,
I was browt up to do bawt and now I'm a pensioner, I have to do bawt my Winter fuel allowance,
I wish Donald Trump would come over here and sort the UK out,

tom plum

Are you saying that we should also have a strong even if a unpopular politician as our leader to get things done in our country?

From what I have seen since the war, we have never had one since the time of Winston and Clement!

Owd codger, and how many young men did he sacrifice in pursuit of his own greatness?

Lord Sugar, "The biggest disaster in my lifetime was us leaving the European Union"

"The full ramifications of us not being in the EU are starting to take it's toll"

"If I was Prime Minister, I would be coming along on my bended knees asking to be let back in"

"It's all to do with trade, free trade, small traders can't ship abroad now, it's complicated. It's a terrible situation"

"How do we get out of it? Get back in the EU"

Shurup yoo stupid fox

I am sick of asking this question to the folk who still think that we should have stayed in the EU.

"If we had never left the EU, and there had never been a campaign to leave the EU, no referendum, none of it, then how 'today' would this country be better off ????????????????

So go on, instead of saying nowt, say how we would have been better off now.

Would food be cheaper ?
Would gas and electric be cheaper ?
Would petrol and diesel be cheaper ?
Would we be paying less tax ?

According to several reports the uk financial sector in uk lost trillions they moved the businesses over to europe also the cost of a container goods is now nearer to £10.000 so what happened to the free trade. it boils down to the working man and there familys and pensioners losing out and being lied to
thats the reason we on our knees now

Surfer Tom

London is ranked as the second most important financial centre after New York. The first EU entry is Frankfurt in 10th place.
Is your container example 20 feet or 40 feet and where is it going from and where to?

In 2019 the EU accounted for 52% of UK imports and 42% of UK exports. The figures for 2024 are similar.

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (6904)

Shurup yoo stupid fox

that's what Alan Sugar said, I would rather listen to him than a ten-a-penny taxi driver

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (6904)
"I am sick of asking this question to the folk who still think that we should have stayed in the EU then how 'today' would this country be better off"

It's been explained on numerous occasions to you, but somehow you can't / won't take it in.
Where are these 40 new hospitals that were promised with all the money we would save by exiting the EU?

I'll await your usual scapegoat for the state of the country , covid .

The container shipping costs have rocketed for goods coming in by sea from places like China, not France, as regards the Financial Markets, Gaffer has said what is happening.

Cheshire Puss:

"I'll await your usual scapegoat for the state of the country , covid"

But my question is about 'Brexit' and is 'specific' to how Brexit has effected this country, not Covid, and I think it is a simple question too, so try giving a simple answer, it is not me using Covid has an excuse for a poor Brexit outcome, it is you using Covid to say what ? "if it wasn't for Covid this country would be a lot worse off because of Brexit"

Yer puddled .....

Cheshire Puss & other remainers

I will help you out, by quoting this article released today from the BBC, about the effects of Brexit.

LINK

the premise of a clean brexit was great.but the tories did not negotiate the leaving deal.they surrendered the bloody country,and the whole of our fishing along with it

overall the brexit vote has had a substantial impact
on the uk stock market underperformed a decline in companies and reduced liquidity and brexit has left a
long shadow for the next few vears

Tommy39 - December 2024, when the Labour Party was trying their hand at controlling the UK government ......

"The European Council has approved an agreement reached with the United Kingdom on fishing opportunities ....... The agreement secures the fishing rights of EU fishers in the Atlantic and the North Sea for 2025 and its timely conclusion will ensure stability and certainty for EU fishers and the industry.

"I welcome the agreement we reached with the United Kingdom, which gives certainty to the sector for the coming year and secures economically important fishing opportunities for our fishers. ....."

Says Istvan Nagy, the Hungarian Minister for Agriculture.!

Posted by: a proud latics supporte
"But my question is about 'Brexit' and is 'specific' to how Brexit has effected this country"

It's affected, by the way

We have lost a lot of fishing rights.

We have lost a lot of EU work-related migrants who were paying into our economy and have since returned back to their own country.
The lower skilled sector jobs have been badly affected with job vacancies available, but no one to fill them.

Immigration has gone through the roof since Brexit. So much for Britain taking back control of its borders, as was the brexit slogan!

No 40 new hospitals that were promised with the money saved by leaving the EU.

And to add insult to the leave voters, it cost us over £30 BILLION pounds for the privilege of leaving

Over to you ,Mr Oldham.
Are you better off post brexit?

winston churchill was a stong advocate of
united europe he his known to be one of the founder members and he wanted the uk to be the heart of it

Cheshire Puss

You are not answering the question, you are deflecting the question, with another question, it's a simple question, try answering it

Daily Express

quote:

"Brexiteers have been proven completely right - and one EU country proves it"

"Freed from the EU Britain’s economy, while still depressingly snail-like, is still faring better than most other European countries and indeed that of Germany, once supposedly the economic powerhouse of the EU, which has now contracted for two years in a row. Additionally, and as the government never misses an opportunity to remind us, we are deemed the second most attractive country for businesses to invest in and it’s little surprise the top spot is not to be found in Europe"

LINK

Mr Oldham.

Initially you quoted the BBC link. That didn't do you any favours so you proceeded to quote a Daily express link, which happens to be a tory supporting paper. God loves a trier

We have lost a lot of EU work-related migrants who were paying into our economy and have since returned back to their own country.
The lower skilled sector jobs have been badly affected with job vacancies available, but no one to fill them.

Immigration has gone through the roof since Brexit. So much for Britain taking back control of its borders, as was the brexit slogan!

No 40 new hospitals that were promised with the money saved by leaving the EU.

And to add insult to the leave voters, it cost us over £30 BILLION pounds for the privilege of leaving

No questions up there, only answers
Even you will understand that!

" it cost us over £30 BILLION pounds for the privilege of leaving" - and some have said it'll be £50 billion as we're going to carry on paying for it until 2065.
UK assets in Europe are not guaranteed either.

So, how many hospitals could have been built with that £? billions? A hospital is a bit like a Bentley Continental GT. You can easily buy one, no bother, but running it is another matter. And, when it goes wrong, you need deep pockets!
Hospitals cost more to run than to build.

Cue Gaffer ............

Cheshire Puss

But you are still not answering 'The Question'

I purposely put that BBC article on because it is a bit negative towards Brexit, the BBC have always been pro EU, that is why I said I was helping out you remainers, to give you something to argue with, but although the article is negative, it does give a lot of information about the nuts and bolts of Brexit.

The Daily Express article is obviously over the top on in saying how good Brexit has been.

But if it was said that since Brexit we have not fell into an economic abyss and nor have we become an economic powerhouse, which for me is probably where were at with Brexit, the answer to my question being that we are no better off and neither are we any worse off, and with a margin of error in that coment, we could be slighly worse off or slightly better off.

So would you say Cheshire Puss if that was the situation "well why did we bother leaving the EU if we are no better off financially"

"well why did we bother leaving the EU if we are no better off financially"


"Well, it was the public who voted for it. Nothing to do with us" - "The turkeys voted for Christmas"!

The fishing industry in our country was decimated by the EU who had imposed quota's on the amount of fish that our trawlers could catch.

A decision which badly affected the local economy of our fishing ports and resulted in a lot of unemployment not only by those in the fishing industry but also other businesses from which many have never recovered.

Just one of of the industries in our country which have been affected by polices of the EU to make things better for them and not us.

The decision of 2016 was long overdue!

Millibands net zero mission will make leaving the EU look like a side show.
We rely on Norway for over 40% of the gas we use and an increasing amount of electricity from their vast hydroelectric network.
The Norwegian government collapsed earlier this week following a row with the EU over green energy. ( Norway isn’t a member of the EU but as part of the European Economic Area it has to follow many EU rules and directives ).
Another non EU blow to the economy this week with Astra Zeneca pulling the plug on a £450 vaccine plant in Speke. The company had an acceptable government contribution of £90 million (£70 million for the vaccine factory and £20 million for extensions to the research facility in Cambridge) from the Tories but Rachel Reeves wanted to cut it to £40 million.
The Covid situation highlighted the shortage of vaccine production capacity in the UK as a problem.
Philadelphia is now in the frame for the AZ vaccine factory.

Not sure about all the political ins and outs but 2 things do stand out, those being the promises of the extra hospitals and the control of our borders with, being an island, you would have thought have been an easier task than the one facing the land bordered European countries. Getting back to the Covid point, and i'm no fan of Boris, but I ask this, Would we have got the vaccination programme rolled out as quick as we did as a remaining member of the EU ?

it was the mhra who granted permision for the vaccine to be rolled out in the uk. boris just came on tv.
and encouraged every body to have it
we should thank the nhs the profesors and all the
volunteers who got it rolled out

Owd Codger, relating to the fishing industry, you said - " ......... Just one of of the industries in our country which have been affected by polices of the EU to make things better for them and not us.

The decision of 2016 was long overdue!"

But, even though we've left the EU., 'them men' are still giving European fishermen the right to take fish from our waters? (as I've posted above ^^^^^)

Granted Tom, but would the said experts and volunteers have had their hands tied if we had still been in the EU or would we have had to ' wait our turn '?

just telling you the fACTS what you asked
the torys tried to claim it was them but soon after
denied it. boris never clamed he rolled the vaccine out. .

The EU started their covid vaccination programme at the same time as us (within 3 weeks), although they gave €millions of aid and support to many other countries, all over the World, for ten months before protecting their own people, including China.
I suspect the UK did the same, but I don't know?

What Boris Johnson did do during covid is roll out millions of pounds worth of tax payers money on PPE contracts to individuals with links to the tory party without even offering them out for competitive tender

To make matters worse for the taxpayer, they were defective and unusable!