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Started by: Billinge Biker (2383) 

Wigan clowncil has stated that archeological surveys are now taking place on the demolition site to search for Roman and medieval artefacts on the galleries site. Another waste of our council taxes....why not do it before they built the thing in the first place....I'm off to Rwanda....get everything there

Started: 5th Dec 2023 at 19:30

Posted by: Stardelta (11790)

“I'm off to Rwanda”

Do you need a lift to the airport??

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 19:33

Posted by: AngelWood (1038)

It was part of the planning conditions as it is for most big builds these days. I for one hope they find some interesting things, but unlike the bath house dig, maybe this time we will see some preservation.

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 20:23

Posted by: PeterP (11125)

This should have been done before the Galleries where built. How deep did they dig to build the underground service area also the foundations for the car park unless they are prepared to go down a long way (50-60 ft) the archaeology has long gone I hope they find something but I am not holding my breath

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 22:13

Posted by: grimshaw (3968) 

Star d..

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 23:16

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

PeterP

"This should have been done before the Galleries where built. How deep did they dig to build the underground service area"

That deep Peter


LINK



Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 00:18

Posted by: Owd Codger (2959)

If they dig deep enough, they might even find the actual white elephant which prompted the idea of the Galleries!

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 07:32

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2383) 

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Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 07:47

Posted by: Stardelta (11790)

“If they dig deep enough, they might even find the actual white elephant which prompted the idea of the Galleries”

And if they go even deeper Todge they might find your sense of humour!

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 13:08

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

Rumour has it on some of the Facebook sites, that it is the Council that have paid the eight million pounds it is costing to demolish The Galleries, no money has been received from the Chinese for it.

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 13:54

Posted by: peebee (723) 

Maybe they haven't got a yen for it.

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 15:55

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2383) 

TTS...Are we surprised

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 19:16

Posted by: Owd Codger (2959)

star delta

Anyone would think that you are connected with the Council, the way you get so upset if anyone says anything negative or makes a joke about it.

As for humour, you never seemed to have any apart from sarcasm which is regarded as the lowest form of wit!

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 07:03

Posted by: Stardelta (11790)

Oh I dunno Todge.

I think I get more laughs than you

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 10:39

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2383) 

Whenever the chain is flushed ..the "Turd" surfaces.

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 11:49

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

It'll be allreet if all we end up with after this redevelopment, is a big hole in the ground.

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 12:00

Posted by: peter israel (2083) 

Here is an interesting fact they have never found anything in any archeological dig relating to the story's in the bible or torah in Israel
and that is a problem because the jews always says god gave us the land because it says so in the torah......

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 21:32

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

What about the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' LINK ?

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 22:39

Posted by: peter israel (2083) 

'Dead Sea Scrolls ???? is not from the bible??? it's not the tablet for the 10 commandments..... they have found period pieces coins ,pottery, mosaic we have masada from 35bc .... But there is nothing been found that has correlation with the bible story's

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 23:23

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

Are yoo sure about that ?

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 23:39

Posted by: peter israel (2083) 

yes

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 07:52

Posted by: Owd Codger (2959)

star delta

Sarcasm is not the kind of humour we want to see or here!

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 08:31
Last edited by Owd Codger: 8th Dec 2023 at 08:34:47

Posted by: Stardelta (11790)

We?

Who is this ‘we’ you are talking about?

Do you represent every one?

I could say ‘we’ don’t want to see your endlessly cynicism and derogatory, offensive and ignorant comments on an almost daily basis either.

….but I am not. Instead I am just going to carry on making a fool out of you instead

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 13:02

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 13:49

Posted by: owdfettler (29)

The only thing they will find there is the old river Douglas tidal river bed.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 11:39

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

owdfettler

I think that they will be excavating the bottom corner of The Galleries, at the junction of Market Street and New Market Street, which at that location is about 124ft above sea level LINK so it would have had to have been a bloody high tide to get up the River Douglas to near to that location, and in olden times the River Douglas was navigable as far as Wigan, but I am not sure of it being 'tidal' as far up as Wigan

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 13:33
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 10th Dec 2023 at 13:36:31

Posted by: owdfettler (29)

Tommy,When they were pile driving for the galleries on the old market square it was deep and it was wet sand with old sea shells still there ,and the site engineer said it was still moving, the sand that is,I know this because I was there when he said it and I saw the sand and shells .

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 15:04

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

owdfettler,

The limestone pavements atop the Pennines in North Yorkshire, once were on the sea bed, just as were the Dolomite limestones in The Pyrenees . It does not mean that the seas came over the mountains though.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 15:20
Last edited by ena malcup: 10th Dec 2023 at 15:40:46

Posted by: orrellite (2427)

Sorry to introduce some facts into the geology for you but here goes

genarally in that central area and extending into Mesnes St New Market Street as far as Hallgate ,below the initial 1m of overburden lies approx 7m of saturated and mobile sand down to rockhead . Hence the replacement of the old sewer beneath the Market Hall which was driven along Mesnes Street /New Market Street to Hallgate was tunneled using compressed air to control and prevent inundation of the drive . Sea shells I dont recall any .
Incidentally I was there

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 15:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 16:15

Posted by: owdfettler (29)

I assure you I was not seeing things.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 16:49

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

When I lived in Lincolnshire, I could dig about three feet in my garden to encounter shell bearing sand.

When considering geology though, you have to be prepared to consider very long time scales. In this case, the theory is that once upon a time the Lincolnshire Wolds were continuous with the Yorkshire Wolds. They hence dammed the water courses, to create the inland sea: the putative source of this sand. The inland sea disappeared when what we now know as the Humber breached this barrier.

Depth is not a reliable indicator. Just think of the coal seams: remnants of what was once tropical, but they outcrop in Orrell and in Bryn.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 17:15
Last edited by ena malcup: 10th Dec 2023 at 17:16:58

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15095)

owdfettler

I believe you, I am sure that where The Galleries was located, it will have been on a former course of the River Douglas at some time in the past, the Molluscs which lived in the shells probably migrated up from the sea, or they were freshwater Molluscs

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 17:28

Posted by: Stardelta (11790)

How do we know it was the Douglas? Could it not have been some other body of water or water course now long lost?

The last ice age was about 20,000 years ago which in terms of the earths history is a heartbeat.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 17:50
Last edited by Stardelta: 10th Dec 2023 at 17:53:20

Posted by: orrellite (2427)

O C I was not in anyway doubting you, over the years we encountered many things at depth which were more than puzzellimg ie hazelnuts, acorns,deer antlers and in one section a forest area of logs all about 8m deep under the glacial drift.
Tunnel miners on bonus would not think twice about reporting things which would delay their progress.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 17:57

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

Presumably, there exists somewhere a sample of this sand, which will allow geologists to have some idea of its origin.

Replied: 10th Dec 2023 at 18:06

 

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