Opposition to Government Green Ideas?

Started by: fedup (206)

Does anyone know if there are any movements dedicated to opposing Boris and his chums bonkers Green ideas which seem set to wreck the country with his plans for cutting emissions? (with the rest of the world not bothered!)
We as a country will make hardly any reductions to Climate Change as we are such a small nation!.
As we know the Climate is changing perhaps we should be preparing for the future changes not making futile attempts to alter Nature?

Started: 18th Oct 2021 at 13:58

Posted by: gaffer (6932) 

Yes at the highest level of government. The chancellor’s first move will be to remove or reduce VAT on fuel.

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 14:06

Posted by: Platty (716)

fedup: I don't know of any groups opposing this madness, but I have read many books with proof of its madness and that what they are claiming is not true. They all claim CO2 and offer nothing else, no comparisons, no alternatives to the so-called climate change. The CO2 is minor and not warming the climate.
The thing to do is follow the money, where all this madness comes from is making money for those who fool the gullible.

Gaffer: Any proof of that? I see it's suggested he might reduce VAT on domestic fuel.

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 14:17

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8705)

For many years Electric ang Gas were exempt from VAT, and when they put VAT on those utilities, they said they had to do it, because the EU said they had to charge it.

Well we are not in the EU now.

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 15:03

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8705)

My disregard for Boris is increasing day on day, we are no where near over the Covid thing, over 45,000 new cases yesterday, and same as last year the schools going back is starting to filter through now, and at a certain point the hospital admissions will start to increase, and Ok it won't be as serious as last year, but I can see some of the Covid restrictions returning, and the same thing will happen with Boris, he won't want to do anything about it, until he has no choice.

I hope that doesn't happen, but surely now is not the time to be introducing the green stuff, such as though clean air zones, which is going to cost a bloody fortune for everyone

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 15:17

Posted by: Platty (716)

TTS: Agreed. I thought the first thing they would do is reduce the VAT, which they can (and should) go now, but all they've done is exempt female sanitary items. (Not sure if trans people have periods, perhaps someone can enlighten me).

The green stuff is supported by the rich, look at Princess Nut Nuts (Carrie Johnson, PM's wife). She's related to the Rothschilds and she's now making speeches. I think that's because she can't be questioned. Put anything to her and they'll say, "Oh it's not government policy... She doesn't represent government.." and then implement it anyway. This madness is so dictatorial.

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 15:40

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8705)

Princess Nut Nuts - I really do like that

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 15:43

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4449) 

RE-FED UP ,,I am sad to say i have been banging on about this pathetic shower that' s (ruining running our once great country,all to no avail . I have recently just deleted an article i wrote on " climate change /electric car's etc and was some what ridiculed ,so i thought stuff it ,why bother .
But you have a very good example of two of our member's who have commented on the VAT issue's ie WE ARE OUT OF E.U NOW SO WHY NOT SCRAP THE SODDIN VAT??? WHY it has not happened yet ???? BECAUSE WEARE GOVERNED AND RULED BY A BUNCH OF SELF-CENTERED GREEDY **stards WHO JUST WANT TO LOOK AFTER THEIR OWN .. Always have and always will sad to say !!!You ask if there are any movement's out there /Well all i can say is until we have a revolution nowt will ever be done .........GB

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 15:57

Posted by: gaffer (6932) 

It will take someone of the calibre of the guy featured in the piece from yesterday’s Sunday Times to put us on a more equitable green agenda.

The genius who finally persuaded Boris Johnson to lock down
A report by MPs has condemned the government’s early response to Covid as a deadly failure. It could have been even worse if not for the dramatic intervention of a little-known data scientist. Matthew Syed meets Marc Warner

Arguably the most consequential meeting in recent British political history took place on Saturday March 14, 2020, in the prime minister’s office in Downing Street. Dominic Cummings, then the prime minister’s chief adviser, and two brothers with a background in science — Ben and Marc Warner — confronted Boris Johnson over the government’s herd immunity strategy. Cummings later likened it to a scene in the film Independence Day in which the scientist played by Jeff Goldblum tells the US president: “The aliens are here, and your whole plan is broken, and you need a new plan.”

The alien invasion in this instance was Covid-19, and the government’s plan at the time was to “squash the sombrero”, or, more technically, “contain, delay, research, mitigate”. The idea was to lower the peak of the first wave of the pandemic, but not to crush the curve completely, so as to build up immunity in the population. The fear of the Warner brothers was that procrastination over lockdown could lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Ben Warner, a former postdoctoral research fellow in quantum physics and, in Cummings’s account, the Goldblum in the room, had worked in Downing Street for months and was a familiar presence to the prime minister, having been hired by Cummings to “build a proper data and analytical office” in No 10. “One of the great problems that No 10 had in 2019 when I was there was a huge lack of those kinds of skills,” Cummings told the joint inquiry by the health and social care committee and science and technology committee in May into the handling of the pandemic.

Ben’s brother, Marc, also a former physicist, and an artificial intelligence entrepreneur, was a less familiar figure to the prime minister, but his company, Faculty, had provided computer modelling to the successful Vote Leave campaign during the 2016 Brexit referendum. Ben had worked at Faculty too, before being snapped up by Cummings. Since the beginning of the pandemic Marc had been working at the NHS, one of Faculty’s clients, helping to build a dashboard — a clear way of displaying relevant statistics — to assist policy-making.

Working at NHS England’s head office in Elephant and Castle, southeast London, Marc had become increasingly alarmed. As he looked at the trajectory of infections, he realised that the capacity of the NHS would be overwhelmed many times over. On March 7 he sent a text to Cummings saying that the herd immunity plan could lead to deaths on a huge scale. “We were driving off the edge of a cliff,” Marc tells me when we meet in his office in Marylebone.

Early on March 12 Warner texted Cummings again. “I said, ‘This is a code red emergency and it’s clear the system has f***ed it,’” he tells me. On the morning of Friday March 13 Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, revealed on the Radio 4 Today programme that England would be following a herd immunity strategy.

“We spoke on the evening of the 13th and Dom later said that this was the most angry he had ever heard me,” Marc says. “I wasn’t angry with him specifically but with the government and the situation. Dom said, ‘Come in and brief us tomorrow morning. We now agree with you: we take your point. We think this is going to be a disaster — we are going to have to change course. Come in and make sure we have all the information and we will go in and see the PM.’

“The next morning we stood by the famous whiteboard, with him and Ben asking whatever questions they had. Then they went to see the PM and dragged me in too. The whole situation was totally surreal. The prime minister looked at me and said, ‘Who are you?’ They said, ‘Don’t worry, prime minister.’ They then took him through the numbers. That was the meeting that changed his mind.” The only other people in the room were assorted advisers and civil servants, but not Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England, or Vallance. It still took until March 23 for the national lockdown to be officially announced.

Cummings was sacked as the prime minister’s chief adviser in November and Ben Warner left Downing Street in May, as part of what sources were calling a “clear-out of anyone linked with Dom”. Last week a damning parliamentary report on the handling of the pandemic said the government made “a serious early error” in adopting the “fatalistic approach” of herd immunity. It also noted that “a country with a world-class expertise in data analysis” should not have faced “the biggest health crisis in 100 years with virtually no data to analyse”.

In his testimony to the select committee in May Cummings credited Marc Warner with being a hero of the pandemic and with saving “thousands of lives”. He said he should have been given authority to run the Covid response but it was refused by the prime minister.

“Marc Warner is one of the most ethical people I’ve met,” Cummings said. “If I’d been prime minister I would have said, ‘Marc Warner is in charge of this whole thing.’”

So who is this man? Warner comes across as bright and engaging. He grew up in Bedford and attended state school until the age of 13 before his family paid for him to go private. He was inspired by his grandfather, a physics teacher, to study the subject at Imperial College London, after which he completed a PhD in quantum computing at University College London. He then went to Harvard to do postgraduate work in quantum sensing, before moving into the area that had come to fascinate him: AI.

From there he started his company, originally called ASI Data Science, which has grown to a staff of more than 100 and advises the BBC, Siemens and the Natural History Museum, among other organisations. The company also gained contracts with the NHS, which is why he offered to work full-time at Skipton House, the headquarters, when the pandemic hit, giving him a front-row seat on government policy.

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 16:01

Posted by: broady (17570) 

We have 318 billion trees in Canada. 40% of the country is forest, 30% of the world’s forests are in Canada and there are 8953 per head of population and yet we still have these zealots banging on about CO2. The costs to industry are astronomical. Yet all we hear is “reducing our carbon footprint” Electric cars cannot be feasible. If I “ travel local” and drive just into BC it is around five hours. Four days to drive to Toronto. How many charges would my battery need?

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 16:06

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8705)

I remember Dominic Cummings saying all that to the Select Committee last May, because I watched all of it.

Of course the main thing about electric cars is that we will need an extra two nuclear power stations, to provide the zero emissions electricity to make the whole electric car thing viable, because if we just burn more gas in gas fired power stations to charge those electric cars, then what is the point, instead of CO2 coming out of vehicle exhausts, it will be coming out of gas power station chimneys.

Boris and Carrie

Prince and Princess Nut Nuts

Replied: 18th Oct 2021 at 16:52

Posted by: fedup (206)

Thanks to all for some useful input! Net Zero Watch keeps up to date with happenings- NZW is campaigning against expensive and ill thought out Climate Change proposals-perhaps we should all join?)
At least read their proposals!

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 10:55
Last edited by fedup: 19th Oct 2021 at 12:28:00


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