Tories of this Borough

Nothing to say on the worst public health failure ever? Absolute shambles of a government, thousands died while they twiddled their thumbs

Hi Bluesfan,,, Not only that but made a fortune on supplying personal protection stuff and masks at the same time . When one consider's we are around the 5th richest country on the planet but we have //had the highest death rate of our elderly in the care homes especially DAMN DISGRACE , but as usual no-one will be held to account !!!!GB

they also gave the contracts to their cronies who made millions .when are the people of this country going to wise up about this lot . johnson on a freebie holiday in spain at another crony,s villa while the rest of us suffer . nero fiddling while rome burns comes to mind .

Bluesfan

You have made this out to be a 'political' thing, when it was anything but, so how would Labour have done it differently, Yes they should have entered lockdown sooner, but hindsight is a wonderful thing to have, the pandemic happened so quickly that it was hard for the leaders of any country to know what to do for the best, and to order a lockdown of this country on the scale that the scientists were proposing, was a very draconian measure to take, and Kier Stammer would have been just as reluctant to do it, as was Boris Johnson.

I think that the report issued today was 'biased' and I am not saying that as a Tory, because I am not a Tory, I am saying it because I am a me

Some were still taking to the streets in protest at lockdown. Blame them.

Would any other party have handled it any different?

Yet another case after the event... SHUDDERS.

Should have done this... Should have done that.. There will be an inquiry... Then an inquiry into the inquiry.. Then a final inquiry into the inquiry into the inquiry costing yet more millions which could be better spent elsewhere.

I don't think any country handled it well. It was guess work by everyone. I don't think some countries have come to terms with it yet.

Wigan (the ancient town bearing that nomenclature) is traditionally conservative.

New Zealand handled it brilliantly .
.Jacinda Ardern Prime Minister SUPREME .
Anyone who thinks it was handled well is believing the Tory propaganda just like those who voted for brexit .
Has the red bus money ever seen the light of day .?
Brexit my backside .

The more people they let into this country, the more disease we'll be open to.
It was easier for that Westhoughton Hong Kong couple to enter this country, along with their two dogs, pennyless and homeless, than it is for me to get back home from Spain!

Jacinda closed the borders early doors unlike the cruel ,insensitive ,cold blooded ,nasty ,inept tenant of no 10 .

The Conservative handling of the crisis was far from perfect.

However, the thought of labour trying to navigate through the pandemic waters is an absolutely frightening thought.

The lesser of two evils springs to mind.

Don't forget Burnhams howling protests when we were locked down in level three wanting it lifting and his handling of the mid staffs NHS scandal when he was in charge of it.

Agreed Don GB. I'm not a Tory but like you I'm thinking more on the lines that the back stabbing Labour lot would still be dragging their heels now as what to do. No confidence in any Labour people especially their leader the champagne socialist Starmer.

I speak to NZ almost daily and the picture isn't as rosy as some are painting on here. Headline two days ago was " NZ braces for rising Covid cases as expert warns of potential explosion"

So if you know the situation on a daily basis be kind enough to post figures on the overall numbers .

New Zealand has now realised that a zero covid approach is impossible, without keeping their borders closed indefinitely, and even in a country as remote as New Zealand that still won't keep the Covid out completely, a seaman brought in the nasty delta variant of Covid into their country, so now New Zealand is adopting the same approach as the UK and other countries, in tackling Covid by the vaccination route, rather than by the closed borders and lockdown route. LINK

Don GB

28 deaths so i am reliably informed .

New Zealand braces for rising Covid cases as expert warns of potential explosion.

LINK

If Labour had been in blah blah, it's the Conservatives who are in and they messed up big time. Like Golden Bear says the cronies of this government made a fortune on inadequate useless protection equipment and still you blather on about if Labour would have been in. I posted this because otherwise you would have hidden it under a rock and pretended it hadn't happened. Some of the post are quite frankly pathetic in excusing this shambles

Grimshaw

That is an unfair comparison, because for a start New Zealand has a population of 4.9 million and the UK has a population of 65.7 million, and both countries are about the same size, so that is a heck of a difference in population numbers.

Grimshaw,
You check before you type. I have other things to do beside scour for figures for you. You always appear to be " reliably informed" whatever the subject. I was talking to NZ about the Grand Final not Covid but it was just mentioned.

Bluesfan

If Labour had been in power, and they had in your words had 'messed up big time' would yoo have been skrikin about it like you are doing on here now, or would you have kept your Labour Party supporting gob shut, or should I say kept your Labour Party supporting fingers, away from your keyboard ?

"If Labour had been in blah blah, it's the Conservatives who are in and they messed up big time."

I agree and there is no excuse, the people who's points you disagree with are under no illusion that if it was the Labour party in power it would have been an even worse fiasco. Ask yourself why Corbyn took a battering, inept, unreliable and out of touch with the working class and the new lot are no different. No one could have predicted what would happen with this pandemic.

Oh TTS touched a nerve have I? Be it Labour or Conservative or whoever, of course I would have skriked about it on here! Maybe you should shut your gob and think about the people who died needlessly. Glad you keep putting this topic to the top of the pile

Yes yoo have touched a nerve

Nobody has "died needlessly".
They were ill.

b4 my time like but i recall someone saying there used to be a politics thread on here that got binned cos it all got rather heated?

It was fun while it lasted!
Gereth Fairhurst and Michael Moulding were the culprits, so they got sacked!

Hindsight !!!
bloody hell, all the world was closing it's gates Boris kept the door open.
You have had 12 years of Tory cuts.... you all knew Boris' background and you still voted him in and now you still say HINDSIGHT... i can tell you what Hindsight is. 2017 the closure of the UK’s largest gas storage plant and warnings that the country would face more volatile winter gas prices and is becoming too dependent on energy imports. Its time for some of you lot to take your head out of the sand!!! and it's only going to get worse ...

And why i am on the topic we know that the vaccine lasts up to 6 months so i am telling you all the uk has a bad winter coming

And New Year has been cancelled LINK

So yoo are right Peter, we in the UK are well and truly screwed

for a start off 1stroke how do you know wot labour would have done ? as usual it,s pie in the sky again from you . the torys are in power & making the decisions & that,s a fact & not making a good job of it . with incompetent ministers like dido harding & mat hancock it,s not hard to see why is it . wise up 1stroke the only people to have made anything out of this is their scumbag donors & their families who made millions . oh & i forgot chris grayling who cost the country nearly 4 billion .

Thatcher caused the energy crisis surprised it's taken so long to come home to roost this inadequate government have just about made a mess of everything they've touched and all they and their supporters can do is say it would have been worse under a Labour government ,pathetic

If this pandemic had happened 40yrs ago, when Margaret Thatcher was in power, I wonder how she would have handled it, same question to all of the Prime Ministers we have has since, both Labour and Tory, what would they have done ?

Broady .
I also have other things to do rather than answer your errant nonsensical bile .
You always seem to offer crap advice on any given subject including utd although i would bet england to nothing you are just another armchair fan and not visited O T for donkeys years .
So up yours pal..

I have never voted tory in my life but I think they have done an o-k job.

B T W bluesfan and others who have enough about themselves to see through the tory propaganda .Well said
A people who elect and support corrupt politicians ,imposters ,theives and traitors are not victims but accomplices

Grimshaw,
Of course I haven’t been. I live thousands of miles away. There are some live 30 miles away who haven’t been in years. I heard that off someone in the know. Just for the record is Covid low level in NZ?

Do you think i get all my info from the web like some on here .?
My ex R L player pal is a new zealander who lives in the bay of plenty area .So info at first hand
And for your info i know of some utd fans who live in the trafford centre area who are allegedly utd fans and havnt been to o t for ages .
You infer i am quote ,"reliably informed ,
Not so, but i do keep a weather eye on things and events and have good friends .

Grimshaw

Yoo are a very rude man

So you keep saying .
Is that all ?
I have a zoom meet at 3 .
Care to join and give the lads a good belly laugh .?

As an armchair fan I look forward to watching United at Leicester on Saturday morning as we get the live broadcast. I don’t think that happens in the UK. Every United PL game is live.

so owdfettler this lot has done a ok job ? . so brexit , driver shortages , hospitality on the ground , fruit on the floor , pigs being slaughtered , 100s died because of a late shut down , inept ministers like chris grayling , dido harding , matt hancock , kwasi kwartang & the country in a shambles & all this while their donor friends & family make millions . that,s a ok job is it ? . you need to waken up .

They are clearly in denial whups .
Anyone who votes tory should be thoroughly ashamed after 11 years of this shambolic crowd.
And i wish i had a few sovs for each time i have heard someone say" i never vote tory but ".
A clear indication they do .

Grimshaw you sound like a Labour councillor a very bitter one at that, if you're not you should put your hat in the ring and try your luck, I have no doubt with you being a true and 'honest' Labour supporter and 'ex forces' who's been in the trenches and done his bit for Queen and Country you would do well in North Lincs. Or maybe not.