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Started by: Billinge Biker (2490) 

Totally fed up of so called "Desperate" people crying poverty saying their benefits don't cover their food bills etc etc.
1. What goals did you achieve in your lifetime - None.
2. Relied on council housing instead of pulling your finger out and getting on the property ladder
3. Being a 3rd or 4th generation scrounger and leech in our society.
4. If you commit crime ..don't cry about it when you get jailed.
5. If you 'Chose" drugs ..tough...you are a burden on our NHS .
6. If you scrounge outside shops you should be arrested for vagrancy.
7. Hope Starmer follows his manifesto...if you are offered jobs and don't take them...No Benefit money.
8. How do they all have top of the range clothes/mobile phones.
9. We don't need no extra leech's coming in their boats..we have enough here.
10. I won't see the ignored replies .so don't bother.

Started: 8th Jul 2024 at 18:07

Posted by: Stardelta (12074)

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2470) View Billinge Biker's page

Hope one and all are OK..it's nice to be nice

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 18:14

Posted by: mollie m (7408) 

Mr Biker:

I agree with your Items 3 to 9. Item 1 and 2 depend on education and social environment.

1. Not everyone has the same intellect to achieve goals that can be achieved by others

2. Not everyone has the opportunity to save enough money to buy their own homes in the first instance.

However, if they choose to have half a dozen kids without the benefit of being able to pay for them, and rely on the taxpayer, then I would add that to your list.


Pack it in. There's a good lad. It's getting tedious.

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 20:16

Posted by: tomplum (12972) 

I agree that a benefit should not be a way of living as it seems many claim as a birthright, It should be earned and if a person has never paid in, they should not be entitled to anything, These ' newcomers who, arrive by sneaking in or canoeing across the channel' should be made to earn their keep by, cleaning up the streets or filling pot holes,

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 20:38

Posted by: Stardelta (12074)

Pack it in eh Tom....that pot hole line is getting a bit.......tedious

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 20:59

Posted by: tonker (28318) 

Back to my post regarding Labour saying pensions should be means tested, I really think that pensioners who take state pension, plus private pension, yet still take employment in Asda, Aldi, B&Q etc.. Now, that is wrong. Kind of. But it’s their choice. I mean, they have the right to do as they please. But they shouldn’t have both.

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 21:11

Posted by: tomplum (12972) 

I have to disagree there tonks, some are working cos they are bored and some are woking to make ends meet, a single person even with a private pension can keep fed and watered but, the luxuries like, car ownership and holidays, the pension won't fund that, even on a plumbers life,,

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 21:19

Posted by: cheshirecat (1116) 

Started by: Billinge Biker (2470) [View Billinge Biker's page]
"2. Relied on council housing instead of pulling your finger out and getting on the property ladder"

There are a few people on here whom were brought up in council houses.
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. In fact I find that a very derogatory remark which you stated. I'm assuming you did not think what you were typing before you came out with remark?
Are you suggesting their hardworking parents didn't" pull their fingers out?"

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 21:47

Posted by: First Mate (2546)

Many might say "there but for the grace of god"

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 22:00

Posted by: tomplum (12972) 

Chesh Moggie, I came from a big family and I lived in a council house but, I did not take offense because, I know he meant the free loading, ner do well benefit claimers who, don't want to work, I know a guy who works in the claims dept and he says, " its the same ole faces every week coming in saying they can't manage off the meager dole money" they have no intention of finding work, these are the ones crippling Britain ,

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 22:09

Posted by: cheshirecat (1116) 

You have not got a clue what he meant.
Don't try to defend the indefendible.

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 22:21

Posted by: tomplum (12972) 

What ever

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 22:43

Posted by: whups (13671) 

generally it,s not to make ends meet it,s because they dont want to break into their pension pot & it,s pure greed without any consideration on keeping a younger person out of a job . selfishness at it,s best .

Replied: 8th Jul 2024 at 23:38

Posted by: Stardelta (12074)

“Relied on council housing instead of pulling your finger out and getting on the property ladder”

Do you consider those who live in council housing somehow inferior or below you?

More bigoted comments eh BB?

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 05:56
Last edited by Stardelta: 9th Jul 2024 at 06:50:00

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2490) 

Mollie....I was brought up in council housing....I agree there should be more for deserving families....When I worked in Platt Bridge it was the norm at 16 get pregnant..demand a flat and live off benefits...not changed much since then all over the borough.

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 09:02
Last edited by Billinge Biker: 9th Jul 2024 at 09:04:14

Posted by: albion (407)

if people say they go to work because there bored.if you cant find anything more to do than go to work.you are boreing.Get a life and admit your greedy.

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 09:34

Posted by: tonker (28318) 

Social Housing should never have been sold off and should be means-tested!

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 10:12

Posted by: whups (13671) 

did he say scrounger or scouser ? .

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 11:21

Posted by: tonker (28318) 

I don’t think he meant you, Whups, you know, you being a Merseysider an’ all that. These plastic ‘Wiganers’ call anybody from Merseyside a Scouser!

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 13:33
Last edited by tonker: 9th Jul 2024 at 13:34:43

Posted by: whups (13671) 

bullshit tonker .

Replied: 9th Jul 2024 at 23:41

Posted by: tonker (28318) 

. Bullshit My Arse! There’s many on here who say you St Helensers are Scousers. And you know it! Or you might be Whackers? Now there’s a question.
Are St Helensers Scousers or Whackers?

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 07:44

Posted by: tomplum (12972) 

I can enlighten you on that one Tonker, Scousers are called ' whackers' because its a term they used during , Times of hardship and . If a scouser found, something that fawd off a wagon, he would 'whack' it with his close mates, meaning to share it, I've been informed Whups would't whack anything, I heard he can peel an orange in his pocket so, Whups is no whacker but he is a scouser

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 08:53

Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (6154)

Interesting to read bikers views on scroungers, especially his dig at council house dwellers some of whom he reckons didn't get there finger out and get on the property ladder, well the thing is a hell of a lot of them did with Thatchers right to buy there council house scheme ( houses which were never replaced ) And then what happened? She took away there livelihood by decimating mining, steel, and other industries and they ended up having there homes repossessed most of which fell into the hands of private landlords at bargain prices who then made loads of money by renting them out. And answer me this one biker seeing as you have a downer on scroungers, which do you think costs the country more? Is it people who can work but won't work? Or add all these together. Tax evaders and avoiders. Bankers and financial sector bonuses when banks have been bailed out more than once using taxpayers money! The Tories handing out God knows how much to there pals in useless and overpriced contracts. Those who nip into the house of lords for a quick snooze and get paid well over 300 quid a day plus subsidised food and drink, MPs claiming mountains of cash in expenses and again getting subsidised food and drink. Energy and other utility and service companies, which should never have been privatised in the first place! Making obscene profits which are dished out in massive wages to CEOs and the like, plus dividends to shareholders but yet still putting up prices. I could go on but i don't want you to have to do to much adding up.

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 09:50
Last edited by ahcawntspeyk: 10th Jul 2024 at 09:56:20

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2490) 

Tha reet....there's far too many out there with noses in the Trough from the top down .. I have a downer on the bone idle lazy bar stewards who have no intention of contributing..even those with noses in the Trough pay tax and insurance ..not all evade totally...whereby lazy a**** contribute zilch.

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 10:25

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15935)

I wonder how many of the people who are now retired, or are ready to retire, those in their 60s, 70s, 80s plus who were part of Thatcher's working generation, they were already working when Thatcher came to power in 1979, how many of those took up Thatcher's 'right-to-buy' and bought their council houses, how many of those actually now regret buying their council homes ?

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 10:25

Posted by: tomplum (12972) 

Tommy Tee, I bowt my council house and never regretted it, Like many others I got a good deal and it paid off, I hated thatcher but, she did me a big favour there,,,

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 10:32

Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (6154)

But you didn't respond to those who got there finger out, bought there council houses then got shafted by Thatcher. You also haven't answered my question biker. Which cost us more?

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 10:52

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15935)


Well of course anyone who has lost their job and then goes on to lose their houses, that is a tragedy, and in places where the nationalised industries were either the main employer or the only employer, such has the mining towns in places like Yorkshire, where when the mines closed, there was literally nothing there to replace them job wise, that was terrible.

But my question is relating to how does owning your former council home, relate to not buying it, and to have continued through the years to rent that home from the council, and so owner or renter of that council property, when you retire what state of repair is the property in, has the property been modernised over the years, and I am speaking in general, I know some people will have done well out of it, and some people won't have done so well out of it.

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 11:06

Posted by: whups (13671) 

the trouble is with you tonker is that 3 quaters of haydock speak like a scouser & your probably 1 of them unlike us who were born in wigan & due to boundry changes are now in an area we dont want to be in . we will ALWAYS be wigan .

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 11:33
Last edited by whups: 10th Jul 2024 at 11:34:28

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2490) 

Maggie didn't do me any harm whatsoever...I don't know the figures but I strongly suspect the Benefits bill in total costs more than the noses in the Trough brigade. You can only guess at the figure of tax evasion as nobody knows in reality. Those who cheated on expenses claims have been sorted and new rules in place. One of the footmen in the lord's is employed to dig the old jossers in the ribs to wake them up...That needs looking into as well....Oh look...another 450 scroungers landed on our shores in 6 boats yesterday. What's Starmers answer...kill off the Rwanda bill which has cost many millions so far. Perhaps you do gooders could house some of these immigrants...in the great British spirit of the day....Marvellous .
P.S. Tonker is a fully fledged Skon-yed Ashtonee'r..

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 14:25

Posted by: riocaroni (702)

Who wasted the millions of pounds on Rwanda flights?

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 15:23

Posted by: tonker (28318) 

Whups, I thought you were born and bred in Ashton in Makerfield, the section of which has been in Merseyside for over 50 years and has never, ever, been in Wigan. That means you've spent over 50 years, in fact most of your life, living in Merseyside.
It follows that you are a 'naturalised' Scouser.

From :- 'The Scousish Naturalisation Act' (Gov.co.uk)

You can apply to naturalise as a Scousish citizen if you .....

• Are aged 18 or over when you apply
• Are of sound mind, so that you understand the step you are taking
• Have lived in Merseyside for a minimum of 5 years before you apply
• Must have been physically present in a Merseyside Borough on the day 5 years before the application is received by the Home
• Must not have been in breach of the Scouser Naturalisation laws in the 5-year period before
making your application. We may assume you meet this requirement without
making further enquiries if you have been granted indefinite leave to enter or
remain in Merseyside, in any of it's Boroughs

Now then, compare this factual information ......

I spent just over 9 years of my life living in Merseyside. I then moved to Wigan Borough, in Greater Manchester, where I live now 40 years later.

You, on the other hand, have lived in Merseyside for over 50 years and have never lived in Wigan, Wigan Borough or Greater Manchester.

Work that one out!

"We all live in a Yellow Submarine, a Yellow Submarine, a Yellow Submarine"

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 15:48
Last edited by tonker: 10th Jul 2024 at 15:50:15

Posted by: cheshirecat (1116) 

Posted by: Billinge Biker
" We don't need no extra leech's coming in their boats..we have enough here.
If you commit crime ..don't cry about it when you get jailed"

Typed by a leech who does not pay for a television licence!
That statement is the pinnacle of hypocricy! I hope you don't cry if you ever get jailed or fined

Replied: 10th Jul 2024 at 16:59

Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (6154)

biker wrote. " Maggie didn't do me any harm whatsoever " Spoken like a true I'm alright Jack thirty bob wannabe Tory

He also wrote. .I don't know the figures but I strongly suspect the Benefits bill in total costs more than the noses in the Trough brigade

Well here are some figures for you. The total estimated welfare bill for 2024 is 1.34 billion, now bare in mind that not all of that will be paid to who you class as scroungers, a lot of it will be to genuine claimants such as the disabled, those who are actually in employment and getting universal credit, and those who are genuinely seeing work. The estimated cost of tax avoidance is 1.8 billion, the cost of tax evasion can't be estimated but it will be quite a few quid. Add on to that lot the money paid to the Lords, MPs expenses, bankers bonuses, obscene salaries paid to CEOs, etc, etc, and tell me which costs more?

Replied: 11th Jul 2024 at 12:51
Last edited by ahcawntspeyk: 11th Jul 2024 at 12:53:43

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2851)

The absent minded Tory chancellor tried it on for about 5 million£ I wonder how much him and the rest of the fine upstanding Tory cabinet got away with over the last 5 years

Replied: 11th Jul 2024 at 13:18

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6657) 

I found some of the comments interesting ,some not , On the issue of the "boats" again my view's are that Irrespective what colour is on number 10 be it ,RED,BLUE,YELLO, GREEN' ETC NOT ONE OF THEM HAS GOT THE BALLS TO MAKE THE DECSION TO TURN THEM AROUND AND DROP THEM OF IN THE """SAFE "" COUNTRY THEY CAME FORM !!!!!!!! Bar one person who has cited that should he have been made P.M. he would have carried out such,and it's th eone and only NIGEL FARAGE ,like him or hate he does what he says
On the issue of council housing ,i just wish to add one thing and he should well know that after this country came out of W.W. 2 there was barely any house's and also the state of what were had were decrepit ie the Labour Gov massive council house build which i believe was a great success ,which should be replicated today .

Replied: 11th Jul 2024 at 13:49

Posted by: gaffer (8053) 


Your figures are a tad adrift, the welfare bill this year is £ 157.8 billion.
The bank bailout was mainly in the form of guarantees to prevent a run on the banks.
The net amount, mainly down to NatWest, still owing is around £30 billion. The banking sector annual contribution to the exchequer in taxes is currently £41 billion.

Public spending

Replied: 11th Jul 2024 at 13:54

Posted by: whups (13671) 

the percentage of the benefits section of the welfare bill is 12% & a massive 67% is paid to pensions .

Replied: 12th Jul 2024 at 01:14


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