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EU getting tough on unvaccinated.

Started by: gaffer (6840) 

Excerpt from an article in today’s Telegraph.

Europeans have watched the slapstick spectacle of Britain’s pingdemic and drawn their own conclusion: they will not let vaccine refuseniks queer the pitch for everybody else, or prevent the full reopening of the economy.
The unvaccinated will be shut out of normal life, progressively demonised, and stripped of civil rights for the greater good of the majority. A new political fault-line is emerging in Europe.
“Those who have been vaccinated will definitely have more freedom than those who have not been vaccinated. The state has the duty to protect the health of citizens,” said Germany’s cabinet minister, Helge Braun.
If and when the delta wave hits Germany in earnest – he fears 100,000 cases a day by September, just in time for the election – the unjabbed will face exclusion from restaurants, cinemas, stadia, and so forth. “The risk for everybody else is too high,” he said.
Mr Braun said a “classic lockdown” is no longer needed because the vaccinated and those with antibodies no longer play a relevant role in infection. The corollary is that the unvaccinated will indeed be locked down, indefinitely and harshly, until the fourth wave is over. The urgent imperative is to avoid the collapse of supply chains and anything that could abort economic recovery. “We can already see that happening in Great Britain,” he said.



The lurch towards majoritarianism, and the mobilisation of the state against a nonconformist minority (what would Hannah Arendt have thought?), is taking hold across all the major states of Europe.
France’s Emmanuel Macron is ramming through mandatory vaccination for nurses and care home workers, as the first step towards compulsory jabs for broad sections of society. His draconian plan has been somewhat diluted in parliament after volcanic dissent from left and right.
The national health pass for the vaccinated is already in force. You will not be able to sit down for a coffee and croissant in Paris without it, or go to La Comédie-Française, or get on a TGV train. France is split in two and this has political resonance in a country where vaccine rejection is endemic, thanks in part to the destructive influence of professor Didier Raoult.
Over 160,000 protested on Saturday against the enveloping “health dictatorship”, “apartheid”, and the methods of the “tyrant” Macron, some smashing up shops around the Champs Elysees in a revival of the gilets jaunes spirit. The leftist France Insoumise party is filing a case at the constitutional court, accusing Mr Macron of behaving like Stuart monarchs.
Italy has had mandatory vaccination for health care workers since April and the unjabbed are prohibited from visiting relatives in care homes or entering hospital waiting rooms. These curbs are about to escalate with the new green pass. Italians will be barred from football games, concerts, marriage banquets, etc, unless they have it, and nor will they be allowed to sit in restaurants. La Dolce Vita it ain’t.
Protestors gathered at the Eiffel Tower in Paris at the weekend to contest President Macron's plans for Covid health passports CREDIT: REUTERS
Do the protests across Europe matter? Not immediately, perhaps, though in Italy it may lead to the disintegration of the Draghi coalition. The majority supports coercion in every country. It usually does when push comes to shove: that is why rights law is needed, however irritating it can be at times.
On this occasion the measures may violate the (non-EU) European Convention on Human Rights, which was largely drafted by liberal British lawyers after the Second World to prevent a repeat of the 1930s. The leading force was Churchill’s Solicitor-General, David Maxwell-Fyfe.


Started: 27th Jul 2021 at 14:54

Posted by: whups (6610) 

and after all that hogwash the EU dont own us a thing & any favours . you got wot you wanted so how does it feel .

Replied: 27th Jul 2021 at 23:53

Posted by: frecky (248)

Feels bloody great to be out whups.....now awaiting the slagging off...

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 19:23

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

Whupsy wanted to stop in the EU because he thinks that it helps Manchester Yoonited to buy players from the EU

So can I point out that Wigan RLFC, and all the other RLFC Clubs have been trading players and coaches from all over the world {{SUCCESSFULLY}} for donkeys years, most notably from Australia and New Zealand, which is on the other side of the world

Ok so they have to do the paper work for work permits and visas etc , but in this day and age with computers dooing all that kind of stuff, it is hardly a problem is it.

AND

Under the impending trade deal with Australia, it will be much easier for citizens of both Australia and the UK to visit and work in each others countries.

I am not against immigration, in fact far from it, those Honk Kongers, who Tonker mentioned, are hardly asylum seeking scumbags, they have money, and have professions to offer, and it is Chinas loss and our gain, and as regards to seasonal workers, when the pandemic is over, then it will come down to money, if it pays more to come to and do seasonal work in the UK, then the EU workers will do the paperwork and come to the UK, it will all come down to market forces

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 19:41

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Will the EU seasonal workers need a visa Tommy?
Because according to you they did not need one prior to us leaving the European Union?

"Under the impending trade deal with Australia, it will be much easier for citizens of both Australia and the UK to visit and work in each others countries."

When has it been difficult

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 20:47
Last edited by cheshirecat: 28th Jul 2021 at 20:51:10

Posted by: tonker (23930) 

Chesh., try getting into Australia or New Zealand without good health, a healthy bank balance and a recognised qualification.
It follows that it's been 'difficult' for most, for quite some time now!

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 21:20

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

So how will it be easier now to get in with the "trade deal"? Have they moved the goalposts to suit them?

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 21:30
Last edited by cheshirecat: 28th Jul 2021 at 21:32:16

Posted by: tonker (23930) 

T.T.S., ....

AP News - April, 2021
Hong Kong: UK offers $59 million to help Hong Kong migrants settle down.
The British government said Thursday it is setting up a 43 million pound ($59 million) fund to help migrants from Hong Kong settle in the country as they escape increasing political repression in the former colony.

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 21:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

Tonker

It is because we want them, if we don't welcome them, then America will snap them up.

Because they are already British National (Overseas) passport holders, then that allows them access straight into the UK, by passing our own immigration rules, which are in place to keep the riff raff out

Cheshire Alley Cat:

"Have they moved the goalposts to suit them?"

Yes



Cheshire

Replied: 28th Jul 2021 at 22:26

Posted by: whups (6610) 

so according to you 1stroke wigan have never got players from france ? .

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 00:13

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

Whupsy

No, they have never got players from France.

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 11:37

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Morgan Escare, Romain Navarrete, Gaal Tallec

They were Wigan players from France

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 13:17
Last edited by cheshirecat: 29th Jul 2021 at 13:20:45

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

Were they really

If folk ask me a bloody stupid question, then they can expect a bloody stupid answer

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 13:31

Posted by: whups (6610) 

you started it 1stroke.try thinking before you put a reply on . and furthermore it has nothing to do with united as ALL the clubs in this country are in the same position . great init having run short of fruit & grocerys in supermarkets no drivers , no beds made , no fruit picked , well you got wot you wanted how does it feel .

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 14:29
Last edited by whups: 29th Jul 2021 at 14:33:08

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

I feel fine

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 15:18

Posted by: whups (6610) 

just wait till the shit hits the fan . you wont be so smug then.

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 15:22

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

No shit is going hit any fan

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 15:24

Posted by: whups (6610) 

it,s going to hit yours very shortly.

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 15:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

In that case I will have to be very careful

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 15:44

Posted by: whups (6610) 

maybe your right in more ways than 1 ? .

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 16:16

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 19:39

Posted by: tonker (23930) 

Replied: 29th Jul 2021 at 22:47

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3992) 

Hello TTS , the only issue i ave with your comment's on the people from Hong Kong are that i think it should be looked at quite seriously about the geographical size of the UNITED KINGDOM , i am not syaing ban all , but we are a very small country with an ever increasing population and i believe there as to be ,shall i say a brake put on somewhere ,sometime ,we just cannot and i don't think we will be able to sustain these vast numbers coming into the UK ,that's all .. stay safe mate ,,,,,,,GB

Replied: 31st Jul 2021 at 12:07

Posted by: tonker (23930) 

Replied: 31st Jul 2021 at 12:38

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7812)

I used to like Hong Kong Fooey

Replied: 31st Jul 2021 at 14:15

 

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