old ince

dose anyone know what was on the spare land before the old peoples home at the side of the manley on ince green lane.

The railway line that ran from wigan central station to mnchester central and on the left was the site of the old engine shed., beyond the old peoples home, you can still see the bridge that was the line from the station.

aitch

If I remember right you put on an old foto of the line some time back,am I right ?

i hope you had copyright on that photo aitch or you willl have youknowwho on your case

Thanks for the info guys, my neice was asking me the other day,all i remember is that as kids we used to catch newts in a little stream that run under the bridge towards fosters.

The bridge is still there talktalk, not sure about the stream although I do remember it, and Peter, I am full of remorse for purrin fotos on that I shouldnt have

Aitch, we love your photos.

I know you do Irene, but I am gerrin towards the time when I will have to meet my maker, and considering whats going on with the government, wot chance have I with a scouse priest, wot chance salvation for me, the mind boggles, or is choice a ger owt, I will take my chances with the man himself, not one of his hirelings, Ive nowt to be be scared of, which makes me wonder, ???????

I took these photographs of this area in April 2009...







Those three show the area where Lower Ince Station once stood.





The last two show the bridge mentioned above.

on your second picture!
if you look at the houses to the top left, this is where the sidings were for the trains.
my grandad used to shunt wagons there in the 40s and 50s

You have got that wrong Peter, the top left was the wagon works yards, granted there were wagons there, but only for repairs, On the last picture that was the bridge through which the line to Wigan Central ran and to its left was the site of the old central shed

Here you go... the 1929 OS Map, the area is top centre...

Ince 1929

this is what was there originally Talktalk,and black staff

Manley pub is behind the water spout in the middle, line to wigan and hindley on left.

So that is looking away from the above bridge?

The wall to the above bridge is on the left, just above the engine shed, you can just see a bit of Ince Parish church Caddy

Aitch, the area where the picturesque (I always thought) Lower Ince Station stood, where trains went to Irlam from, we used to call The Little Jungle. Keep putting your fabulous pictures on.....you've a long time before you meet your Maker, (and I'm sure he'd love to see some pics of Ince anyway!)

I remember the little jungle well Irene, by the side of the clinic, It was mostly rhododendrons if I remember right

I and my friends used to have lots of fun playing in the little jungle on our way home from the minors,Regal cinema, Saturdays.
Aitch, I always enjoy reading about old Ince and especially your input, I really appreciate it, Thanks.

there were train carriages and wagons parked up next to the little jungle
me and some of my mates got caught playing on them with the bobbies.
and Aitch there were lines where i said there was i lived on Warrington rd lower ince and we used to play over what we called the blackie wall next to Brittania bridge school
later kwik save was built there

Would this be the place, the coaches on the left are ready for dismantling, the office is just to the left of the coaches, and the other photo I have put on is the site of the old kwik save

this is taken from the lower Ince station bridge on Ince green lane

some good photos there aitch, are you ok

some good photos there aitch, are you ok

talking to your self again bren, lol, Im fine love, how are you and M, not heard from you for a while.

Fine thanks had a few probs with M but were getting there

give her my best wishes Bren, and you take care

thanks 4 the photos an info guys photos r great

Was this wall once part of Lower Ince station bridge?
May 2010

It wasn't jo anne, it is what is left of the surrounding wall of Ince Clinic, the railway bridge was just to the left of the dark coloured car.

Yep.. and here is the evidence....


originally posted by Bill Eatock on Wigan World Albums.

Thanks, Aitch and Black Staff.

yer welcome

just some other bits of interest, the fill material for the railway cutting came from the embankment further along the line that linked to the main line near the cemetery, when excavation began on that the original brickwork arches came to light which had been filled in many years before. the majority of all the old station platform stone slabs were reused on Wiagn Pier area and just finally the bridge at Ince Green lane was never demolished but filled in underneath and left inplace the parapet walls demolished and the new footpaths taken through.

fond memories, remember going to the clinic when I was a nipper, dont know why they pulled it down.
All your photos are brill.

There was a photo in one of the evening papers at the time of the arches, but try as I might, I have not been able to find it, the embankment is still there behind the new medical centre, we were closing the scrap area down at Thompson's yard and the arches where just behind were we worked, If I remember right there were about 9 or 10 of them.
just behind the brake van to the left is the embankment in question

I have just been having a mooch in the Album section, and found this...


Originally posted by Karen.

It is the only that I have seen that shows the old bridge. It is practically right at the end of Manley Street.

Aitch, never heard of the arches before in Ince. Can you use my link to the OS Map above to pinpoint where they were? I will then put my amazing search powers to bear in finding a picture.

Oh and another... from the other side.


Originally posted by the Rev. David Long, who holds the copyright thereoff with all rights reserved..

Now.. aitch, don't start.

Moan instead about the loss of those two great monsters in the distance. That was in the day when they earned their keep, before they had to go. Before some in the UK realised that the remains of industry also had a part in tourism, and social history. Imagine it... people today would travel far and wide to see Wigan's Two Towers.... opportunity lost.

Okay, I am one of those who was sorry to see them go.

Black Staff, the arches were immediately behind Laycock's timber place hidden beneath the embankment they were brickwork not stone as many others around and yes probably about ten in number

Black staff, the embankment was the one behind Laycocks and stretched to where the Iron bridge went across the springs branch line to top place steel works, I was told that there was a wagon repair works in the area from Donkey Lane to the embankment, and I dont see any link to give you any more info, but I definitly remember the photo, the headline was about our forgotten past. try your best caddy, If any one can do it you can.

Superb. Well done all concerned!

Orrelite and aitch.

My ignorance is showing here... Donkey Lane? I have no idea where that is. I am going to give you two links to the OS Map of 1927, one shows the areas of Laycocks, and the other shows the area east of that. I apologise now, they are massive maps and may take a minute or two to display, but will help to pinpoint things...

Ince 1927 1

Ince 1927 2

I find stuff like this fascinating. I had no idea these arches existed.

I also remember seeing a link that showed past issues of a supplement that I think appears in the evening post. I don't get it, but am I right in thinking they run a weekly feature with old photographs and news stories? I cannot remember what it is called, but somewhere online they are available to look at.

on map 1 the section of the LMS line between The Hall of Ince and Crow Orchard cottages from almost Warrington road bridge to the point on the line marked as M.P.s was the section with the arches.
Just another bit of interest behind the church on Warr road and behind the cemetery adjacent to the main line across the coal wharf line , we took the disused footbridge and used it at Parson,s Meadow Poolstock to cross the stream on the job there ,I am not sure if it is still there today

You are right there Orrellite,that is the embankment in question, and as for Donkey lane, I may have the name wrong, but it was always called that by people I knew, it stretched from warrington road, behind what is now Vartys workshop, and is shown as a dotted line on your first map beside delph bridge, and crossing the branch to top place line, then going towards the old GC line, around the back of Marlbourough Avenue area

I have just been looking at an earlier map than 1927 and the section with the arches is clearly not marked by hatching as embankment and thus must be the section as the line would continue through at the same level, up at 400% there are 7/8 dots on the arch section and may denote the number.
the map is on old-maps.co.uk under Ince in Makerfield \Old Maps
sorry not into this link business

Allow me Orrelite...

www.old-maps.co.uk

The site does not allow a specific link to a particular map... but you can work from the main page.

Just for future reference this is how you post a link...



Don't try to copy that text, it is not text... but a picture of text. If I actually typed it the link would show and not the code. Don't forget the red quotation marks, the blue is the actual link address, the purple is what is displayed in the message... you can put anything where the purple text is.

Aitch... of course, I have heard of Donkey Lane before now that you have mentioned it. It was in a discussion about The Hall of Ince in the album section.

Great pictures of Lower Ince railway station Black Staff. My Grandma and Grandpa Birchall lived at 22 Junction Tce.Grandpa was an engine driver.

My old driver used to live in Junction terrace, but his name was Harry Marriot, this was in the early 60s I also worked with his son Jack at the wagon works

Hello,all this is fascinating! you mentioned the Wagon works, my Grandad worked at Wigan Wagon Works in the 1920`s, I`ve not been able to find anything out about it.I`ve no idea where to look, please help, thanks

curtged, If your grandad worked at Wigan wagon works, then his place of work was near to spring view, it was behind the old St Marys church, and I have never seen any photos on this site, of the area. There were 3 wagon repair works, the main one being The Central Wagon works near to Ince bar, the other was the Ince wagon works which was down Christopher street, behind the public hall, there was also a small place near to Rose bridge by the side of the canal, although I cant remember that place I have been told it did indeed exist, hope this helps you in some way

thanks for the info, just wish I`d asked him more about it but unfortunately I was only 8 when he died.I`m doing my family history and all of my dads family come from Wigan (Lower Ince) , Baldwin St, Richard St and Warrington Road.I`ve saved the map that black staff has put on,it shows all of these (thank you black staff)really helpful!

thanks for those photo,s,brought back happy memories
i spent some time playing in the little jungle,and over the "blacky wall"

and the little clinic
i remember some kids coming out of therre with purple heads,what was all that about?

oops! some links not working

Jo anne the section of wall in your pic formed part of a childrens play area known locally as "the clinic park" if memory serves me right it had 4 swings on a long frame a rocking horse for multiple riders, a rocket shaped climbing frame and a slide all in the good old pre health and safey era. The play area was several feet below road level and the little bit of wall you see in your picture actually had iron railings running along it. The clinic park was dismantled and filled in when they built the access road to the estate which now occupies the old waggon works site.

As for kids coming out of the little clinic with purple heads Staffbullterrier it was a treatment for nits my old son. Legend had it that school caretakers carried out this treatment in school cellars if you had nits.

Hello Newzealandwiganer. The purple stuff was Gentian violet, it was used on impetigo, ringworm and other skin conditions, not on head lice or the nits. It always seemed to be the kid with clinic glasses and a hole in his ganzey and shoe for that matter, that had the purple face or head. I know this because he was my mate. It was a normal sight around the Ince clinic in the early sixties. The head lice was dealt with the one who was feared most....'Nitty Norah The Bug Explorer'!

A very good thread. it brought back lots of memories, of the the clinic and little jungle.

Joseph1,
Spot on ,if you know what I mean