Haydock Old Photos

Looking for any old photographs from the area covering, Ashton in Makerfield station southward to St James church in Haydock. Garswood House (but not Hall), North Florida, Millfield Farm, Old Boston, Old Boston pits, Haydock Colliery, Church Rd, Penny Lane, Kenyons Lane.
I just want a scan of any you may have.

Here's looking up Church Road, from where the Tesco now is, towards Ashton.

is that one of the old pony drawn icecream carts on the left?

Have a look on this site ..... Old Haydock Pics.

Tonker--theirs also a DVD that was made of haydock form old 8mm film and photo's that they could get hold of,I've watched it

Tonker, seeing as this a Haydock thread I should have posted on here first..but I saw the Doe Riding thread and saw you'd been on there, so I posted there..

It was a post for you tonker, so would you mind looking at that for me, I'm asking you for some info...Thanks...

Jouell, any houses behind there would be long gone before I was born.
Next to the Owl's Nest is the old Labour Club, which is now a Chemist - convenience store. That's as I always remember it.
I looked on old maps and there was some sort of building there in 1929, but it doesn't look like a row of houses.

What year was your mum born?

tonker she was born in 1924..I'm 65 and I have vague memories of cottages, back off the rd, not facing the road but sideways to the rd..I know they where on the right hand side of the rd going toward St Helens and there was a nice white pub about 50yds or so from the cottages.. Maybe I have the name of the pub wrong...They were only tiny cottages, about 5 or 6 of them ..if you can find anything, I'd be grateful...if not, I'll live, don't go crazy looking for them.....it's upright looking for his grandmas old home got me thinking of mine..Thanks

Thanks Tonker I had already looked at that site but the photos are to small. I was hoping someone had a photograph or post card they could have scanned in at a high resolution There's still hope

Does anyone know where Haydock Station was exactly ?

I think it was on the left hand side as you go past the entrance of Station road towards St.Helens.If you look at those old photos that looks like Station road on the left.

Kenee, I know where it was, because I lived about 50 yards from it!

Like Spectre said, go past the Methodist Church, then past Station Road, and there's the back side of a health centre on your left. Just past that, there's an estate of old folks bungalows at a lower level than the main road, called Greenwell Road. That's where the station was.
On the right of the main road, facing Greenwell Road, is a stretch of grassed land at road level, which is the filled in embankment.

Does anyone know where Stone Row was or is?

A row of houses on Clipsley Lane, about 200 yards before the Huntsman pub, on your left when you're heading towards St.Helens centre from Ashton.

Here it is ..........

Thanks spectre & tonker

Station Road, the name's a clue isn't it !

Station Road starts at Cooper Lane and carries on until it meets Clipsley Lane at the Methodist Church.

Station Road starts at Cooper Lane and carries on until it meets Clipsley Lane at the Methodist Church.

Jouell, It wasn't Ebanezer st was it? that ran at right angle to West end rd & it was in the area you mention,

Bentlegs,Ebenezer st had a small row of terraced houses on the right hand side.There used to be a few cottages down the track at the side of the Owls Nest which sounds like the white pub that Jouell mentioned.

Ok, now I am getting confused as to which pub it is...Owls Nest or Ship Inn..I know I said Owls Nest at first, then changed to Ship Inn, now I don't know..

Are both those places past the Huntsman on the way to St H, as I know it was past there....there was a white pub and the row of cottages stood back away from the rd, at right angle to the rd and she talked about a entry way to or between the cottages that she was always scared of...but that is all I know..

jouell I can't see it being the ship inn,in the old days there were a couple of cottages between the pub and the canal but i think they were gone before we were born.I'd guess it was more than likely to be Ebenezer st.The owls nest is about 150 yards higher up West end rd.

spectre...I don't remember if I saw the cottages or not...I remember cottages somewhere, but not sure where.....I just remember every time we went to St Helens my Mam would point out and say " that's where I lived when I was little"... and there was a white pub that was back off the rd and she'd point out about 50 or so ft to the back and right of the pub ( as you're facing it)was where the row of cottages were, at right angles to the rd. Every time I went that way, and the last time was about 20yrs ago, there were trees there.....It definately wasn't 150 yds away from the pub..

She was born in 1923 I don't know how long she lived there, I know she went to St James school, but don't know when she started there....or when the cottages were demolished...

jouell my dad was born on West End rd near the Ship inn in 1914.I never heard him mention any cottages to the right of the Ship inn.The only cottages behind there were called Copper Row,but these were demolished well before 1924 probably in the 1800s and they were on the right hand side as you went up Stanley Bank way.

There used to be houses all the way down to the brook, both sides of the road. The Ship Inn is only a matter of yards past where the houses ended, but is set back on the right.
Maybe your mum lived in one of those houses, just before the ship?

My dad was born, in 1925, in the last house on the left, next to the brook (Black Brook), a few doors down from the Black Horse pub.

I would say the Black Horse was only two houses made into a pub, and its now change back to houses no one would know a pub had ever been there

Used to be known as Jackie Lyons in the 1960s.Myatts hairdressers was next door.

I think it was just one house, Dougie, like the Colliers arms. Alan Lyon (Lenny) was a friend of mine.

I still don't know which pub,( the last time I saw it with my Mam was about 25 years ago )but if you are stood facing the pub, to your right it was all trees, no buildings...

I guess I could get a copy of her birth certificate, it should have the name of the street, shouldn't it?

I am sure Jouell that it was the Owls Nest you saw & below the pub were old cottages knocked down in the 70s, my sister in law lived in one,

"if you are stood facing the pub, to your right it was all trees, no buildings..."

Must be the Ship Inn then. 25 years ago, the Labour Club would be 'to your right' if you were facing the Owls Nest, with no trees there.

Haydock Station -

I'm going to send for a copy of her birth certifcate, sort this out once and for all... I can do it on line, but will have to give a card number to pay and I really don't like doing that..but they want stirling and I don't have any.. so card # it is...

Thank you everybody for your input, much appreciated and I will let you all know when I find out..

By the way tonker, where was Haydock Station?

I gave a discription of where Haydock station was, up above, at 20th October, at 21:18.

A good read for Steam Engine enthusiasts.

The chap who had the Haydock engines built, lived in This House. The house is still there, but divided into three!

PS. If you give us your mum's maiden surname, we could look her up for you.
If not me, someone will!

ok tonker, thanks..that's really nice of you, save me messing about...My Mam was Doreen Cocker, fathers name Alfred Cocker, mother Elizabeth Cocker.nee Livesley and my Mam was born Sept 8 1923...

My dad's mum was a Livesley, from Blackbrook. And I'll bet you're related to Joan Cocker, who I went to school with!

There was a family called Livesley lived in Juddfield st,dont know if they are related.

Really really sad to say, that I know nothing of either of my grandparents families.. What I do remember being told, was my grandmothers parents shunned her because she married 'beneath' herself.... The only memories I have of my grandfather, ( he died when I was 10) are of him being 'bedridden', I don't know why..but my only memories of him, were my climbing onto the bed to snuggle with him and the smell of hin pipe... Don't know what kind of job he did, although I was told he got caught a couple of times poaching on someones land..I guess in those days they did what they had to to feed the family...

Cocker isn't a common name... My Mam always said Joe Cocker the singer was a cousin... that his grandfather and mine were brothers, that his grandfather was run out of lancashire by the police for constant poaching... I don't know if any of that is true..but pictures of Joe, look very much like pictures of my Grandad...

This news paper cutting was sent to me of Haydock picture house

We used to go there in the 1950's.Things like The Durango Kid,Bowery Boys,Old Mother Riley and George Formby to name but a few.The film I always remember the most was the classic The Dam Busters,the good old days.

Message for tonker!!

Hiya...please could you tell me if the pic you posted of the row of white cottages was Stone Row?? If so, sorry I didn't say thanks. I've only just seen it.

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Tonker might be away but I can confirm it is Stone Row,near little Park St in Clipsley Lane.The shop next to Stone Row was owned by Saints and Great Britain captain Alan Prescott in the 1950's he later became landlord of the Stork Hotel in Kitt Green Rd.When Saints won the challenge cup in 1956 he put the cup in his shop window.

Thank you spectre...one of my ancestors on my grandfather's side lived in ome of those cottages. I can add the pic now to my tree on ancestry. Am I right in guessing that the cottages are no longer there?

Hi latics you're correct they were replaced by what is known as town houses,not sure when they were demolished but it was quite a few years ago.

hi. my son (a Wiganner) now lives in Cooper Lane Haydock.
Does anyone have any old photos or know the history of Cooper lane.

My uncle lived in Cooper Lane in the 1950's

Cooper Lane enjoyed it's 15 minutes of fame a few years back, when Dan Regan was shot and killed in his house.

yes Tonker the day of the shooting was the day my son moved into the street-nowt to do with him I might add but what a lovely wlcome tothe neighbourhood.

I used to go to a place near that picture drome about 40 years ago. Fishwicks, for me photographic stuff, in fact I still have a catalogue somewhere.
Then later they started selling fishing tackle,bought some of their stuff too, after that it burned down...Never heard of 'em since.
Was it Grange Valley? Seems to ring a bell that name

Snap I got a camera there in the 70s Art,it was Fishwicks first turning on the right as you turned into Grange valley

Dougie, that photo of Haydock Picturedrome was taken from my grandparent's front garden, by my grandfather, (my mum's dad).
It was 244 Clipsley Lane.
The picturedrome was owned by my auntie's parents, Mr and Mrs Bracegirdle, who also owned the one in Orrell.

A picture of the 'Colliery School' taken from Grange Valley.
This school was Grange Valley Youth Club, now Haydock Community Centre -

Bracegirdle

Tonker I was sent two photo's the one of the picture place which I knew, plus the one that you've just uploaded but had know idea what it was, in 1955 I think that was part of the coalboard offices for the St-Helens area, that was the place you had to go for your medical or it could have been next door, the mining School was in St-Helens in 1955

No Dougie. That building was the 'Colliery School', built by Richard Evans & Co..
The offices were on the other side of the road, towards where Tesco is now. Other offices, canteen, medical centre, etc. were on the site which is now occupied by Aldi, Iceland and a couple of private businesses, plus an Indian Restaurant / Pub, opposite Tesco.
Tesco is now on the Central Engine and Wagon Works site.

Tonker was your dad a joiner at Haydock foundry before going to parkside also was he into boxing by any chance,was at my brother-in-laws tonight looking at the school photo you uploaded he attended that school as a lad

Yes Dougie, he was. He worked at the foundry until the mid 60's when he went to Parkside. I think it was when the foundry closed down. He was boxing from being about eight years old, turning professional in the late 40's.
My dad would be 85 now, but he didn't go to that school. My mum did and she's 83.

their both 78 and both know your dad as he had done work for them on their house years ago, said he was a nice chap (not like his son)also he was a good boxer thats why I asked, buy the way the photo you uploaded of the school is a much better one than was sent to me but its not the same photo

I was telling my mum today, Dougie. She asked me who your brother in law is. Of course, I didn't know, but I said I'd ask. His surname would do!

She will know them both as he talks with her from time to time,you said your dad didn't go to that school but your Mum did

Dougie, I told my mum who your brother in law is and, as you know, she knows them well. Turns out it's Dave Tinsley's uncle from Grange Valley! My mum thinks he was in the same class as my uncle Jackie at the colliery School.

Ask him does he know any of these men in the Stable Yard .....

He will see the photo you've uploaded as he looks on WW, he should have loads of old photo's of Haydock

PS when you see this e-mail me the names if you know any

He got back to me about the photo only knew them by sight as they was part of the NCB drivers that delivered the coal,

The photo was taken in Monks field looking to the main road

Tonker-You may like to print these photo's off to show your Mum see if she knows any old Haydockers,the brother-in-law is on the first photo back row on the right taken 1955

Tonker:
I think that farm is where my grandma used to live. Can you ask your mum if she knows Emily Bond or Robert Eden, or any of the Bond family - Syd, Stan, Len.

Kenee, I've asked. And my mum knows the Bonds very well. All the names you've mentioned there, and more!

This is how it went -

"Ooooooh yes, Emily Bond and they used to call him 'Bob' Eden. They're a big family, Bonds. Len bond was a good friend of your dad's, and he gave me that big flowering cactus plant years ago, that's it in the porch, it's a nice one. Well, Old Mrs Bond had greenhouses and used to grow chrysanthemums ......... etc. etc. etc. ....."


I know Philip Bond myself. He was always round my mum and dad's house when he was a lad. He worked at Parkside, but I don't know what he does now. Probably retired?

PS. are you related to the Edens from Central Drive?


Dougie, do you know anything else about the photos? Like, what was the coach trip for? etc.

Sorry no he just e-mailed me the photo's,it would be nice if he would look put some old photo's of the area for people to see the changes, like this one before Tesco only going further back

Tonker:
Thank your mum for that info, sadly I haven't kept in touch with the Bonds, I never knew Philip, was he the one that lived off Vista Road? There was a second cousin, Daniel(Danny), who I never met until I was 17, then we became pally. Tragically Danny died when he was 21.

Syd Bond kept in touch, He was my Godfather, smashing bloke, lived at Landgate, sadly he died about 4 years ago.

I don't know the Edens from Central Drive, we could be related, I don't know. Horace Eden lived in Cooper lane and worked in the butchers, then he moved to Croft. He passed away in the late 1970s. Doll still lives in Penny Lane.

My dad, Len, died 1993.

I knew Danny well he had an older brother and a sister who worked on the the buses.They lived in the first house on the left in Fosters rd.

When I met Danny I was playing in a band (they were called groups then). Danny had a van so I got him to be our 'roadie'. In 1967 we played at Rivington hall with Pink Floyd, I think Danny was probably with us on that night. Great days.

Does anybody remember Dave Whalley, the singer?

The coach trip was to Blackpool about 1948 the man with the tie fifth from the left is your uncle Jachie,
he's taking a DVD round for your Mum of all the old photo's/tapes of Haydock you may also like to have a look but it's about three hours long I think she'll enjoy it, I've seen it but didn't want watch three hours of old Haydock would have been OK if it was Downall Green

She'll be pleased with that, Dougie. And I'll watch it too!

Dave Whalley lived acouple of doors away from Haydock No1 labour club,he used to play football with us on the old working mens club bowling green after it moved.I kow he went into singing in the clubs but I can't remember his stage name.

Kenee,

Philip Bond's dad was called 'Snowy' Bond, because he had white hair. He worked in the baths at Parkside colliery.
They lived in number 6, Chapel Street, when my mum and dad lived in number 12. My dad's brother, Jimmy, moved into there when Bonds moved out.

Horace Eden managed one of Freddie Forshaw's butchers shops, the one next to the Wagon and Horses pub on Clipsley Lane.
He was a keen photographer too.

Dave Whalley's brother used to drive a coach for 'Glover's' and sometimes a coal wagon. He might be a cousin of Alan Whalley, who writes a bit of (nearly right) history in the St.Helens newspaper.
Alan lived in Park Street.

(information from my mum)

Alan Whalley retired a couple of years ago,its now called Coffey Time,not as good as Whalleys World.

Yes, Horace was a keen photographer, I remember watching him process films and making enlargements in his darkroom. He had loads of gear, he was never away from Fishwicks in Grange Valley.

Dave Whalley was the singer in our band '66/'67. When he went solo I think he kept his own name. I know he did a summer season at the North Pier, Blackpool in the early seventies. He went under his own name then.

Was yours an Ashton group, and was Stuart Kilshaw in it?

Yes and yes, tonker. I started in Oggie & The Membranes, which changed to Frame of Mind, then back to O & TM, then Parr Four. You can read about it on Lanky Beat.com, under Oggie. There's also some stuff on WW under 'Oggie'
'Stuart Kilshaw, and 'Stuart Killshaw'

Kenee - I spotted an Eden in Ashton today, it was Terry. Is he one of yours?

PS., I knew Stuart as he lived near me.

There's a few Edens about but I don't know a Terry.

I used to have a laugh with Stuart, in my yoof.

joull,
The houses you refer to behind the owls nest pub were called Florida Cottages,these were built at right angles to west end road. The garden "fences" were made of solid stone slabs about 5 foot square and 2" thick. I vaguely remember my grandmother taking me there around 1940 {give or take a couple of years}. She was born in these cottages.

Parrdog

Parrdog- glad your not another Haydocker are this site could finish up like Ashton did in the 50s, over run with them anyway

dougie
sorry to disappoint you,born in Haydock brought up in Parr.Now back in Haydock. Those photos you posted of NCB Haydock workshops machine shop,I knew everyone there {bar the odd 1 or 2}. I worked there at the same time

do you know the man in the first photo back row on the right it's my brother-in-law he comes from Haydock worked there till it closed,my brother also worked there but was from Downall Green he then moved to Woodpit

Now, now, Dougie, this site is already overrun with St.Helensers, and you know it!

Tonker:

Please pass this on to your mum,
I have just heard that Horace's son Robert has died from a heart attack. He was 61.

Parrdog - There were some 'Florida Cottages' up Haydock Lane, where the area is named 'Florida'. They also had huge stone flags at the front, all bolted together with cast iron rail couplers. Could you be mistaken?
If you worked at the foundry at that time, you probably know my dad too!

Kenee, my mum remembered Horace's son when he was a boy, she said they lived in Cooper Lane.

tonker,
I have looked up the 1881 census of Florida cottages and the numerator has listed these cottages between Old Toll Bar and Blackbrook. I presume he would have listed these when he was at Haydock lane. {what do you think}
I worked at the foundry until it closed in 1964 I most likely would have known your dad.
PS.Ihope you don't mind me telling you it's pronounced Sentelliners

Dougie
Yes I know your brother in law, he still lives in Haydock.

According to the St.Helens Chat forum, it's pronounced 'Sintelliners'.

Sintelliners, Sentelliners, St.Helensers - It means the same thing, eh.?

Which part of the foundry did you work in?

Parrdog--would he know you as he looks in here but not registered give him a clue to your name,
Parrdog--I come from Downer Green and to me it's St-Helen and St-Heleners

PS Tonker-- did you see the DVD of Haydock

Dougie, I've not seen it yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Hi All
Just came across this thread after googling ''Forshaw's Butchers Haydock'' Just thought I'd pass on a bit of info. . . . In the photo of the men in the stable yard the man standing at the back on the left is my grandad Jack Boardman and the man sat at the front on the right I'm told is Dennis Macdonald. Jack also lived in the last house next to the brook a few doors down from the Black Horse pub. My mum was born there. She remembers a lot of the people mentioned in this thread. She used to play with a girl called Iris Livesley. I've seen the photo from the stable yard on other websites but I'd love a good copy if anyone knows who has the original.

shutternutter, you just beat me to it, It is Denis Macdonald on the right, he was brother to my sisters husband Bill,From Judfield st,

shutternutter. my dad was born in the last house, next to the brook, a couple of doors from the black Horse.
His mum was Mary Livesley, married Frank Bate, and she was brought up there.
She had a sister called Lizzie and a brother called Jimmy, as far as I know, but I've never heard of Iris.

Ask your mum does she remember them!

Tonker, a couple of questions for you. 1) In an earlier posting, you mentioned "Snowy" Bond. Was that the same one that worked in the Baths at Boston Pit?

2) Going past the Huntsman towards the East Lancs, on the other side of the road, on the corner there is or was a biggish house nr. 341. Its probably before your time, but do you remember any of the original family that lived there? They had a lad, Ron, (pit electrician) that died as a result of a motorbike accident in 1951 after crashing his Sunbeam.

Uncle Joe -

1) I don't know for certain but, if it was, he'd only be a young chap when Boston was open.

2) I know the house you mean, but don't know who lived there. It's in Ashton, by the way, not Haydock.
I asked my mum about this one and she told me that the only lad killed on a bike about that time was the Haydock Police Sergeant's son who lived just across the East Lancs, on the right.
My auntie lives directly across from the house you mean, so I'll ask her for you when I get back from Mora. If I can remember. And I probably won't!

Thanks for that, Tonker. Is it Mora in Sweden that you are going to?

No. It's Mora d'Ebre, on the River Ebro about 40 miles from Tarragona, Spain.

Here's some Old Haydock Mining Pics. to look at!

Tonker..You mention a Uncle Jack...is he by any chance jackie Ashcroft from Station Road.

Good photos of the Haydock pits Tonker,my dad worked at Wood pit from early 1950's till it closed.

Hello Philip, no, it wasn't that Jack, it was a different one.

I often wonder how you and Alvina are going on in the wilderness. Have the Black Flies not eaten you yet?

Tonker, did you remember to ask your Aunty that question?

Yes, I rang her up, just now, as you'd reminded me!

The story goes like this :-

"Oooooh, well, in 1951 I was twenty six and I started working for Jack's mother in the post office. It was winter because it was thick with snow, and she sent me on an errand to that house with a parcel. Now, there was an elderly lady living there on her own, she was a widow, and her name was Mrs. Thomason. I remember, because she sat me down and gave me two nice mince pies and a hot drink because it was cold, and she gave me a little electric heater to put in the post office and Jack's mother wouldn't let me plug it in!
When she died, Eileen Potter moved in there with her husband, I think her married name was Kenny, but they had a shop up Park Road in Fingerpost".

So, I asked my auntie if she knew of anybody getting killed, in 1951, on a motorbike. And she said :-

"It might have been Mrs. Thomason's grandson. Did he live across the new road and was his dad a police sergeant"?


You have it as I have it.

His Dad was a miner, his Gran was a Mrs. Thomlinson. That names close to the one your Aunty mentioned...Thanks for the answer.

Their was two one was killed in Slag Lane, I think one was sergeant Tyson's son killed on a scooter the other was Ron Heaton killed on a motorbike is dad was an electrician in the mines, could get to know better off the Brother-in-Law

Dougie, it is Ron that I am interested in. If memory serves, he used to mate around with a Bill Atherton.

Dougie, my mum is friendly with the lad killed on the scooter's mum. She says his name was David and he ran into the back of a lorry near the top of Vista Road.
The sergeants son was called Donnolly.

Joe, where was Ron Heaton from? Was he a mate of your's or a relative?

Tonker, he was born in St. Helens, and then moved to the house I mentioned when it was built. He is a relative, my uncle.

Talked to my Brother-in-law your Mum was right, it was me that got it mixed up

I hope you don,t mind my joining in, the street below the Owls nest was Ebenezer st. I went with a girl who lived there. My step grandfather worked the signal box next to the Conservative club. Hope this is some help.

piccyme all input to any thread on WW is welcome any photo's of it

Thanks for welcome mat , Dougie. We were brought up here just after the war started from Devonport having been bombed out twice. We started life in Haydock in 28row with my father,s parents.My step grandfather worked the signal box next to the Tory club.Sorry plenty of memories no photos.

Have you saved some like these for the future,as I said join in keep posting even Haydockers are welcome
Going Going

Gone for ever

Why I'm on dose anyone know Buster that lived in Haydock in 1955 may still live there can't remember his name, he will be 71/72 as we did our training for the pit together funny how a name just pops up

The consevative club was one of those buildings which was a landmark pity they knocked it down.

The Conservative Club tried for years to knock itself down and build a new one. But they couldn't, because it was a listed building.
Then, along comes Tesco's and does the job, no bother!

Do you remember the underpass opposite the signal box ,so you could get by when the gates were closed.It came out just before the gates to King Georges fields.

Hi piccyme123, I remember the underpass well we used to call it "the subway" and used to rollerskate down one side and up the other. The place used to stink as people used it as a urinal at night when the were taken short.