See roylews post saying it was bigest mistake he ever made voting to leave Eu, tend to agree with that Roy knowing what we were told then and the way things are now and going worse everyday wonder if a few more will admit they were conned and wished they changed the vote
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spoken like a true bigot 1stroke .
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 15:05
They will not admit they were dim enough to have succombed to the brexit propaganda whups.
Propaganda backed by the Russian rouble .
And they fell for it hook line and sinker .
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 15:33
I have no idea whether GB is better off, or worse off, in, or out of the EU.
So, I did not vote in the referendum.
Sadly, I did conclude though, that the referendum was being used as a proxy for other conflicts which people were waging.
I do hear many people express the same sentiments as Roylew has.
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 15:38
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I am anything but a Bigot
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 16:23
ena…. I did exactly the same, did not vote. I concluded there was good and bad in or out, so not able to come to a firm decision. I think most people voted on a handful of seemingly important issues at the time.
I have also not voted at any election local and national for years, preferring trying to adjust my living style to whatever the election result is.
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 16:55
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If I had felt that I had an adequate information set to reach a conclusion, then I would have voted.
I did purposefully seek information.
It appeared to me, that the last thing any of the vested interests wanted was for voters to consider reaching any LOGICAL conclusion.
It was completely polarised, truth gone out the window, exercise in emotive manipulation: people endorsing ridiculous statements. Had they stopped to think, they would know them not to be true, but hey, what use is truth, when we can wave a flag for our side.
I think this skulduggery will come back to bite you in the bum!
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 17:18
did,nt you extol the virtues of your hero nigel farrage & there,s no bigger bigot than him .
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 17:45
Just read his biog: "One Party after another" says the younger Farage liked to approach Jewish people, give a Nazi salute whilst singing "gas them all, gas them all".....
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 17:53
An acolyte of both Putin and Trump!
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 18:04
Farage is not a politician and as such should have been ignored.
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 18:16
Sonlyme farage was a politician left Tory party in 1992 formed ukip then went on to be m.e.p for European parliment ,check your facts
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 18:44
So what is wrong with Brexit ?
Let us have some facts.
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 19:02
There were plenty of politicians who should also have been ignored.
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 19:04
Brexit wasn't around 30 years when Farage left the party.Get your facts right,
nobody in this country voted to join the eu either.W?e voted,me included to join the european economic community.A free trade bloc.
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I voted to stay in, not for my sake but for the future of this small island we live on, as I don't think it can stay an island off Europe for ever, Briton should have pushed harder from with in the EU
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 20:08
good post dougie.
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i think i posted this a long time ago!! i remember being sat in a cafe in Paris reading this and thinking to myself how in hell did they find Wigan
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But we haven't left Europe, we have left the EU, and we are still trading with the EU, and in fact if the ferries could be getting their act together, and put on more ferries, we would be doing a lot more trade in Europe.
It is still early days as regards Brexit, so I am puzzled as to why some folk on here think it has gone 'wrong' I am giving it five years before I decide if the Brexit thing has worked, and that will be on January 31st 2026
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 21:10
Does anyone think that the emergence of Covid so soon after the vote could have had a detrimental effect of what Brexit was supposed to achieve?
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 21:12
TTS: The problem is that Brexit hasn't been done fully, as we hoped it would be. The immigration is appalling and France is punishing us. Plus the NI protocol is causing problems and the PM should just get on with it and show some round ones. He's got an 82 majority, well 81 now, and he's wasted it.
I think there will be problems in the EU now, Spain, Greece and Portugal are ganging up, saying they don't want to be the third members and Germany is showing herself to be a vassal state of Russia.
Replied: 27th Apr 2022 at 21:22
so where,s that £350 mill per week for the NHS gone 1stroke . food shortages well before covid . all the promises made by the "get brexit done" gang are broken . i wonder wot the farmers feel after falling for the lies & the promise that they would get the same as they got from the EU ? .
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 00:04
Your right whups, the Tory party and Nigel farage hated europe .the get Brexit brigade didn't realise trade makes the world go round,now we are on the outside looking in .
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Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 11:28
Reliving the referendum debate.
Problems caused by Covid or Brexit ?
Problems caused by Putin or Brexit ?
We are never going to agree on the above so why bother, it is history, it has been done, you know what I think about it, and I know what you think about it.
Immigration at the moment is quite high, lots of people are emigrating here from none EU countries, because there are opportunities to be had in this country, immigration is running at a higher rate now, than what it was just before Brexit, but the difference is that the people coming here to work, must have the correct documentation, and to get that documentation, they have to apply for it whilst still resident in their own country, and they must have been accepted, and have that correct documentation before they can travel here.
That is controlled immigration, and we need it, and not to be confused with the illegal immigrants coming across the channel in boats.
As regards Northern Ireland, is the thing working, and the only trouble is that the Unionists just don't like it, for sectarian reasons.
It is nearly 15 months since we were fully out of the EU, after the year long transition period, so without Covid or Putin, if those two things had not occurred, I think that 15 months, or if you like 27 months, is just not long enough to say whether Brexit has been to the benefit of this country, or it has been to the detriment of this country.
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 14:19
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"Immigration at the moment is quite high, lots of people are emigrating here from none EU countries, because there are opportunities to be had in this country,"
"Problems caused by Putin or Brexit ?"
Two questions for you, Tommy.
What opportunities are to be had in this country And also what has Putin got to do with Brexit
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 15:23
As regards northern Ireland Boris Johnson read the deal agreed to it and signed it throwed them to the wolves nothing to do with sectarianism
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 15:52
What exactly do you mean by "thrown to the wolves" ?
Lastly first, "what has Putin got to do with Brexit" nuthin, zilch, Putin has got absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
Firstly last, "What opportunities are to be had in this country" Jobs, lots of jobs, lots of professional jobs, and as regards other opportunities, this is a topic of mine which explains more LINK
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 16:28
TTS: Why do you engage them. I have had discussions with family and friends who are remainers and all they do is shout. When I ask them to come up with serious comments, they never do. For instance, we gave £54m to France to deal with the people traffickers and they did nothing, their boats nudged the illegals into our waters. Is that not against international law?
France and Germany supporting Putin, (I know that has nothing to do with Brexit) but it is a reason many voted to leave.
The vote result took them by surprise, (the remainers told lies too) and they can't now move on and get a good, really good, Brexit, which is very much within capability and everybody's interests.
Keep going TTS, if you have to.
Btw, how are the chickens? Are they still in the barn?
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 17:51
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"Britain is to become a Spacepower, we will be launching spacecraft from the Shetland Islands"
Are these the jobs Tommy which you mentioned on your topic, Tommy ?
The job centres can't cope with the amount of applications
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Platty the Home Secretary gave France the money.Don’t you think it’s her duty to get value for money?
From Sky,“Priti Patel defends giving France £54m to tackle migrant Channel crossings
Ms Patel said patrols of French beaches have doubled and the money will be used on intelligence sharing as the numbers of migrants crossing the Channel continues to rise.”
I voted remain and out of 5 discussing brexit in the pub before the vote I was the only one. Three have now changed their minds!
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 19:10
I bet they have too
Fossil, yoo tell fibs
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 19:34
TTS ,one thing I don't do is tell lies as I leave that to the likes of Johnson a proven liar on Brexit and everything else to be honest,and yoo fell for it!!
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 19:46
There are several Spaceports planned to be built in the UK, and construction has started at one which will be a test facility for the Spaceport which is to be built in Sutherland, LINK which is at the top of Scotland, 35 miles away from the old Dounreay Nuclear Power Station LINK
Those rocket pads in Scotland will be good for launching satellites into Polar Orbits, and another Spaceport is Spaceport Cornwall LINK
Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic is going to be launching satellites from Spaceport Cornwall this summer LINK
The associated industries and spinoffs from Spaceports can generate a lot of wealth for a country, Britain already builds a significant number of satellites, and soon Britain will not only be building them, but launching them and controlling them, and it makes you wonder where the Mission Control facilities will be located, it won't be in Cornwall or the North of Scotland, I suppose they could be in London, but maybe Manchester or Liverpool will be in the running, because I can see rockets being built in the new technology corridor, which is being built by Peel Holdings and the Government along the River Mersey in between Warrington And Liverpool, so rockets could be being built in Warrington, and floated on pontoons from Liverpool to Spaceports around the country.
So I would imagine if such a scenario panned out, the control facilities for UK Spacecraft might be located nearby in Manchester, 'Mission Control Manchester'
It sounds far-fetched that doesn't it, but these things are going on in this country, and now we don't have any stupid EU regulations standing in the way of such projects, so would it not be better for the media to be reporting on positive news like the UK Space program, rather than bitching on about Boris having a drink and piece of cake
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 20:32
Too late now.................thankfully.....
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"It sounds far-fetched that doesn't it,"
I agree with you 100% on that
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 22:04
Go on tommy, tell him all about the UFOs and the little green men!
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 22:35
I posted 'links' with my post, and the UK Space Program does exist, in fact we now have a UK Space Command LINK
At one point do you stop thinking that it is far-fetched ?
When a rocket is launched from one of the Spaceports ?
As regards UAP (unexplained aerial phenomena) well that is a separate topic.
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 23:31
they did,nt tell as many as johnson & his co horts with lord snooty lying to the queen . and they are still at it.
Replied: 28th Apr 2022 at 23:57
"TTS ,one thing I don't do is tell lies"
If yoo was Pinocchio, your nose would be ten foot long
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 11:56
So what happened to Johnson's so called " oven ready deal " ? He is nothing but a con merchant, he tells lie after lie after lie and working class idiots fall for it and vote Tory! Unbelievable!
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it,s still in the oven .
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"Lastly first, "what has Putin got to do with Brexit" nuthin, zilch, Putin has got absolutely nothing to do with Brexit."
That is not what our state security services say about the matter.
I have previously posted details on here,
They recommended an inquiry into how Russia influenced the result!
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 12:34
Well let us deal with some facts, instead of rhetoric.
How did Russia influence the result of the referendum ?
Yoo stated that there were food shortages, well before covid, well there were no food shortages, in fact what happened was that a lot of goods were stockpiled ahead of Brexit on the 31st January 2021, and because of that, there were shortages of warehouse space, particularly cold storage space, that was because as we approached Brexit, no trade deal with the EU had been agreed, so no, there was no 'oven ready' deal waiting with the EU as Boris stated during the 2019 November general election, you can have that one, however a deal was agreed and signed on the 30th December 2020 LINK
So Whupsy, the deal was done before Brexit, it might not have been oven ready, and it needed some preparation, but in the end it was cooked, with just a month to spare
And yes, Boris does tell lies
But how can you say that Brexit has failed ?
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If yoo was Pinocchio, your nose would be ten foot long
What a stupid response!
I remember someone telling me that if people kept doing stupid things there is a good chance they are stupid!
You fit the bill
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 12:59
FACT most of the security report is redacted, so the likes of you and I cannot see what they said to government, but what is not redacted is they recommended an investigation.
Boris is of course, likely to take such advice.
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 13:07
But where is the proof ?
You believe that Russia influenced the result of the referendum, and if it were not for the Russians, we would still be in the EU.
But from your earlier snide comment about UFO's and little green man, I would take it that you don't believe in UAP.
I would put it to yoo, that there is much more 'proof' in the truth that UAP exists, and is as a result of extra terrestrial visitation to our planet, by aliens, there is much more proof of that, than there is proof of Russia influencing the result of the referendum.
You are believing what it suits you to believe, rather than believing based on facts, even if that belief is not what you want to believe.
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 14:18
You have no idea what I believe. And I have not disclosed my beliefs on here.
What a demonstration of arrogance on your behalf.
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 15:07
Can you help tt I saw a strange thing this morning flying over wigan large body with a blonde mop of hair he can't fly to,unless you know say so
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 15:12
"You have no idea what I believe. And I have not disclosed my beliefs on here.
What a demonstration of arrogance on your behalf "
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looking for excuses 1stroke & you know there was shortages as i had them & you know it . so tell us where all the promises have gone with the "get brexit done" goons ? .
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 17:48
The shortages yoo were winging about from Iceland, were caused by the Covid pandemic, the Delta variant at the back end of 2021, which originated in India, and then spread to Britain, caused France to shut their borders with Britain, and that caused some shortages.
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 18:18
Ask the Irish folk and the fishermen of Britain, especially the south coast fishermen, what Johnson's Brexit deal has done for them. He has shafted them good style!
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 18:25
Still sorry I voted out…I feel more European than British…no explanation please
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 18:57
So we should have stopped in the EU, so as not to upset the Irish ?
Would the Irish stop in anything, so as not to upset us ?
When there was all the bother going on after the referendum, when Theresa May was keeping us in the EU, in all but name, with that soddin deal she kept putting before parliament, and the EU was trying to get us to vote again, the Irish were trying to be the big cheese, because they had some big lads behind them (the EU) the Irish were a pain in the bottom.
As regards the fishing, I can't be arsed with it, the French aren't happy with it, but the French aren't happy with anything we doo.
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 19:51
TT your remarks are very insulting about the irish ,they supported in 2 world wars when we needed them you need to look on the cenotaph at wigan , your now spouting rubbish
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 20:44
I am spouting rubbish ?
That is ME spouting the rubbish ?
Coming out with the crap ?
For a start off, in the first World War, Ireland was still under British rule, and in World War Two, they were neutral, have a read of that LINK
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 20:58
Despite the Republic being declared as neutral in WW2 lots from the Republic volunteered to fight. It is reported that 3600 were killed during the conflict. I have worked with a few from the Republic that volunteered.
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 21:20
Your correct broadly 50,000 irish fought with the British and they had around 4000 casualties .
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 21:30
your spouting lies 1stroke & it was pre-covid & you know it . seems like some on here have found you out . so are we better under the torys or the EU ? .
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 23:37
No Whupsy, I am spouting the truth
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 23:52
your lying & you know it pinocchio . answer the questions .
Replied: 29th Apr 2022 at 23:57
No I am not lying, as you well know
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 00:09
you are lying after getting us in this mess & others on here think so too
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 01:16
TTS,it is the Irish folk in Northern Ireland I am sure that Ahcawntspeyk referred to ,and the brexit agreement has definitely not worked to their advantage. He also referred to OUR fishermens problems after brexit and not French feelings about it.
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 09:38
Correct fossil, it seems like tommy can't even read and digest a very straightforward post, why is he waffling on about Frenchmen??
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 10:39
Ahcawntspeyk, because he is stoopid.
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he wont admit the truth .
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 11:25
Well i see there has been an hornets nest burst wide open regards Brexit , WELL I AM IN TOTAL SUPPORT OF T.T.S. for all his comments are true and correct and what upsets me is that those who wanted to stay shackled to German/French boots on our necks cannot except a DEMOCRATIC VOTE WAS OFFERED TO THE BRITISH PUBLIC AND THE DECISION WAS TO LEAVE !!! Just stop carping accept the vote after all we are a DEMOCRACY aren't we ??????GB.
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 12:43
Well said Golden Bear
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Golden bear, I have looked through this thread and not too many are grumbling about the vote,just the dire consequences of it now.
I accepted the result as it was democratic but I can not find any benefits at all from brexit and I would be interested if you can point one out to me.
I think the lack of advantages from it was the reason for Roylews change of heart.
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 19:49
The main 'advantage' of Brexit, is the stopping of the mass immigration into this country from the EU.
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 21:14
You are correct fossil price of everything shot up, these guys must go round with their eyes shut
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 21:25
your aving a laugh 1stroke . anyone would think your being downtrodden by these asylum seekers & you cant see it,s this government who,s your biggest threat . look at wot the,ve done to the people of this country , took prescriptions from anyone from 60-66 , tv licences from the over 75s, made women wait for their pensions & bus passes til 66 . bent over backwards for big businesses while the small shopowners got nothing , spent public money like water . wake up & smell the coffee ,thats if there,s no shortage of it .
Replied: 30th Apr 2022 at 23:57
Prices have risen quite considerably over here but obviously nothing to do with Brexit. How do the panel explain that?
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 04:52
I think a lot of people voted to leave to stop illegal immigrants and fake refugees and we all know how that has turned out!
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 09:07
Prescription charges for the 60-66 age group are still FREE. There is the chance charges may be introduced
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 09:11
Some of things that the tory party have succeed in is the increasing of food banks, and zero hours contracts
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 09:53
Correct, that is because of the introduction of Universal Credit.
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 12:19
2.8% of all UK workers.are on Zero hours contracts.
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 12:38
"I think a lot of people voted to leave to stop illegal immigrants and fake refugees and we all know how that has turned out!"
The mass asylum seekers coming to Britain, started in the 1990s due to conflicts in the Middle East, the first Gulf War, Iraq persecuting the Kurds etc, that caused a lot of refugees to flee the Middle East and head towards Europe, and then there were the Balkan Wars in Europe, which were also in the 1990s, and as these things were happening, in 1995 the Schengen Agreement came into being, abolishing border controls between EU countries, and that meant that refugees from the Middle East who made it into the EU through places like Greece, then to get to Britain, there was nothing stopping them only a long walk, and it was the young males who made the journey, Britain was said to be the land of milk and honey, so they all wanted to come to Britain, and so when these 'people' because they weren't refugees, and when they arrived at the channel ports, in the late 1990s and early 2000s it wasn't difficult for them to sneak aboard a lorry and smuggle themselves into Britain, and once here they applied for political asylum, and there were thousands of them, and they were spread out by the authorities across the country, into places like Wigan, and British folk did not like it, but Tony Blair was keen not to upset the EU, because he wanted the top job there, when he handed over his premiership to Gordon Brown, so he dragged his feet in doing something about it, because the EU wanted Britain to accept the asylum seekers, so it was like now, folk were going mad over the amount of asylum seekers who were coming here to milk the British asylum seeker system, and Tony Blair only did something about it, when he could see that politically it was becoming damaging for him and the Labour Party, and he did not want to lose the then next general election because of it.
But how all of this has panned out, I believe has confused people, because as Britain managed to bring the influx of asylum seekers under control in the early 00s, by basically paying the French to turn the channel ports into fortresses, and giving lorry drivers heavy fines, if they brought any asylum seekers into the UK, they did get on top of the problem, and the numbers coming here dropped.
But in 2004, and as I remember it was just as they had got the asylum seeker problem under control, the free movement of people across the EU thing started, and EU citizens could just jump on a plane, boat or car and come here, and they had the same right to benefits etc, as British people had, and millions came here, and the EU immigration to Britain was perfectly legal, and it was running at about a third of a million people a year, so the EU migrants took over from the asylum seekers, as the foreign people who were coming here, only they were in far greater numbers, than the then asylum seekers and that was basically what the Brexit thing was about, and someone on this topic said we should have done more as a member of the EU to stop it, well as I remember the UK tried, and the EU would not listen, free movement of people between EU countries is enshrined into the EU thing, and David Cameron tried very hard in 2015 to get the EU to make a special case for Britain, because Britain was having a particular problem, with a massive increase in population, from EU citizens coming here, and the EU told him to go and swivel on it, they told him that Britain was just one of 29 countries, and all EU countries had to follow the same EU rules, and allow free movement of EU people, and all they did over those years from 2004 until Brexit was to refuse the EU immigrants access to certain benefits, but they still had the 'right' to come here.
So with Brexit the EU immigration has stopped, so now we are back to asylum seekers, who are travelling here across the channel by small boats, but as I have said to Golden Bear, when he is having a meltdown, when he sees the UK coastguard giving those asylum seekers a lift into Britain, those hundreds and thousands, which having been coming here across the channel in a dinghy, and although it is blood boiling annoying, it is not in the millions which we had coming here when we were in the EU, and the Rwanda thing might stop them completely.
As regards the Ukrainian refugees, they are genuine refugees, so they should speed up the visa processing, and get them into this country in the thousands., because it is the right thing to do.
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 12:44
gaffer i hate % all i know is that it has gone up in the last ten year!! year on year from 190000 to near a million today no one should have a job that they don't know what is happening the next day>>> it's 2022 not the 1800's i would like to find out what it is by regions of the UK
if food banks are increasing in the uk then their is something going wrong
Going back 50 years ago one person could go to work and support a family.... today it look like your going to have to send your kids down the pit again.... and that i blame a move from family run firms to corporations but that's for another day
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 13:18
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9323)
"The main 'advantage' of Brexit, is the stopping of the mass immigration into this country from the EU."
So when is it going to become an "advantage"?
Its clearly not working and you very well know it! And don't blame covid like some folk do as covid has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
I personally thought the money PROMISED to the NHS would have softened the blow a bit. But thats never happened has it
Up to now I can't see any advantages. Weve gone backwards
Get Brexit undone
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so how much does an asylum seeker get 1stroke ? .
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 17:24
That is your opinion
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 18:04
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9328)
"Cheshirepuss"That is your opinion"
It is also a fact Tommy.
Even you cant deny it
Go on Tommy, show me just one advantage which has benefited us since we left the EU.
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 19:00
I am uncertain whether the new immigration laws as tts points out have been a complete success.
A problem recruiting workers on farms, in processing plants and abattoirs previously staffed by workers from the EU has been a major setback in the food industry.
And it is a continuous complaint that red tape is a drawback to transporting goods.
And the link tts provided shows that a hotel room and a fiver a day for food is not exactly luxury and living it up,when fish and chips is 6 quid these days!
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 19:43
"Go on Tommy, show me just one advantage which has benefited us since we left the EU"
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 19:49
I voted to leave because I didn't like Brussels having such a large say in the laws of this land ,if i,d have know what a complete cock up of the leaving deal the tories would make I'd have voted to stay if they d have spent as much time negotiating with the EU as they did trying to appease the leavers and stayers in their own party we'd of been ok
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 20:19
I can assure you the sums quoted are a lot more than if you just entered the countries they are fleeing illegally. I suspect a bread and water menu would be on the cards.
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 20:26
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9329)
"Cheshirepuss: More jobs"
Go on, Tommy.
Show us the situations vacant column
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 21:07
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maybe the people who did not vote for brexit were the same people who did not vote when it came to enter common market and were brain washed into thinking what a good thing it would be
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 21:20
We did not have a vote to enter, or not enter the common market It was decided in the house of Parliament.
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"Go on, Tommy.
Show us the situations vacant column"
Replied: 1st May 2022 at 22:28
The Heath government took us into the EEC (the common market) on the 1s January 1973 and shortly thereafter prices started to shoot up, and there was a public outcry over it, because there had not been a referendum on whether the UK should join the EEC.
In the general elections of 1974 (there were two) the Labour Party who at that time were against Britain joining the EEC, promised in their election manifesto to have a referendum on whether to remain in the EEC, or leave, and after being elected in 1974, the Labour Party held the 1975 referendum on whether to reman in the EEC, in which the British public voted to remain in the bloody thing.
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I did not vote to remain in nor did any one in our household
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China caused the UK to pull out of the EU.
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hogwash as usual . they get more in germany , france & holland .wot are they taking from you 1stroke ? .
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If I knew what yoo wot yoo were going on about, I would give yoo an answer
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 00:36
learn how to spell . you were once a taxi driver wernt you .
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 01:12
Learn how to spell!!A guy who has, allegedly, left the house twice in ages seems to know everything about everything. To paraphrase Paddy what he knows about EVERYTHING you could write on the back of a SECOND rate stamp.
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broady,a bit out of touch there William.
Not much left out of a fiver when the bread and waters in the basket
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Whups: why do you need to be able to spell if you're a taxi driver? Don't understand that. Your receipts are printed by a Printer shop who'll do the proof work, or you can buy receipt books. What else do you need?
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 10:03
maybe so platty but i suppose you need a brain . broady the wideboy who could,nt hack-it & a bit rich coming from a joker like him & a top bullshitter who reverts to name calling coz he cant win an argument .
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whypsy: Calm down. Your blood pressure must be through the roof, can't imagine how you're functioning. TTS must have a brain to function, so that's that myth gone. As far as broady goes, what you've said, if true, your reply brings you to his level (whether high or low) and therefore you're on the same level as him.
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 13:59
Wondering if the usual anti Tory suspects will still be voting Labour as per their dad's dad's budgie did, even though they want to introduce a CAZ charge to screw the working man even more?
Who is 'dim' enough to vote for that?
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 14:21
Whups: Scientists are blaming methane for climate change and is partly caused by cows emitting methane when they burp. So they propose making cows wear special masks.
The methane expelled by the other end is a bit of a problem and someone suggested some sort of trousers made from strong, thick, impenatrable material such as leather. (Though the cows might object to that choice).
In 2014 the EU imposed a directive outlawing the use of fertilisers on any slope with a gradient of more than 15 per cent.
A farmer in Germany, whose family had grazed their cattle on a local hillside for over 400 years was concerned that Brussels might rule that cow pats constituted a form of fertiliser so he dressed his herd in nappies.
Now, whups, if all farmers did that, so methan can't escape from either end, what will happen? Methane is lighter than air, so will the cows slowly inflate and then, like a hot air balloon, float off?
Serious danger to aircraft, whups, and the bulls and heifers won't be amused, but at least with nappies there's no danger of being hit by cow droppings.
The city men in Brussels are so clever, aren't they whups?
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 14:23
And the award for the most meaningless and irrelevant comment in this thread goes to............Platty.
A big round of applause please
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The truth of the matter is very simple, the vast majority of those who voted for Brexit did so purely on the basis that it would stop freedom of movement and those mainly from eastern Europe would be stopped from coming here. Most did not even consider anything else.
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 17:32
Wondering if the usual anti Tory suspects will still be voting Labour as per their dad's dad's budgie did, even though they want to introduce a CAZ charge to screw the working man even more?
Who is 'dim' enough to vote for that?
Who are the usual anti Tory suspects? And i find your post very condescending, are you implying Labour voters have no brains? I could ask why Tory voters support a PROVEN Liar, racist, homophobic adulterer who would be dim enough to do that???
Replied: 2nd May 2022 at 17:38
Spot on Ahcawntspeyk.
And he Wn wanderer forgot to say that Burnham was mandated by Johnson and co to introduce a CAZ in Gtr Manchester.
Admittedly it was flawed but the tories were behind it!!
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Fossil: three of the 10 boroughs of GM, Wigan, Rochdale and Oldham were originally not mandated by the government to improve air quality. Wigan did not have to go down the road of having thosands of private and commercial motorists face financial penalties: Wigan chose to do so. The decision to do so was taken by the 8 members of Wigan Council's Cabinet led by leader David Molymeux. The matter has not been debated by the Full Council, that has been denied by the Council Cabinet only.
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Whups: thank you, I thought that would cheer you up.
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Platty ,it was Gtr Manchester ,I know and I said it was flawed but it was instigated by the Conservative government but all the blame goes on Burnham ,quite wrongly.
It has been suspended so let’s see what transpires,but let’s also see the blame apportioned fairly.
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I could ask why Tory voters support a PROVEN Liar, racist, homophobic adulterer who would be dim enough to do that???
Who also got fired from two of his last jobs and wasted money when he was mayor of London at a cost of 1bn To the taxpayer why would you think he could be believed
AND I STILL DON,T GET IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thankyou for putting me right about vote I remember my husband would not come with family He was watching TV and said it was pointless as we would not join wonder how many more people thought that One point I would make is every one should vote but women should after sacrifices made by suffragettes
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" ..... Wigan chose to do so. The decision to do so was taken by the 8 members of Wigan Council's Cabinet led by leader David Molymeux. ", said Platty.
However, two points. David Molymeux is not the council leader, he's the councillors leader. And, the decision to do so HAD TO BE taken by the 8 members of Wigan Council's Cabinet, as they had no choice in the matter.
It follows that the local elections are pointless. It matters not one iota who 'gets in', or their political persuasion.
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Sorry you are so angry just related my memories of the time
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Tonks: my error on one. I don't understand why they HAD to vote to join the GM CAZ. The government had mandated the area, or so I thought, and omitted Wigan, Rochdale and Oldham. Why did they have to vote to join and why wasn't it put to the full Council? What was the point of the vote, is that what you are saying?
Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 08:53
Actually, I was saying "what is the point in local elections".
But, re: CAZ, didn't I post the government's map of proposed CAZ which went from the east coast, in Yorkshire, across to the west coast at Liverpool. In affect, creating a clean air zone which separated the south from the north, meaning it would make any older commercial vehicle travelling north to south, or vice versa, pay for it?
I'm sure I did. Laaaaike!
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Tonks: You did indeedy.
I agree with you in that Local Elections no longer mean anything and a lot of that is due to MPs and Councillors, especially CEOs, not being from the area, and not being local.
But I can't understand why Wigan Council voted to join the CAZ when it didn't need to.
I think it was jo-anne (might be wrong) who said Local Elections were important, and then gave a list of the power Local Councils had in various areas, education, housing, etc. (Ha ha ha).
Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 10:54
How can anyone make an opinion about Brexit, when we have only been out of the EU for 15 months ?
And there are still things needing to be sorted out between us and the EU, and indeed between us and the rest of the world.
Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 12:45
TTS,so what happened to the oven ready deal then?
Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 14:14
I have already answered that question, and it doesn't relate to this topic.
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it was 2016 when we had the vote . you never answer any questions you just put excuses on .
Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 17:47
I voted to leave and If I had to vote again, it would still be to leave, we can now make deals with anyone, we are a Eurpean country with a poulation of around 70 million, we joined the EU only to trade, if it was still only trade I would have voted to stay, regarding the folk coming here on dingies, if it was up to me they would get nothing, we are too soft.
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I have already answered that question, and it doesn't relate to this topic.
I bought it was about brexit
Replied: 3rd May 2022 at 18:28
Andy Burnham, when campaigning for GM mayor, said he would push the Gov to have GM included in the CAZ scheme - that's there in black and white on his Facebook.
The Gov said he had to put a CAZ in place. They didn't say he had to cover the entire of GM, nor did they say he had to make it a charging zone.
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Wnwanderer: thanks for posting that info.
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Wnwanderer,why no mention of the letter AB sent to Johnson on the 3rd of March in that he said that it was the wish of the 9 Greater Manchester labour leaders,and the Bolton tory leader that a non charging CAZ zone would be the preferred route of them all and that the ball was now in his court.
Below is an article from Yahoo news.
"The Prime Minister has ignored calls to scrap all Clean Air Zone charges in Greater Manchester responding to a letter from leaders eight weeks ago.
Mayor Andy Burnham wrote to Boris Johnson on March 3 saying that the Labour leaders of the city-region want a non-charging scheme instead – and Bolton’s Conservative leader Martyn Cox also supported the suggestion.
It came after the controversial scheme which was set to start charging some commercial vehicles which exceed air quality standards in May was paused.
In his letter, Mr Burnham said the delay means air quality compliance can be achieved without charges, but by offering funding to upgrade vehicles instead.
This followed comments by the Prime Minister in Parliament in which he described the Clean Air Zone as ‘thoughtless’ and said it should be scrapped.
However, responding to the mayor’s letter eight weeks later, Mr Johnson did not address the Greater Manchester leaders’ calls for a non-charging scheme.
In the letter to Mr Burnham, the Prime Minister wrote: “Thank you for your letter of 3 March about the Greater Manchester Clean Air Zone (CAZ).
“I am aware that Greater Manchester’s CAZ plans are now under review, following discussions with the Environment Secretary and the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State.
“Our officials remain ready to engage constructively with yours to deliver the right plans for Greater Manchester. Thank you, once again for writing.”
Mr Burnham said he was ‘shocked’ to receive the letter a week before the local elections.
He said: “The Prime Minster told the House of Commons he would scrap the Clean Air Zone and now in a letter to me he’s refusing to rule out charges.
“We’re in a position again where the Prime Minster is saying things in the House of Commons which he will not back up in print to an elected mayor.
“That’s revealing and it’s something that people need to know before they vote. They should not, in my view, fall for the Tory propaganda.
“They instigated this and won’t rule out a charging Clean Air Zone.”
Conservatives have been campaigning against the Clean Air Zone ahead of the local elections next week, blaming Mr Burnham and local Labour leaders.
Before he became mayor in 2017, Mr Burnham called on the government to give Greater Manchester the power to create a Clean Air Zone in Parliament.
However, he later explained that he wanted a ‘non-charging’ Clean Air Zone.
The Government issued a ministerial legal direction on all ten Greater Manchester councils in 2019 requiring that the local authorities model a charging Clean Air Zone which would deliver air quality compliance by 2024.
But following a public backlash, the government agreed to postpone the deadline and allow Greater Manchester to submit a new proposal by July.
A new ministerial direction requiring Greater Manchester to comply with legal limits on air pollution was issued, delaying the deadline by two years to 2026.
After the new deadline was announced, the mayor wrote to the Prime Minister with the backing of Labour leaders calling for a non-charging Clean Air Zone.
Since then, Bradford councillors were told that government ministers refused a request to alter the town’s own Clean Air Zone plans by scrapping charges.
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has been contacted for comment."
Originally Burnham asked that GM create their own CAZ zone and later qualified that it would be non charging. This was I think in 2017.
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 09:45
Platty and Wnwanderer
The origins of the CAZ in Greater Manchester.
Look at the letter from Teresa Coffey,government minister in this link.
CAZ instruction to Gtr Manchester from HMGov
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 11:34
are we any better after leaving domino ? .
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This has been discussed before on here, and the government want Greater Manchester to bring in a Clean Air Zone, starting in Manchester,City Centre, just covering a few square miles, like other cities are doing, not covering the entire County of Greater Manchester.
Bath Clean Air Zone
Birmingham Clean Air Zone
Bradford Clean Air Zone
Bristol Clean Air Zone
Portsmouth Clean Air Zone
Greater Manchester Clean Air Zone
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 14:46
you,ll have to charge more for a ride in your taxi 1stroke .
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 15:12
The letter from Teresa Coffey was to all GM councils instructing them to implement a CHARGEABLE CAZ.
My point is that it was Andy Burnham taking the flak unfairly and being accused of instigating the charges.
After Johnson’s scurrilous statement in the commons ,blaming Burnham,in answer to a question from guess what,a local Tory mp,forget who it was.
In response Burnham wrote the letter on the 3rd of March asking Johnson just what his idea was and stating that the 10 council leaders preference all along has been a non chargeable zone and in Johnson’s reply he said that the chargeable zone was the preferred option of the government in effect.
I have said all along that the original plan put forward was flawed,but I think the correspondence indicates where the blame should lie and it ain’t with Burnham.
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 21:06
Who decided what the CAZ charges should be?
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 21:23
How could a "non-chargeable clean air zone" possibly be implemented? Owners of old diesel vans would simply ignore it!
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 21:24
Why did it take for all the protesting etc. before Burnham decided to try and do something instead of meekly rolling over?
Andy Burnham said in his campaign that he wanted a CAZ for GM, perhaps he should have thought about it a little while first.
The letter you post also mentions in the paragraph before the highlighted one that the councils were already looking at charging.
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:22
who knows as this government fobs everything off to others to carry the can . why do you think they wanted a mayor in the 1st place .
Replied: 4th May 2022 at 23:58
Wnwanderer they had been told to create a charging zone 2 years earlier than this letter and obviously had tried to comply in some way.
I was against the CAZ as well,as I have said previously,but I was against criticism which was totally against Burnham as the government was the instigator and still is.
Gaffer I haven’t got a clue who proposed the rates of charging,and Tonker I agree with you ,but I would welcome financial help.in purchasing an electric vehicle which Burnham wants from the government.
Replied: 5th May 2022 at 06:44
The only reason why some are saying that we should have stayed in the EU is because the political parties for whom they vote and the newspapers they read say so!
On issues like the EU, people should remember that in 1973, our country voted to join a Common Market on Trade, and not a undemocratic political organisation which is a gravy train for those involved in it.
A example of which, my Wife and I discovered when we went on a coach holiday to Switzerland and on the way out and return stayed for one night at the five star Swiss Hotel in Brussels. When I asked one of the drivers, why were we staying in a five star hotel and not the usual three star hotel, his reply was "The European Parliament is in recess. If it was sitting, you would not get anywhere near any of the many five star hotels in Brussels"
Where the EU is concerned, people need to think and see for themselves and not be led by others with their own agenda's and vested interests of why we should be in it!
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Directly elected mayors were introduced following the Local Government Act of 2000. The PM was Anthony Charles Lynton Blair.
Replied: 5th May 2022 at 08:42
I might see Andy tonight, as we're going to a mutual friend's place, near Knutsford and he's likely to be there. I'll do a bit of delvin'!
Replied: 7th May 2022 at 14:22
Me uncle got married in Knutsford, I was 8 at the time, and it were a reet posh affair, the service was held in a Roman Catholic Church, which was more like a Cathedral than a church, and they had the doo at a posh hotel, but they didn't call it a doo, it were called summat else.
I hated that day
Replied: 7th May 2022 at 14:36
If Oxford is where oxen crossed the watercourse,
what crossed at Knutsford?
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Its Cunetsford in the Doomsday Book.
Replied: 7th May 2022 at 16:14
"what crossed at Knutsford?"
From that Doomsday book name, I can see two possibilities
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I love the point to points there.
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