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Started by: tonker (29775) 

.......... do you call a Pakistani stood in a skip?

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Rumma Ging !

Started: 11th Jul 2024 at 22:34
Last edited by tonker: 11th Jul 2024 at 22:35:50

Posted by: tomplum (14723) 

Replied: 11th Jul 2024 at 22:49

Posted by: First Mate (3066)

How embarrassing, . I also noted that the "labour in " thread was deleted after similar was posted by tomplum.
Rule * Do not post racist, sexually explicit or other objectionable material.

Replied: 12th Jul 2024 at 11:50

Posted by: mollie m (9036) 

I'm sick of it. Thing is, there are very few of us on here who have met each other, so I don’t understand why racist content would be posted because we aren’t aware of others’ ethnicity. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. It doesn’t matter what colour we all are, whether it be black, brown, white, or any other colour. What matters is what we are on the inside, not the outside. One man’s idea of a joke may well be insulting or hurtful to others.

Just to pick on somebody because of the colour of their skin is something I truly don’t understand. Why not eye colour, or hair colour? It may come as a surprise to some, but we’re all humans, from Earth, not aliens from another planet, so please respect all people, no matter what their origins are. Believe me, I know what it’s like to be targeted with racist remarks and, no matter how sensitive a person might be, a time will come when they’ve had enough and they either speak out - or hit back.

Replied: 13th Jul 2024 at 20:55

Posted by: tomplum (14723) 

Ah, I see now, to understand this, I logged out and found Leccy mate is accusing me of a racist remark, well I posted a similar one about boris cleaning the toilets, no one found that abusive, So i posted the Ex premaster cooking in the street and BOOM,,,,
get a grip leccy mate, , find out what racist means and then come back with your insinuations,

Replied: 13th Jul 2024 at 21:29

Posted by: hollyH (108)

Good for you Molly. I agree wholeheartedly. I know I haven't been a member very long but I've looked in for many years. It used to be such a good site with lots of contributors, full of fun and useful information. It's no wonder people have stopped posting when it's been ruined by arguing, backbiting and racist comments by a group of men who should know better. Shame on them.

Replied: 13th Jul 2024 at 21:33

Posted by: tonker (29775) 

" .... I don’t understand why racist content would be posted because we aren’t aware of others’ ethnicity"

Mollie, race and ethnicity are not the same thing. Although they do sometimes go together, making a joke about a person's ethnicity cannot be said to be racist.

Replied: 13th Jul 2024 at 22:03

Posted by: Stardelta (inactive)

Regardless of the semantics the point she is making is that she and others are objecting to both yours and Toms posts and comments and it’s not the first time the subject has been raised.

If you had the slightest amount of respect the pair of you would stop making them.

Replied: 14th Jul 2024 at 08:23
Last edited by Stardelta: 14th Jul 2024 at 08:52:16

Posted by: gaffer (8396) 

I agree with you Mollie. However, I would add the total disrespect shown to some by a minority. Owd Codger gets comments aimed at him which are totally out of order. It’s been suggested several times that he should take a dementia test. As soon as he posts he invariably gets a sarcastic response.

Replied: 14th Jul 2024 at 12:00

Posted by: peter g (3808) 

A person from Scotland is a Scot, A person from Turkey is a Turk, A person from Finland is a Finn no offence there, So a person from Pakistan is a Paki what's the problem with that?.

Replied: 14th Jul 2024 at 13:13

Posted by: kathpressey (5706) 

well said Mollie m. awful racist jokes . and peter g the difference is that paki is used as an insulting racist term which I am sure you are well aware

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 08:37

Posted by: Owd Codger (4456)

peter g

Wrong, a person from Pakistan is a Pakistani.

Around the sixtites, there was a Cricket league in Bolton which included teams like Bolton West Indians, Bolton Indians but the Pakistani's chose to play as Bolton Commonwealth as a result of being called what you have said.

Had many a good day playing against all three of them!

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 09:01

Posted by: riocaroni (834)

Owd codger, what would you call someone from Australia, an Australian or an Aussie. I think it's just a shortened version?

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 10:33

Posted by: gaffer (8396) 

The shortened form of Pakistani is seen as a racial slur.

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 11:20

Posted by: Pyeyta (192) 

Why? gaffer

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 13:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (16559)

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 13:53

Posted by: gaffer (8396) 

Pyeyta

The word 'Paki' is defined by the shorter Oxford English Dictionary as being slang which is considered racially offensive.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the phrase Paki-bashing was used, it denoted violence against the Pakistani race and, as such, became offensive.

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 15:03

Posted by: tonker (29775) 

Gaffer, if, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the phrase "Pakistani-bashing" was used to denote violence against the Pakistani race, would that, as such, become offensive?
As far as I'm concerned, I know 2 Pakis who call themselves Paki. That's Joe Paki, who lives in Park Lane, Abram and Paki Stan, who works at Hierros Altadill steel supplies in Spain (good lad, gave me a big bag of Chestnuts last year) and he says he's "proud to be a Paki"!

If they don't like it, they can lump it!

Replied: 17th Jul 2024 at 16:24

Posted by: kathpressey (5706) 

why not just call these guys Joe and Paki? are other workers identified by their heritage. maybe they are proud of being named this way because they just want a quiet life.

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 08:25

Posted by: peter g (3808) 

I'm with Tonker I've worked with blokes we called Scouse Ray, Paki Ray and Paki Shaun also worked with a George the Pole and Black Jack what's the problem? If that's racist I must be one and so were all my mates at work. P.S. Those were the nicknames they had before I started at those places.

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 08:38
Last edited by peter g: 18th Jul 2024 at 08:40:39

Posted by: Owd Codger (4456)

I supposed it all depends on what kind of person you are, the level of education you learned and then the type of place you were working and the people you were working with!

I also worked with people from different races, cultures and other parts of our country, but the only nicknames I ever came across were more of a comedy kind rather than being related to their origin of birth!

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 09:12

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (16559)

There is another thing in play here, and that is 'context' what 'context' is the word being used in ?

As to the word 'paki' it invariably is used in the 'context' of being 'derogatory' and just as the Pakistani and Indian communities evolved in this country, at the same time the 'derogatory' description of those people's as 'paki's' also evolved, and it is as simple as that, and if you have worked with someone who {{says}} that they don't mind being called a 'paki' then that still does not take away the fact that in popular culture, the word 'paki' is a derogatory word.

Take the medical practitioners who for many decades now have been part of the NHS, and I bet a lot of the older member on here, their first encounter of none white people in this country, was in the NHS, and when referring to a none white doctor, folk would not use the word 'paki' he or she would be referred to in exactly the same way as a white doctor.

A word which is used to describe none white people, which I would say is semi derogatory, and by that I mean it can be said in a 'derogatory' way or it can be said in a none 'derogatory' way, is the word 'darky' but by that I mean that the word maybe said in a none 'derogatory' way, but the person who it is describing may take being described as a 'darky' as an insult, and so that person will consider the word to have been used in a 'derogatory' way.

It has always amused me when I have heard the old un's refer to a doctor has being a 'darky doctor' so does that make me out to be a racist ?

Well I am sure that 'darky doctors' would say 'yes' to that question.

So if you don't want to insult none white people in this country, then don't make a reference to their 'colour, creed and race' unless such references to such are 'relevant' to the conversation

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 10:55

Posted by: tonker (29775) 

"when referring to a none white doctor, folk would not use the word 'paki' he or she would be referred to in exactly the same way as a white doctor."

"It has always amused me when I have heard the old un's refer to a doctor has being a 'darky doctor' "

Six of one and half a dozen of the other, eh.?

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 11:38

Posted by: Stardelta (inactive)

So out of the approx 255,000,000 Pakistanis in the world a handful of them don’t find the term offensive???

I guess that makes it ok then

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 13:27

Posted by: Billinge Biker (3078) 

It looks Wheeeeeel when Trumps running buddy called UK a Muslim country.

Replied: 18th Jul 2024 at 16:21

 

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