General Election 2024

It is looking highly likely that the election will be called on for a vote in October, and although it looks like it will be a Landslide victory for Labour, some experts are saying that it may be more of a close run thing than that, with some experts predicting that we may end up with Labour winning, but with a no overall majority of MP's in Parliament, leading to a 'Hung Parliament' like there was after the General Election of 2017, and if that happens it will be terrible, because nothing will get done in the country, it will just be nothing only squabbling in Parliament, worse squabbling than what there is here on Wigan World

I think a lot of it will depend on what will be in the Labour Party, Election Manifesto

Your probably right TTS another factor will be how this inept government try to buy votes

As Paul Daniels would say, "Not a lot"

as been predicted a while ago 1stroke by me .

It will be an absolute landslide for Labour. This bunch who are in now must be the biggest load of liars ever to govern!

I always remember the General Election of 1992, the polls said that it was an easy win for Labour led by Neil Kinnock, after the Tories got rid of Margaret Thatcher and the supposed unpopularity of John Major, but the polls were wrong, and John Major won, albeit with a small majority which he lost as he lost byelection after byelection, and that was a dreary 5 years until Tony Blair won in the 1997 General Election.

then came 97 & a landslide , just like this time .

Some of those calling the present Tory government have forgot that because of the election of Jeremy Corbyn as party leader, what was predicted to be a Labour victory ended up with a further five years of the Tories nd Boris Johnson.

If ever there was a case of election suricide, that was it

Owd Codger

What was predicted to be a Labour Victory ?

and

Whupsy

Did you read all of me post ?

Tommy Two Stroke

The last general election AND a result which led to another extra five years for some on Wigan World to moan about the Tories.

Nothing will change. Tories, Labour, any of 'em. They're all weak against the Government (which is run by 'them men'!)

The Tories should be worried even Captain Google and Corpral Codger have stopped trying to defend them

You can predict the speech too,

I cannot undo the damage the tories did in a day, we have hard times ahead so. we will have to make unpopular chances Bla,,Bla Bla, then he'll give himself a raise before he increases tax and cuts services, same old same old bull muck but, At least Whupsie will be happy..

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Handsomeminer

I have never in my life defended the Tories or their Governments, only pointing out that as a result of the Labour Party making a wrong decision in electing Jeremy Corbyn as its leader to fight the last general election, Labour voters like yourself have spent a extra five years moaning about them!

Yes, tomplum, and a book and then a Hollywood movie.
Riches galore.  And in later life, maybe a damehood.
Some will say that this is justice,

yes todger & you moan ALL the time .

Whups

You do enough yourself with the constant moaning about the NHS becoming privatised.

OC you probably don't know your doing it

which is a fact todger . so do YOU want a privitised NHS ? .

Whupsy

I couldn't care less if any NHS treatment I have done, is done by the private sector or the NHS, has long as I don't have to pay for it

Tommy Two Stroke

Exactly what I asked him a short while ago, would he reject any neccessary medical treatment offered by the NHS at a private facility, but never got a reply.

The same question also applies to the other side of the double act!

"Exactly what I asked him......................... but never got a reply"


I know exactly what you mean Todge!

S D..

So what would you posters like to see in the Labour Party manifesto ?

Refused read owt about pòlstics

which you will under a tory regime who,s sole intention is to privitise it & everything else along with it . just wait until you need treatment & have to pay for it .

Whupsy

What would yoo like to see in the Labour Party manifesto ?

The NHS is free at the point of use. However, somebody has to pay for it and that’s the taxpayer. It works out at approximately £3,000 per person per year in England.
Before a general election each political party produces a manifesto to state what they intend to do or not to do if elected. If a manifesto stated that they are intended to privatise the NHS it would effectively consign them to oblivion.
It looks like Wes Streeting, the likely Labour Secretary of State for health, will look at alternative methods of funding the NHS and, if Labour secure a second term, will probably bring in a model similar to the Australian system.

I suppose that will mean that Whupsy will be going around looking for Kangaroo's, so he can give them a good kicking

plenty of kangaroos in this tory party & the kangaroo court they use such as atos who dance to their tune . i would like to see the kicking out of private companies & the use of agency nurses in the NHS . also i would like then to right a terrible wrong & kick out the private companies like atos & the rest who do these terrible medical assessments & take it back to the NHS .

Whups

That would mean kicking out the GPs and their staff including your surgery. You would have to pay an admin fee to get a prescription to take to the chemist or go for a blood test. It would probably cost you £50 or more for a doctors appointment. Those in work would get a rebate on the NI contribution, no such luck for the pensioners .

If a ward manager is short of nurses, because of staff off sick, to run the ward(s) safely what do they do if they can’t use agency nurses?

Whupsy

I agree about Atos and the medical assessments, which were designed in such a way that just about everyone failed to meet the criteria to be judged not fit to work, but I thought that they had terminated Atos's contract to do assessments years ago, but as regards stopping the use of private companies and agency nurses in the NHS then if they did that, no one would end up being treated.

So if Labour bring in the Australian system of NHS, will yoo be going fighting Kangaroo's LINK

we cant get a doctors appointment now so there,s no difference to me . hire more nurses instead of getting rid of them & trying to run the nhs as a business instead of looking after people . all this admin fee is coming under a tory government anyway it,s all part of their privitisation plan . there you go gaffer "ward manager" there shud be no such thing as it was always run by the matron . and why would it mean kicking out gps as they work for the nhs . woe betide if the tories get their way we are already back to a victorian age & we will go back even further with this lot running the country .

And here's me thinking that they are taking on 'more' nurses, and to stop losing doctors to the USA and Australia, then just pay them more.

Nowadays, GPs only give prescriptions and refer patients to specialists. A nurse can do that, so they replace general practitioners as they cost less.
Three 'advanced nursing practitioners' and one Dr. makes a cheaper team than 4 Drs. and they do the same job.
I've had two appointments in the last six months, never seen a Dr., just an advanced nursing practitioner.
I have just as much confidence in the St John's Ambulance Brigade now, after being prescribed the wrong drugs twice by staff at both Leigh and Wigan hospitals. First one made me really ill and secong one 'could' have killed me, had I taken them before discovering they were not to be taken together as they can cause heart failure!
Sometimes, a pharmacist (chemist to the not so breet) is a better option.

Whups

GPs are not employed by the NHS. They have a contract to provide GP services just as Branson does. When they had matrons on the wards nurses didn’t have to have a university degree. Work on the wards is scientifically more complex these days. The title matron still exists but it’s used more for business managers these days.
One GP who has a practice in Ashton owns 40 surgeries across the north west with over 150,000 patients.He also owns a large diagnostics centre which undertakes NHS and private work.I’ve known him for a long time, was a guest at his wedding, it was obvious that from a young age he was going to build a substantial business within the NHS.

It must be very frustrating being a nobody with all those high flying friends

"GPs are not employed by the NHS. They have a contract to provide GP services ...."

".... it was obvious that from a young age he was going to build a substantial business within the NHS."

Gaffer, if they are not employed by the NHS, surely, their business is outside of the NHS ?

he,ll do anything to try & prove he,s right & twist it in his favour .

GP's are contracted into the NHS to provide free NHS treatment, but if a person wants private treatment they can request it and pay the GP like it was before the NHS was founded in 1948.

The only GP'S at a Practice who are paid a salary by the NHS are those who are not a partner of a Practice and Locum Doctors who stand in for GP'S when they are on holiday etc.

Dental Practicies are Private and contracted out of NHS, but most give NHS treatment for which you have to fill in a form and pay one of three charges which the Dentist reclaims from the NHS, but like the GP's can on request be given private treatment and pay the charges of the Dentist.

Another difference of the contacting in or out are shownd by most GP Practices being in modern buildings like Health Centres, Clinics etc which are accessible by the disabled while most Dental Practices are in older properties which are not very accessible for the disabled.

Tonker,

It goes back to the period of negotiations that led up to the creation of the NHS in 1948.
Aneurin Bevan wanted general practitioners to be part of the soon to be NHS. However, the GPs wouldn’t accept themselves being salaried employees of the state. After months of negotiations a compromise was agreed. They would work for the NHS but as Independent Contractors rather than employees.
In the same vein the hospital doctors wouldn’t sign up for the NHS unless they could carry out private work. Hence Bevan’s famous quotation ‘I stuffed the doctor’s mouths with gold in order to create the NHS’

gaffer

Thank you for confirming more or less what I said about the difference between GP and Dental Practices!

so if they are contracted out it means they work for the NHS . and since 1948 the torys have been trying to get rid of the NHS & thats a fact to .

This is just playing around with words, if a man gets all of his work from the NHS, you can call it what you like, but it is what it is.

Owd Codger

Gaffer used to be the CEO of the Wigan Hospitals Trust, there again I am not sure what it is called now, Wigan, Wrightington and Leigh Trust or something, and I am not sure of what his job title was, but he was head honcho, boss, main mon, gaffer, that is why he is called Gaffer, so I would imagine he knows more about the NHS than all of the rest of us put together

Now calm down Tonker

Tommy Two Stoke


It is called the Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust on its website, but the Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Leaning Hospitals Trust on the Hospital signs.

Wish they would make their minds up!

Well aye, but to most it's t'Hosspital

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OC

Since becoming a Foundation Trust it has acquired Teaching Hospital status. It’s official title is Wrightington,Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust.

Gaffer,

Why then are there two websites, one just saying WWL NHS Foundation Trust and the the other WWL NHS Teaching Hospitals NHS FoundationTrust.

Why not have just simply named it Wigan Hospitals NHS Trust in the first place and stop the nonsense of changing names and wasting taxpayers money on changing websites and printing new paper letter headings every time the name is changed.

No wonder the NHS is losing money!

Had too many of the old grumpy pills again today eh Todge?

As for the NHS losing money, all I can say is I had no idea its purpose WAS to generate money.

I thought Gaffer was a non executive director, not CEO. (not that it matters to me, laaaaike, I'm just correcting TTS)

It couldn't be named 'Wigan Hospitals NHS Trust' because it covers hospitals which aren't in Wigan.
Simple!
On top of that, it's swapped and changed for different reasons, some of which are to benefit those who run the show. For instance, the board of directors of the Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust reputedly awarded themselves nearly £2 million in fees recently.
Gaffer will know a bit about that one.
Also, a while ago, the story goes that they tried to open a Vat-registered sub-company in order to enable them to claim paid Vat back, something which they can't do as a Vat exempt company.
I read they got themselves into a bit of bother with that one. (a muslim trick, if ever I saw one) (but the difference is, the muslims seem to be allowed to do it!)

PS: before you start, I'm not having a sly go at Gaffer!

PPS: This is off Wikipedia (not a reliable source, but there we go..)

In the financial year 2017–18, the Trust had fifteen remunerated directors, at a total cost ranging from £1.56 million to £1.63 million.

Director Position-Total Remuneration (£)
Robert Armstrong - Chairman - 45,000 - 50,000
Andrew Foster - Chief Executive - 235,000 - 240,000
Sanjay Arya - Medical Director - 310,000 - 315,000
Alison Balson - Director of Workforce - 145,000 - 150,000
Neil Campbell - Non-Executive Director - 10,000 - 15,000
Mary Fleming - Director of Operations and Performance - 170,000 - 175,000
Robert Forster- Director of Finance and Informatics - 240,000 - 245,000
Mick Guymer - Non-Executive Director - 10,000 - 15,000
Carole Hudson - Non-Executive Director - 15,000 - 20,000
Pauline Law - Director of Nursing - 175,000 - 180,000
Jon Lloyd Non-Executive Director 10,000 - 15,000
Richard Mundon - Director of Strategy and Planning - 150,000 - 155,000
Christine Parker-Stubbs - Non-Executive Director - 15,000 - 20,000
Neil Turner - Non-Executive Director - 15,000 - 20,000
Tony Warne - Non-Executive Director - 10,000 - 15,000
Whups - Non-Executive Shouter - 1/6d - 2/6d

Neil Turner, eh.. Them MPs'll get where water can't!

tonker

Good point about hospitals not being in Wigan like Wrightington!

As for the figures quoted, multiply it by all the other trusts and there you have a national scandal.

Generating money my backside, more like robbing the public!

And Leigh!

OC

There’s an employer contribution to pension of 21% to add to the above executive salaries. That’s an extra £65,000 for the medical director.

tonker

Perhaps then, Wigan & District Hospitals NHS Trust to keep you happy!

What keeps me happy is folk saying the correct thing.

Wrightington Hospital is not in the Wigan "district".

The 'correct' title is "Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust" (as already stated by Gaffer).

It's called that because it's to do with the management of the three stated hospitals. One in Wrightington, one in Wigan and one in Leigh.
Nothing to do with Wrightington, Wigan or Leigh (the places or the council or the postcode), only the hospitals. See!

Owd Codger, there are said to be 215 nhs/hospital trusts in the UK. That's about £400 million, at least, paid to the management alone, not including those who actually do any work treating the sick and injured!

But Wrightington Hospital used to be in the Wigan Rural District.

Wigan "used to be" in Newton le Willows and both "used to be" in Lancashire, but they're not anymore. Wigan is "still" in Liverpool diocese.

AND Wigan used to be European Parliamentary Constituency of 'Merseyside East' they turned us into scousers, so it's no wonder that in the referendum, Wigan voted 'heavily' in favour of us leaving the EU

Wigan council were desperate to be included in the Liverpool City Region!

i,m sure he,s been prime minister too as being everything else . wot a fantasist .

Whupsy

Would Arthur Scargill make a good Prime Minister ?

And Whupsy, why did yoo not like Joe Gormley ?

Far better than the rubbish that's been in charge over the last 14 years ,mind you the bars set very low just look at the mess this inept bunch of Tory spiv s have made of this country

who says i dont like gormley ? . it,s yoo who dont like miners , isnt it .

Whupsy

No, No, No and I have said this before, and that is that I have nothing against miners, I have known a few of them in my time, but I don't like Arthur Scargill, because he used the miners for political reasons to try and oust Margaret Thatcher from power, emulating what had happened after the miners strike in 1974 which had led to the downfall of the Heath government.

1stroke HE DID,NT USE MINERS FOR POLITICAL REASONS as we knew years before that it was her intention to shut every mine down irrespective if they had years of coal left in them purely on a bigoted opinion on her part & a grudge held from 1974. it,s in here memoirs that on the very 1st day of her office she wanted to shut the pits down & was talked out of it by willie whitelaw & dont forget that it was HER & HER GOVERNMENT that instigated that strike in the 1st place . so get that into your stupid head .

Whups, it wasn't Thatcher's government, it was her parliament. The government is the Monarch's.

Parliament is not Government and vice-versa.

wotever tonker we know wots wot .

Whups,

It was the impression that the Tory Government got over to the general public by their cronies in the national media that Scargill and his leadership were more interested in bringing down the government as what were in preventing pit closures and also not holding a democratic national ballot that did the damage in lack of support from the general public and even the leadership of the Labour Party.

The latter being one of the many reason's why my Wife and I no longer vote Labour as it is no longer the party it used to be in the past and now as bad as the Tories in looking after number one!

Being from mining families ourselves, my Wife and I who fully supported the strike with donations, toys etc but had enough sense to realised that the moment the Tories got it across to the general public that it was a political strike to bring down the elected government, the miners were fighting a losing battle!

p.s. And before you say it, neither of us have ever voted Tory, be it in the past, present and the future.

Alf Robens a former Labour minister, tipped to become Labour PM had he stayed in politics chronicled his ten years as NCB chairman. He explains in the extract below how the 1967 Labour Fuel Policy White Paper would entail the number miners falling from 360,000 in 1967 to 65,000 in 1980. This was 12 years before Mrs. Thatcher became PM.

yet more claptrap from the usual suspects browbeating miners on behalf of their beloved tory party . tell us gaffer how much coal is there now under tory rule ? .

Whups, I was not browbeating the miners on behalf of the Tory Party as you seemed to think, only the person who led them into hardship and acheived nothing as the mines still closed while he retired to his luxary residence near Barnsley on his big pension.

Only glad that he never led me into a battle!

listen todger every miner knew wot was coming as soon as thatcher got in & it was just a matter of time when she implemented it . you would have run a mile if you had to put up a fight & nobody achieves anything if they lose do they . how much did thatcher get of a pension for wrecking the manufacturing , steel & coal industries . how come you never mention them ? .

whups

I have never defended Thatcher who did a lot of harm to working class families in the industries you have mentiond, but it's time that you faced up the fact that Scargill was hardly a Momtgomery where tactics were concerned in fighting a battle against the Tories.

Oh, and for the record, during the postal strike of 1971, my wife and I who had only just got married were living for seven weeks on the bread line and I was also on the picket lines at night after work at Winnick Quay during the Eddie Shah Printing dispute as well as many other disputes, so never accuse me of never having the will to fight the Tories!

so how long did it last ? . you always seem to side with the torys or are you just doing it to have a go at me .

More Tory propaganda from captain Google I notice he never says anything positive about the Tories inept performance over the last 14years ,I wonder why

Speculation is rife, because there is something going on in Westminster, something BIG !!!!

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Is this IT, is a General Election about to be called

Well Rishi Sunak is making an announcement at 5pm

Whupsy & Handsomeminer are starting to get excited, because those terrible Tories will soon be gone

4th July election date

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Hope so TTS but far from certain

yes they will & roll on july 4th .

Tommy Two Stroke

But will they be making any postings in the future calling the possible new government rotten etc if things continue to be carried on in the same way as they are now and promises made pre election are not carried out?

Perhaps the time has come for a real special date in our country like the American Independance date of July 4th to celebrate a revoution in getting rid of the present two failed party state who in recent years have shown they are both as bad as each other when in government!

And the the empty promises and political claptrap starts.

OC your getting confused again Labour has had nothing to do with the ruination of this country over the last 15 years it's all down to you and your mate gaffer inept dishonest Tory government

Labour had something to do with sending soldiers to their death over a barefaced lie!! Go on pitmon deny it I dare you!

A bit like Thatcher Falklands escape

Maggie was fighting for people who wanted to remain British!! .not suck up to bush!!I see youve not not condemned B LIAR, hang your head in shame

just like you flipperhead to get it wrong . 1st blair was lied to then 650 MPs voted on that war & it was them who sent us to iraq . get your facts right whippetyed .

Hansomminer

You need to think more logical instead of just spouting out the same bile about 15 year of the Tories as many were around when things were just as bad in the seventies under the Callaghan government.

And I say that as someone who voted Labour at the time

Tonight's 'Question Time' on BBC 1 at 8.00pm should be good, because on the panel is schools minister Damian Hinds from the Conservatives, Wes Streeting, who is Labour’s shadow health secretary, Reform UK’s honorary president and founder Nigel Farage, Rose Hudson-Wilkin, who is the bishop of Dover, and the TV presenter and former newspaper editor Piers Morgan.

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It will be worth watching just for the spat between Nigel Farage and Piers Morgan,, because the networks had them on at the same time in the 7.00pm slot, Nigel Farage on GB News and Piers Morgan on Talk TV and Nigel Farage got far more viewers than Piers Morgan, and now Talk TV is only available online, it has ceased broadcasting on the main Freeview terrestrial network, you can still get it on Freeview if your TV has Freeview Play which uses an internet connection.

I think that the left wing biased news organisations, such has the BBC are giving a lot of air time to Farage at the monment, in order to split the Tory vote between Reform and the Conservatives, which will give Labour a bigger majority, and also because Sunak and Starmer are so boring, Farage livens things up a bit.

Nigel Farage has decided to stand in the General Election LINK

yet another failed chance to be an MP . hahaha

Well they think that with the state of the Tory Party now, because it is so unpopular, if he stands for election in Clacton, he might get elected and it is now about competing with the Tories and LibDems as to who could be the best 'opposition' in Parliament, I mean the election is already won, because Labour have won it, so Reform are going hell for leather at the Tories, because they want to destroy them.

But last week on Question Time, in the discussion about the NHS and Nigel Farage said that he thought that a different type of funding model was needed for the NHS, which included those who can pay opting for a private insurance plan, where they would get preferential treatment from the NHS, (queue jumping) because they can pay for it, and the only people who could get free NHS care, are people who cannot afford to pay for it

Perhaps Nigel Farage is hoping history may repeat itself. When the Reform Party in Canada took over the Conservative Party it's leader finished up as Canada's PM for ten years.

More crap OC and still no answer to my question ,why not?

wot have i been telling you for years 1stroke .

Handsomeminer,


Likewise, I am still waiting on another topic for you to say what improvements you would make in Garswood for the people living there.

Why not!

The Bishop of Dover succeeded in showing herself up as a very ignorant person in the way that she constantly interuping Farage when he was speaking.

Even if she diid not agreed with his opinions, he was entitled to express them.!

Sadly, this has become a regular feature of Question Time as Fiona Bruce allows panelists to do it!

I think the BBC must think that Labour will keep the TV Licence system, and allow them to put the price up, thus increasing the BBC revenues, the Conservatives are minded to abolish the TV Licence, and that is why the BBC have such a left wing bias, which I find nauseating.

wot i find "nauseating" is your hero worship of farage .

OC as I said previously I would improve garswood (and the rest of of the country ) by getting rid of this inept Tory government now is that clear enough get matron to explain it to you now are you going to answer my question (hahaha)

When I was last in Garswood it looked alright to me

Whupsy

"wot i find "nauseating" is your hero worship of farage"

I don't get what your 'big beef' with Farage is about, why don't you like him ?

why do YOU .

Yes I doo

well i dont . dont like his politics , dont like his lying attitude & i dont like him . even if he,s the only one who likes the sound of his own voice .

Handsomeminer

What's the Tory government got to do with improving Garswood, surely that should be the job of the Labour Council.

And what is your quesation?

maybe the squeezing of peoples money , the withdrawal of funds from the council .

Garswood is one of the multitude of unintended consequences of the 1974 Local Government Reorganisation Act. The centres of the ‘new’ Metropolitan Authorities have taken too big a slice of the available funding at the expense of the outlying districts.

how would you know gaffer ? . with more so called "facts" by your lying beloved tory party getting it wrong on tax , AGAIN .

Whups have you ever had a day off from being nasty and ignorant? You’re an uncouth lout and should be banned from public discourse.

Whups, what Gaffer said is absolutely true. But, I thought Garswood is in a Parish, which should be its saving grace?

I still think Ashton in Makerfield should have a Town Council !

OC do you really not understand that local councils have one hand tied behind their back because of funding g cuts by this inept Tory government my question is the same one I've asked half a dozen times get matron to explain it to you

dont think garswood is in the parish . just downall gr.

Handsomeminer and Whups

That maybe so in in regard to the present Government's central funding, but how is that other local Labour controlled Councils and Labour MP's can get more things done than what they can in Wigan.

Perhaps having a massive majority of Councillors and and MP's also with massive majories and not having to fight to keep control of a Council and a Constiuency might have something to do with it!

A fact which will never change in Wigan, even under a Labour Government!

p.s. and coming out with stupid comments about matrons only shows the level of your interlect!

OC still no answer to my question from the closet Tory just more opinion confused with facts

Whups, “Garswood is a village in the Metropolitan Borough of St. Helens, Merseyside, England. The village is within the civil parish of Seneley Green.”

I don't know what all of the fuss is regarding Garswood

Handsomeminer

When are you going to get it into your head that I am not a Tory.

Just one of the many disenchantised voters who now see no difference between the Tory and Labour parties and want to see a major change away from both failed parties!

todger there,s not only labour councils going bankrupt . the tory ones are too & it,s ever since 2010 . i wonder why that is ? .

Still no answer OC

Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Tory, I am not a Whupsy.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Tory, I am not a Whupsy.
Tory, I am not a Whupsy.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.

Whups, it’s impossible for a local council to go bankrupt.

My own personal view...REFORM...Love him or hate him...remember Brexit ?...it won't happen ,..T'others. wouldn't Pee on em if they were afire

really try telling that to st helens council who have been forced to privitise virtually everything .

Ashton

The comments of people in Ashton show a lot of discontenment with polticians in general!

A feeling which no doubt not only applies to Ashton, but the country in general that nothing will change, irrespective of which party gets into power!

Ashton in Makerfield

A town with a wall down the middle of it ........

where,s the wall ? .

Whupsy said:

"where,s the wall ? ."


It runs down the middle of Gerard Street, from the junction with Warrington Road/Liverpool Road and Bryn Street to the junction with Wigan Road and Bolton Road

there,s no wall there . your talking about the boundry which is near the grammar school . none in the centere at all .

Another take on a Chinese wall.

Well I am not sure about that Gaffer, but I am referring to the fact that for most of the day, the traffic in Gerard Street is jammed up, and sometimes the jams continue up Bolton Road and Wigan Road, and if you need to drive to the other side of Ashton Town Centre, you have to get through that 'wall' and you don't mind doing it once or twice a day, but if every journey requires sometimes a two way fight through the wall, then that can seriously impact your quality of life.

Interesting.... I am watching Politics live Question by Jo Coburn is the labor party really now just the conservative party with the same policies......

no wall in gerard st .

Oh,,,,, but there is Whupsy, and it can be like the Labour Party support, in the Wigan and Makerfield constituencies, rock solid

Peter Israel:

"is the labor party really now just the conservative party with the same policies......

It would appear so, a common saying is that there is not a 'fag paper' between the policies of the Labour and Conservative parties.

TTS

There wasn’t a fag paper between Blair and Cameron.
For the past 14 years the Conservative leadership have been more New Labour than Conservative, aiming too much to the centre of the centre ground.

Gaffer

I think you mean between Blair and Major, but I remember in 1997 the Conservatives complaining about Labour pinching their policies, and the Labour Party being called Conservatives with Red Coats on.

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Shock horror LINK

TTS

No I meant Cameron. Boris Johnson, Theresa May and Rishi Sunak have followed the same script. There all liberals not a shred of red meat on them.

Gaffer

I see, well I am wondering how well Reform are going to do at this election.

What they ‘say’ they will do and what they ‘can actually do’ are two different things. They will say they will do what they think the majority of folk would me happy with.

Both major parties appearing to be no diffrent than each other started when Blair and his cronies Campbell and Mendalson created 'New Labour' and ditched left wing Socialist policies with a self proclaimed slogan of " If we can't beat them, we will join them"

It has taken the Tories to press the self destuct button to give 'New Labour', the chance of winning!

blair was a tory anyway . look at his upbringing .

Whupsy

Define what a Tory is ?

Yoo call folk Tories, even if they have never had a connection to the Tory Party, you use the word like an 'insult' to anyone who disagrees with you, you then refer to that person has a Tory.

So yoo describe what a Tory is ?

a tory is an uncaring money grabbing individual who,s sole aim in life is to give grief to the genaral public of who he makes his or her money from . just like we,ve seen in the last 14yrs with a PM & his wife are now more richer than the king of england . and i,ll make a prediction that sunak & his wife & family leave these shores as soon as they lose this general election .

Whups you missed out ,lying,

He also missed out sending soldiers to their death!! over a LIE
!Oops sorry that was SCUMBAG LABOUR! go on deny it pitmon

Whupsy

"is an uncaring money grabbing individual who,s sole aim in life is to give grief to the genaral public of who he makes his or her money from"

So anyone who disagrees with you, who you label has being a Tory, that is the opinion you have of them ?

TTS

‘are uncaring money grabbing individuals whose sole aim in life is to give grief to the general public from which they make their money’

BB 2024

Could of sworn it was parliament that sent em still glad you've got your foot out the telly

It's better to put ones foot in the telly than to put it in your mouth like thee lol obsessed with the Tories you are! Owd Maggie brought you lots down on your knees didn't she you tried to hold the country to random and a woman destroyed you

I worked in Engineering for most of my working life and you would be amazed at the number of apprentice trained skilled men who voted Tory.


I also had a neighbour who was a strong socialist and a
shop steward at a large printing works, but after taking a night school course in business administration, got a better paid job with a business systems company and suddenly became a Tory and even a supporter of Thatcher as well a moving away to a more wealthy district.


Money and the level of income decides the way that many vote!

Whups

So is Tory Tony who you and your pal voted for and now spends a great deal of his life in Tuscany!

nigel farage a man of the people??????

Nigel Farage

Peter Israel

Why don't you just find a clip of the full interview he did, rather than a clip which keeps cutting in with stupid comments, I personally don't agree with Nigel Farage's views as regards the Covid Pandemic and the Lockdowns and Vaccines program, I think Boris and the Tories did a good job in how they dealt with the Pandemic

TTS I am sure baroness mone or what ever her name is and the self employed who fraudulently claimed millions that's been wrote off would agree with you

Handsomeminer

So does the actions of those people, mean that Boris did a bad job with the Covid Pandemic ?

as usual eggflipper gets it wrong again . it was 650 MPs who voted for that iraq war . if they had,nt voted for it we would,nt be having this conversation .

just like you with your heroworship of farage 1stroke .

did,nt you vote for him todger ? . i re-itterate that iv,e never been a blair fan but if it meant getting rid of the torys i would vote that way .

Me to whups

Whups,

Never voted for him or the Labour Party at national and local level since he and his cronies Campbell and Mendelson ditched Socialism and created a party now no different than the Tories.

You only have to come in contact with some of the Labour Councillors in Wigan to know that they are anything but Socialist and only inerested in what they can get out of it like the Tories.

I don't for one minute think this Labour party is perfect but it's far more important for the future of this country to get rid of this corrupt, uncaring,incompetent self serving Tory
government and I am still waiting for someone to tell me what they've improved over the last 14 year

For me to vote labour…which I do….they would have to get rid of the deputy….awful…wouldn’t even approach her in the Moon Under Water…give me Rachael Reeves anytime

you must be joking roylew . angela is the girl for me coz she hates the torys as much as i do .

I like an both,still no answers to what the Tories have improved in 14 years of government.I suppose that says it all really

Whups

Not in the same class as Margaret Becket annd Harriet Harman!

Or even women MP's like hazel Briers, Betty Boothroyd, Barbara Castle, Gwyneth Dunwoody and even good old Bessie Braddock!

Handsomeminer

What the Tories have done in the last 14 years is carry out enough failings to keep yourself and Whups happy in calling them rotten nearly everyday while others have just got on with life in the knowledge that nothing will change under the other lot!

in your own opinion todger . mi ne is as it stands .

Whupsy

Supposing the new Labour Government decide to privatise the NHS, and make us both pay for our prescriptions

it wont happen . have you been listening to farage again .

Whups

Starmer has stated that he has no objection to people receiving private treatment from the NHS and Labour have no plans to re-join the EU.

Not exactly in line with your thinking on both issues, is it!

OC getting his opinion mixed up with facts again

Wes Streeting has defended Labour’s plans to use the private sector to help cut the NHS care backlog, arguing that a failure to do so would result in a “betrayal” of working-class people who cannot afford to pay for care.
DAILY MIRROR.
Lighten up, Handsome, your getting as bad as the Downhall 4 year old.

when he gets as bad as you brassneck then it,s time to worry . private treatment has ALWAYS been there for those who can afford it but your suggesting something more sinister arnt you .

Brassed off I am the Labour party propaganda attachee for Wigan world my job isn't finished yet

when he gets as bad as you brassneck then it,s time to worry .
A classic example of Whupsys searing wit!

Your reply was very eloquently written, Handsomeminer.

I wonder if Sunak has already bought his plane ticket ?

And has Starmer bought a few more of pairs of

flip/flops

do you "flip flop"fron ukip to reform .

Whupsy

In 18 days time, Kier Starmer will be getting ready to go to the Palace to meet the King, where the King will ask him to form the new Government, and from that moment onwards, Sir Kier Starmer will become the 58th Prime Minister of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

18 more sleeps Whupsy, and those awful Tories will be gone

" In 18 days time, Kier Starmer will be getting ready to go to the Palace to meet the King, where the King will ask him to form the new Government "

No. The Government will be the same. Parliament might change.

Institute for Government

The incumbent prime minister informs Buckingham Palace that they will be resigning. There is then a well-rehearsed sequence of events in which the outgoing prime minister travels to see the King and formally tenders his or her resignation. They have a short audience with the King.
After the outgoing prime minister has left, the incoming prime minister arrives and is formally asked by the King to form a government. This audience is known as ‘kissing hands’, though they are more likely to shake hands. After their appointment, the new prime minister heads straight to 10 Downing Street.

Parliament and Government are two separate institutions. There has been a 'Dissolution of Parliament', not Government. From 25th May, 2024, Government is in the hands of Appointed Civil Servants (like it usually is) and carries on accordingly.

i wish it was tomorrow .

But yoo have to be careful Whupsy, because sometimes 'Tomorrow never Comes'

My Wife and I who were not going to vote have now decided that we will be voting for local independant Councillor Maureen O'Bern who we know as a Wiganer WILL represent and fight in Parliament to improve things for the people of Wigan which has not been the case with the present career politician!

You cannot be serious?

Owd Codger

Owd Codger

You have on your ballot paper a decent Independant in the form of Maureen O'Bern, and what sounds to be a credible Looney in the form of The Zok, LINK but alas us in Makerfield have no such choice

Maureen O'Bern is not the first and will not be the last one to be wrongly sacked by the those who decide things on Wigan Council.

A diciplinary tribunal at the Council is more like a kangaroo court!

One employee in a decent paid job in Social Services ended up working on the buses as it was the only job he could get as a result of being wrongly sacked.

Taxes are going to go up, both Labour and the Tories are talking crap about tax LINK

who,s in the form 1stroke , nigel farage as he,s the only looney i know .

If the country is to get back on its feet after leaving the European Union taxes have got to be raised to get more money back into the economy. Where has the money gone what was pledged to our economy after leaving the European Union?

to tory hangers on like baroness mony . the farmers now know that they made a massive mistake by listening to the vote leave claptrap & voting to leave the EU & it,s subsidies & getting zero from the torys .

Whupsy

Ask the farmers if they want us to go back into the EU ?

Cheshire Puss said:

"If the country is to get back on its feet after leaving the European Union"

It is the Pandemic which has caused the economic problems, and the recovery from that was walloped by the Russians invading Ukraine, sending the price of energy through the roof, and disrupting the supply of grain from Ukraine to the rest of the world

CC

UK debt interest payments this financial year will be £89 billion. Prior to the financial crisis they were less than one third of the current figure. The increase is mainly due to the extra borrowing to cover the costs accruing from the financial crisis and Covid. It’s over £1 billion per week going to cover the increase in debt.

Gaffer, if all the countries (nations) in The World are in debt and are 'borrowing', who are they in debt to? and who are they borrowing off?

It's all on paper. Figures, made up and shuffled round. It's not 'money', as we know it. Money is only for 'us men'. It's an invention to keep us going, like ants. A tempter and a goal.

They call it "external debt".
External to The World? They must be in debt to the Moonmen then!!
World Debt League Division One.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15718)
Whupsy
"Ask the farmers if they want us to go back into the EU ?"

I think you will find that approx 70% of farmers do want to rejoin the European Union.

Tonker

£635 billion of UK debt is held by pension and insurance
funds. Individual UK investors hold £215 billion.

Tonker
We owe 9.65 trillion We owe more than any other European country. Thats brexit for you But yet we keep prolonging the war by pledging money to the Ukraine!

Cheshire Puss

Can yoo back up your claims with some facts please

CC

UK public sector net debt, the amount owed by the government, is £2.7 trillion.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15721)
Cheshire Puss
"Can yoo back up your claims with some facts please

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/jonty-bloom-westminster-farmers-protest-uk-brexit/
Is that enough proof for you, Tommy?

CC’s link

Cheshire Puss

"Is that enough proof for you, Tommy?"

No it is not, that is an extreme left wing pro EU rag which is talking a load of crap, this is what the farmers were protesting about LINK the farmers like a lot of other sectors in this country, think that the government could have handled Brexit better, Brexit gave the government the tools to do the job, but the government wouldn't or couldn't use those tools.

Thanks, Gaffer

Tommy
You have not even read my link. So its you whats talking a load of c..p!
And typing about wings. If I'm on the extreme left,, you are on the extreme right! Your uncritical, admiration of Farage knows no bounds.

If you want to talk sense, I'll join the party. If you want to talk c..p, i'll leave you to debate with yourself.

Cheshire Puss

You haven't got a cloo about what Nigel Farage stands for, because you have never bothered to listen to him, you are just a donkey, voting for any other donkey as long as it is a Labour Party donkey, why don't you try and 'think' about things, and use your brain to work things out, instead of just going along with the crowd, you should try it sometime, because you might enjoy having a mind and opinions of your own.

I'll leave you to debate with yourself.

One for TTS's album.

Meeeeeee Owwwwwww

I like that

Now my turn.

Gaffer, that would definitely put a stop to anybody throwing banana-flavoured milkshake over him !

Why worry,after the 4th of July which ever party wins we are going to the land of milk and honey with their promises.As tonker says my arse.

As long as we get rid of this bunch of lying self serving spiv s things will improve it will take donkeys years to get this country back on its feet ,,if we ever do,, because the Tories have run it into the ground

hear hear handsome miner .

Its Lions like Clement and Winston that we need to lead the country instead of more Donkies!

I watched the Leaders Debate last night on the BBC but not the first two, the pratt Ed Davey and that Scottish pillock, I hate the SNP

I thought that Fiona Bruce actually did a good job in presenting the debate, when she asked both Kier Starmer and Rishi Sunak difficult questions, and for the BBC it seemed to be an 'unbiased' debate, which is unusual for them.

But I thought that Kier Starmer's performance bordered on it being a car crash event for him, for me he didn't come across very well at all.

Rishi Sunak was his usual slick, saying all the right things, but who in reality actually does nothing at all .....

sunak my god . slick in your dreams & it shows where your loyalty lies 1stroke .

Whupsy said:

"it shows where your loyalty lies 1stroke"

And it shows where your brains lie Whupsy, and a cloo to that is that you are sat on them most of the time

at least i have some brains unlike you who follows farage like a pet dog .

Whupsy

Well Farage is certainly the man of the moment in this country, so it will be interesting to see how many votes Reform pick up at the election, and will Mr Farage be elected MP for Clacton ?

But as I have said before, it never happens, it just always comes down to a contest between Labour and the Conservatives, and the fringe parties just don't have the support there in order to change things.

man of the moment my arse . 7 failures speaks for itself 1stroke & i cant see any difference this time either for the egotist farage who is for himself ALWAYS . did,nt the torys ethnic cleanse london & move all the immigrants to clacton ? . can you see them voting for a racist bigot like farage .

Whupsy

Did you watch Nigel Farage's interview with Nick Robinson last night ?

It was alright, Nick Robinson allowed Farage to put his point of view across, rather than the usual BBC 'cancel' Farage culture, and left wing bias.

But watching and reading BBC news today, I think that they are now worried that the interview
may have helped Nigel Farage a lot more than they would have wished for.

Now folk can twist what Nigel Farage says around to suit their own narrative, but it will be up to the electorate of this country to decide if Nigel Farage has got the right ideas about how the country should be run, and I am not convinced that Nigel Farage and Reform have got the answers right has regards which way the government should run the country, and it is irrelevant anyway, because it will be five years before Reform could be in a position to run the country, and it probably won't exist by then

Yoo see Whupsy, I think that Nigel Farage should carry on doing what he has been doing, which is being a political commentator, and as such he has kept the government on it's toes or as much has it has been possible to keep a 'lame' government on it's toes.

I suppose it would be good if the SNP gets wiped out in Scotland, and Reform get a number of MPs elected, who as the third largest party in the House of Commons, take their seats in the same places, which those Scottish pillocks have been sitting in for the last five years

yes i did & robinson took him apart . and you want this idiot to have a say in how our country is run . he wants you to pay at the doctors for treatment then claim it back on an insurance claim . how many dodgy insurance companies do you know ? . i would,nt piss on him if he was on fire . all he does is spead fear & anger amongs us all . neighbour against neighbour is all farage is about . conned you into voting brexit then comes on tv & says brexit isnt working after spreading his lies & bile to the gullible like you .

He sure knows how to liven debate up in a boring campaign!

Whupsy

I don't think that Nick Robinson took Nigel Farage apart at all, I thought that Nick Robinson was very good in that he allowed Nigel Farage to answer all of the questions put to him, instead of the usual interviewer interrupting with another question, before the person has had chance to answer the first question, but people like you Whupsy are not interested in what Nigel Farage has to say, you only hear the question.

But the British population 'listened' to the answers which Nigel Farage gave on prime time television on a Friday evening, and it is 'they' who will decide on the 4th July who's answers they liked the most.

But to reiterate what I have said on many occasions now, which is that I don't agree with a lot of things that Nigel Farage says, I don't particularly like Richard Tice, but I hope that they win a some seats in the new Parliament, so that just in the same way Reform and Nigel Farage have livened and shaken up this 'awful' general election, they can do the same in the House of Commons by being a good opposition party, and keeping Labour on their toes, when they assume power on the 5th July 2024

in your dream & it,s wot i expect from a hero worshiper like you . totally brain dead & blinkered arnt you . now he,s got reform members affiliating themselves with the national front & guys who says that britian shud have been neutral in world war 2 . wot a bunch of losers & dead legs this lot are & being led by the biggest loser of all NIGEL FARAGE who does the best impersonation of a wide mouth frog iv,e ever seen .

HI There TOMMY TWO STOKE ?//////
I am not nor do i want to get into a slanging debate with you Tommy on this particular subject which is ((fiona )( interrupting ) (bruce) . AS for a responsible chairperson I regard her as the worst -ever to host any of these forums or for that matter Question Time too!! I Base my claim on the fact is she is always interuppting on Q/T she will say a member of the audience asks a question ,then she in turn asks one of the panel guests to respond , This is were she then decides to frame the question and then it is her who actually ends up asking the damn question , i noticed when she had the threeleaders in turn she does exactly the same and not letting the person who is asked answer ,when one looks back at previous hosts she is for me anyway (WELL OUT OF HER DEPTH) I cannot watch her chair any programes in the future again for me she just spoils it all and never lets the guest's reply to the original questionaire > There you go Tommy RANT over !
g.b.

Golden Bear

I think the same of Fiona Bruce as you do, exactly the same actually, but last Thursday she seemed to be doing it a bit better, and she pressed them both on answering some difficult questions, but normally she does exactly what you said, she takes the question from the audience and frames it in her own words, but she does actually know in advance what the questions are going to be, the panel do not.

This is Robert Kenyon who is the Reform candidate for the Makerfield constituency



LINK

Amongst other things he has done, he is now a Plumber, so I wonder if Tom knows him

trying it on again 1stroke . next you,ll be denying that your trying to sway people on here like you did with ukip . a wasted vote if ever i saw one .

Well just a week to go Whupsy

About this time next Friday, Rishi will be on his way to the Palace to see and say goodbye to the King

And then it will be your fella's turn, to go and say "awreet" to the King and become Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

i,m voting for the party 1stroke unlike you who will be voting for farage .

Part time Prime Minister. Starmer says he will clock off at 6pm. Best tell Russia or the US to ring back later then

If sooner have a part time starmer than a bunch of full time lying ,self serving spivs

Everybody I know is voting for Nigel....some people are going to be upset at the end of tomorrow....then the poor excuses will start...boo-hoo

in your DREAMS .

I voted for Reform last Thursday

another wasted vote .

I really am looking forward to seeing how the 'share of the vote' is distributed in this general election, because after six weeks, it seems to me that a lot of it has still been about Brexit, the Remainers are for Labour and The LibDems, but the Leavers are either sticking with the Tories or turning to Reform.

So how is it going to play out in the 'Red Wall' seats like Leigh ?

We know that Labour will win in those seats, but how many of those traditional Labour voters, who turned to the Tories in 2019 to get Brexit done (which they did) will they all go back to Labour or will a significant number go to Reform ?

According to the latest opinion polls, the predicted large landslide for Labour will just be a smaller rockfall!

Well - it's tomorrow! I live in a constituency that has swung from Labour to Conservative and back several times over the years. Currently Conservative. Here's hoping it swings back to Labour tomorrow

REFORM YA NUMPTIES.

I said a while back that in this country at general elections, it does not matter where these fringe parties have come from, the choice is always between Labour and the Tories, and according to the polls this general election is going to be no different, because if Reform does well and gets 16% of the vote they will end up with 7 MP's and if the LibDems do worse than Reform with 11% of the vote, then they will end up with 55 MP's, so work that one out

But as regards to having a Proportional Representation (PR) voting system, that leads to perpetual 'Hung Parliaments'

So it's a reet bugger

who the hell wants to be a right wing tory racist like farage . get real .

Well Whupsy, today's the day

Well Whupsy, today is still the day, and it will be until tomorrow, and then today will then be yesterday, until the day after tomorrow, when today, will be the day before yesterday

It would appear that we do indeed need a better and more democratic voting system when a left wing party is elected into government on the strength of a landslide when half the country has been split between two right wing parties or have not voted at all, even in traditional safe seats!

Percentage Turn Out in the three Wigan Constituencies:-
Leigh 51.7%, Makerfield 52.8%, Wigan 52.9%

Reform have done well in all three of the Wigan Constituencies, coming in second with a large amount of votes.

Wigan - LINK

Makerfield - LINK

Leigh & Atherton - LINK

Tommy Two Stroke

And if you add together, the total votes of the Conservative, Reform and local Independant Councillor Maureen O'Bern, it is more than Lisa Nandy got in the Wigan Constiuency by 1,717.

TTS, there is only ONE Wigan constituency, Not three.

yes & how many did they WIN .

Four

in wigan.

todger conservative & reform are both TORY.

Owd Codger

Well the share of the vote and the corresponding amount of MP's created by those votes.

Labour - 35% = 421
Conservatives - 25% = 121
Reform - 15% = 4
LibDem - 13% = 71
Green - 7% = 4

Reform get a larger share of the vote than the LibDem's but only get 4 MP's, and the LibDems end up with 71 MP's.

That is crazy, however a PR system of voting would lead to hung parliaments, so wot doo yoo doo ......

i see your not answering my question 1stroke . HOW MANY IN WIGAN .

Whupsy

Are yoo happy now

Whups

I know they are, and if Reform had not been created and divided the Conservative vote between those on the right and those on the extreme right, the majority for Labour would have been nearer to the rockfall rather than the landslide.

And Tommy Two Stroke is correct in what he has said about the percentages of each party bearing no relation to the numer of seats won by each party, but he missed out how the party was helped in Scotland by wiping out the SNP which was a big help towards the landslide and also the fact that many of the electorate did not bother to vote.

As a result of what took place yesterday, the country is now more divided than ever.

Posted by: Owd Codger (3326)
"and also the fact that many of the electorate did not bother to vote."

Its a good job they didn't otherwise it would have been an ever bigger landslide victory for Labour
Try to be a bit more magnanimous in defeat

Cheshirecat.

I think you find that most of those who did not vote are either those who never vote in any election or are fed up of hearing the same false promises and lies in every election.

And I only made comments about the facts and figures about yesterday which has nothing to do with being magnanimous in defeat, especially when you have never voted for the party which yourself and some others think I support and vote for.

p.s. How is Alice going on?

The voter turnout was 60% that was 8% lower than in 2019

Posted by: Owd Codger (3327)
Cheshirecat.
"I think you find that most of those who did not vote are either those who never vote in any election or are fed up of hearing the same false promises and lies in every election."

^^^
And I also think that you will find no evidence of the above hypothetical waffle
Unless you did an exit poll on every household in the UK whom did not bother to exit their house to vote

Cheshirecat

According to Tommy Two Stroke, the average turn out was only 60% which means that the other 40% did not vote for whatever reason other than what I have suggested.

No need for any exit poll at every house when you only have to add two figures together!

Happy to see that Angela Rayner is now in a position of power.
The woman has some fire in her belly.

jathbee

She also knows as a politician how to get pass the tax laws!

Posted by: Owd Codger (3329)
Cheshirecat
"According to Tommy Two Stroke, the average turn out was only 60% which means that the other 40% did not vote for whatever reason other than what I have suggested."

Can I suggest something?
I suggest that people didn't bother to vote as this result was a foregone conclusion before the ballot papers were even printed!
It was always going to be a Labour landslide victory!

And before you ask, I didn't vote Labour., but, at least I voted. And I say good luck to them. I'm sure they will improve our country after they have cleaned up the mess that the previous bunch have left them to tidy up

She wrong to do it. No excuses for her. I certainly hope she's learned from it. But it doesn't make her any the less of a firebrand. And in my opinion an asset to the Labour party. Time will tell. I sure hope I don't have to eat my words. And now just officially been appointed Deputy PM.

Cheshirecat

On your last comment, I agree and we can only hope it happens!

Perhaps, they will even keep the price of milk down.

And perhaps, they may, only may, stop you moaning about the state of the country once they have cleaned up 14 years of debris, carnage and instability left by previous disgraceful tenants

Reform have won another seat, they have now got five LINK

‘Over 400 seats from just 30% of the vote with a 60% turnout, is that really a victory?’

Posted by: cheshirecat (1100) View cheshirecat's page

And perhaps, they may, only may, stop you moaning about the state of the country once they have cleaned up 14 years of debris, carnage and instability left by previous disgraceful tenants

Stop Todger moaning??

There isnt a single entity on this planet capable of such a thing

Big Gap LINK

you,ve STILL not answered my question 1stroke . HOW MANY IN WIGAN .

stardelta

The only moaning I do is not seeing you still not managing to get your head up where the sun does not shine,

May I recomend some WD40!

Have you answered the question yet Todger?

Do you need a reminder?..,,,ANOTHER one?

Perhaps some WD40 down one of your ear holes might help get that memory of yours freed up somewhat???

Oh dear, from the tone of the comment of the local Oozlum Bird,it looks like his feathers have been ruffled!

ps. If WD40 is not helping, Oozzle Bird should try some Three in one oil!

And still no answer from the angry xenophobic racist gobsh***te eh Todge.

and still no answer to the question, "are you one or related to one" and there should be no accusations of me being a xenophobic racist gobsh*** when I have stated that members of my family, relatives and friends know I am not one.

The only gobsh*** on here is youself hiding behind a user name as many other posters have intimated!

I have told you many times I have no relationship to anyone from another nation Todge, I hope on this occasion you actually take note and the statement goes in.

If you are not actually a racist xenophobic bigot Todge ………are you just pretending to be one?

And on another note Todger…… have you ever used another identity in here??

yes and no answer from 1stroke either . seems he cant find the words on how the racist reform party did in wigan & how many seats they won there ? .

Whupsy

There? or do you mean Here?

you know where i mean racist .

Whups

What are you on about, I have never said anything about supporting or even voting for the Reform Party, only that if you combine the percentage vote of the two right wing parties together, they are only a few percentage behind Labour and if you then add the increased percentage of those who voted Liberal Democrat to the opposition vote the so called landslide was not what it seemed with our present first pass the post voting system.



Instead of being one of stardelta's' lap dogs you should be concerned about Starmer and the party for whom you have just voted saying that they welcome the inclusion of the private sector into the NHS which you are always bleating about!

Todger?

You seem to be overlooking my questions again!

Have you ever used an alternative name in this group?

If you didn't vote you can't complain, I along with very many others voted for Reform.

Prime Minister, Kier Starmer's first Press Conference LINK

get yer facts right todger there,s nothing on my post about you .

you must have a yellow streak a mile wide down your back 1stroke . answer the question . how many seats did racist reform win in wigan .

cowardly as usual .

The recent general election clearely showed that we need to have a fairer system of voting than the First Past The Post system.



Under FPTP, the number of seats and percentages of how the electorate voted were as follow:-

Labour 411 seats 33.7%
Conservatives 121 seats 23.7%
Reform 5 seats 14.3 %
Liberal Democrats 72 seats 12.2%



Under PR, the voting for the number of seats gained by the four main parties would have been as follows:-

Labour 236 seats
Conservatives 157 seats
Reform 94 seats
Liberal Democrats 77 seats



If you are unhappy about the present system of FPTP which is not a true representation of the voting of the electorate, where 57.8% did not vote and want to see a more fairer system, the Electoral Reform Society are running a petition to get unfair FPTP system abolished.


As it should be if we claim to be the true democracy!

Todger?

You’re back

There was referendum in 2011 as to whether the UK public wished to change from a 'First Past The Post' electoral system, to a 'Proportional Representation' electoral system, and the public rejected the idea of having a 'Proportional Representation' system LINK

There was referendum in 2011 as to whether the UK public wished to change from a 'First Past The Post' electoral system, to a 'Proportional Representation' electoral system, and the public rejected the idea of having a 'Proportional Representation' system LINK