e-Milliband

Is he our Net Zero Plonker ?.

Sales of electric vehicles are on the rise. Sales of the electric vehicle reached a record high this year. Thus far, accounting for over 18% of sales.

I'm not interested in purchasing an electric vehicle, due to the logistics. But, they seem to be selling well in the UK.

It should be 22% to avoid fines of £15,000 per non electric car sold. The buyers are mainly companies who can enjoy tax advantages.
Unless there’s a relaxation of the rules there’ll probably be other manufacturers following the Vauxhall closure of the Luton factory.
In Germany VW are looking to close 3 factories plus an Audi plant in Belgium. Additionally they intend to cut wages by 10 to 15%.
Net zero and sky high industrial electricity prices are causing major problems across the EU and UK.The chemical and pharmaceutical giant Bayer is moving some of its pharmaceutical production to the United States where electricity prices are a fraction of the costs in the EU and UK. When you come in to land at Cologne airport you see the vastness of the Bayer factories at Leverkusen. I dread to think of the cost of electricity to run a plant of such an enormous size.

Gaffer.
It boils down to the simple, basic economical phrase of supply and demand. The likes of Vauxhall, VW etc have simply got to move with times.
The consumer dictates the market, not, the manufacturer.
Surely they saw this coming and had contingency plans as back up!

Regarding electricity prices where you stated that the electricity in the USA are a" fraction of the costs than in the EU and UK" The USA imported almost 19% ( UK imported almost 24% ) of their electricity last year.
Obviously demand for electricity is higher in the USA than in the UK.
But, almost 17% of the USA's electricity is generated from coal and China's is over 50%!

But, the tory government closed all our mines. And now we are paying the price for it

UK punters don’t want electric cars, they’re not tempted by discounts of over 20% on brand new cars.
The UK coal industry couldn’t compete on world markets.

Electricity prices for industry. Daily Telegraph.

British companies are paying the highest electricity prices of anywhere in the developed world, official data has shown.

The cost of power for industrial businesses has jumped 124pc in just five years, according to the Government’s figures, catapulting the UK to the top of international league tables.

It is now about 50pc more expensive than in Germany and France, and four times as expensive as in the US.

The figures will fuel concerns about the future of UK industry amid warnings that high energy prices are crippling domestic manufacturers.

They underline the challenge facing Ed Miliband, the Energy Secretary, who wants industrial businesses to switch away from gas to electricity-powered processes.

According to what I have read, the sale of electric vehicles is indeed increasing, but not at the rate that was expected in relation to what is being produced by the manufacturers.

The resons might be things like the lack of charging points, especially in the more rural areas, or even the lack of confidence of the policies of the present government in increasing taxes, national insurance etc together with rumours of above average council tax increases is hardly giving people the confidence to buy a new vehicle.

You forgot to whinge about the winter fuel allowance and farmers inheritance tax

Handsomeminer

Not as much winging as you did before the election about the fourteen years of the previous Tory government!

A winge a day to help them on their way was your campaign

Handsomeminer, this thread was about net zero and reading it some good information was given by contributers. Why do you live in this tunnel vision that means if anyone criticizes Liebour, they are either whinging or disgruntled Tories. Everybody knows how bad the Tories were and you had a pop on every occasion, so stop bleating about anyone having a pop at your political god.

Milliband’s net zero consequences.

Without so much as a press release, Ed Miliband’s Department for Energy Security and Net Zero (DESNZ) quietly published a set of statistics on international energy prices this week. Coming as they did in the wake of the announcement that the Vauxhall plant in Luton is to close as a direct consequence of Miliband’s policies, with the loss of 1,100 jobs, it’s possible he hoped that if there was no official fanfare, no one would notice them.

For the figures are simply devastating. They show that large and very large industrial users in Britain — firms such as Vauxhall, owned by Stellantis — are already paying nearly three times more for the electricity they need to operate than the average paid by their competitors in the 14 Western European EU member states. This is before any of the measures Miliband and DESNZ plan to impose to create a “net zero” power grid by 2030 have taken effect.

As of June 2024, the last month covered by the dataset, large British firms were paying 27.91 pence per kilowatt hour (kWh) of electricity, and those in the EU just 10.80 pence. The difference faced by smaller companies was not quite as big, but was nevertheless formidable: such British firms are having to fork out well over double the EU average.

Yet back in July 2011, there was almost no differential for industrial users at all: the EU average price was then 7.04 pence per kWh and Britain’s 7.48 pence. Other figures, issued by DESNZ from data supplied by the International Energy Agency, show that the gap with America is even bigger, with US manufacturers paying just 6.48 p/kWh, less than a quarter. In Britain, already heavily dependent on renewables, the price of electricity has risen much faster than that of natural gas — for which UK users pay five times as much as consumers in the US and Canada. The new figures show that electricity costs UK industry six times as much per unit of energy than gas does. In France, factories pay only 2.5 times as much; in Germany, it is three times.

“It is not the price of gas that is driving UK electricity prices higher,” Turver writes. “It’s renewables subsidies and their associated costs such as grid balancing, storage and extra spending on the grid.” of the sums being extracted from their UK rivals.

The reason for the widening gap, writes energy expert David Turver, is the bewildering thicket of subsidies, levies and carbon taxes created by past Labour and Conservative governments that is designed to shift UK electricity generation away from fossil fuels.

Miliband has frequently claimed that the transition to Net Zero creates jobs and will reduce energy bills, and is in the UK’s “national self-interest”. He has blamed high electricity costs on spikes in the price of the natural gas still being burnt in British power stations, caused by events such as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Freaky because I want to

Posted by: gaffer
"As of June 2024, the last month covered by the dataset, large British firms were paying 27.91 pence per kilowatt hour and those in the EU just 10.80 pence. (kWh"

I'm paying 25p but I don't shut down my house! Feeble excuse by Vauxhall.
We where in EU once. so now we have left we are paying the price of leaving in electricity costs. Amongst other things.

I suspect that a lot of leaver voters did not see the broader picture, wood for the trees springs to mind!

Handsomeminer, your reply speaks volumes about your one sided view of life. Resorting to name calling is so childish, but about your level.

Cheshire Cat said:

"I'm paying 25p but I don't shut down my house!"

No, you just talk crap instead, Gaffer explained that manufacturing in this country is at a disadvantage to our competitors, because we pay a lot more for electricity than they do.

So tell me 'why' us being out of the EU is causing our electricity prices to be higher than they would have been, if we had stopped in the EU ?

CC

Do you live in a part of Wigan with a Warrington post code? Golborne perhaps.
With such an inane comparison of your domestic electricity cost and that of factories paying £ hundreds of thousands and, in some cases,£ millions you mustn’t have benefited much from your education.
The price differential with Europe is nothing to do with Brexit, it’s down to the 2008 Climate Change Act.

Gaffer.
I live in Altrincham. Have done for the last 25 years. I visit my hometown, Wigan to visit family and friends and also to socialise and do the odd bit of business.

As for you suggesting that I mustn’t have benefited much from my education" is quite amusing coming from a person who's only font of knowledge is to scour the internet / media for other peoples culminations of existing research without crediting your source, google!

Cheshire Cat

Many a time Gaffer has put on links to information sources, you on the other hand have {{{NEVER}}} posted a link to any information sources, nor have you ever posted a photograph on this site.

CC

I am a chartered mechanical engineer. Some of my information comes from the journals I receive on a regular basis from the institution.Much of the rest comes from business publications I subscribe to.
It’s surprising how much you can pick up from reading the Telegraph and Times which I have done for umpteen years. For me Google is a last resort.
I remember your comments on North Africa which overlooked the fact that most of it was taken up by the Sahara Desert. It suggests you weren’t a pupil of the Loreto Grammar or Altrincham Grammar School.

This small isle called UK..England or whatever...is well and truly Foooooked...Zero this...Zero that...immigrants...taxes
..Labour...Ye gods...where is it going to end. ?

Derek Ezra!

well this is interesting as i am looking for a new car, but it will not be electric under any circumstances. the other milliband can does us all a great favour and ask his brother the loon to join him in the good ole USA.
if it does not blow ,we could always use the hot air from ed to move quite a few turbine blades. a fiend of mine as an ev,he says its ok provided you charge it from home.he was away from his normal close to home area .he charged it up 45kwh at 79 pence a kwh .that equals £35.55P FOR 150 MILES. THATS EXPENSIVE.THATS OVER £12 PER GALLON ON A PAR WITH MY DIESEL