economy

How can this country make money when all the profit is being swallowed up by giving thousands of migrants money for doing nothing .Most jobs their doing is cash in hand.

bullshit . the biggest economic catastrophe in this country is the loophole of allowing the rich & big business to send their money out of the country . netflix sends it,s profits out of the country & gets it back as a "loan" from it,s own company office in amsterdam then claim tax relief of that loan . compare that to wot a migrant gets at £49.18 for each person blends into insignificance & i shudder to estimate wot amazon & the rest are getting away with ? .

Migrants get nothing. IMMIGRANTS, on the other hand get a gross figure of much more than £49.18 each. BUT, there are over 1.5 million of them in the UK. Multiply £49.18 a week by 1.5 million and you get £73 million a week. Which is a lot!
Another thing is, whereas the money paid to immigrants belongs to US, Netflix's money belongs to Netflix.

no they dont tonker .

Whupsy

Well your mate Mr Starmer has found a way around that, in that he is now sending anyone with any money in this country abroad, by resurrecting the 'tax exile system' of the 1970s when we were 'the sick mon of Europe' anyone with any money to invest in this country, will be investing it anywhere but Britain, and this 'investment summit' thing they are having today about attracting investment into Britain is a load of crap, in a few months time when folk ask what happened, did it attract any new investment, the answer will be 'no' all it did was give all these rich folk a freebie holiday in Britain, the British government will have sent luxury private planes to transport these 'entrepreneurs' over here, paid for them to stop in the most expensive hotels in London, give them a Royal Box at some West End Show's and all they have to do, is attend a summit and get p*ssed at the British governments expense, and say 'suckers' on their way home, saying I wouldn't invest in that dump of a country, if yoo gave me all the tea in China

ask any farmer who picks his produce 1stroke . it wont be our lot & that,s a fact . tonker netflix was paying tax in this country until they opened netflix international in amstrerdam they now pay no tax here & when they get it back as a loan they claim tax relief of which they have claimed several million from our exchequer . if that,s not bleeding the country dry then i dont know wot is ? . you seem to have forgot johnson,s freebies & cleaverleys too 1stroke & lets not leave your hero farage out of this with his gravy train EU pension & breaking the rules by hiring out his office for commertial profit .

here you are tonker - Asylum support rates are currently set at £49.18 per person per week or £7 a day to cover essential living needs like food, travel, clothing and communications. They are set at £8.86 for those in full board accommodation. Which was reduced in January 2024 from £9.58.

Whupsy

Yoo and Professor Stanley Unwin, have something in common, because you both speak 'Gobbledygook' LINK

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here you are tonker - Asylum support rates are currently set at £49.18 per person per week or £7 a day to cover essential living needs like food, travel, clothing and communications. They are set at £8.86 for those in full board accommodation. Which was reduced in January 2024 from £9.58.

Replied: 14th Oct 2024 at 11:51

At least they are warm. Who pays their heating bills?

you .

Whups is absolutely right about Netflix.
Previously In Italy, the company was the subject of a criminal investigation involving the tax authorities.
It was also under scrutiny by the UK who investigated their UK tax returns. or lack of them!
Netflix billed all its customers from a company based in Holland and did not declare the income to the UK tax authorities and other European countries.
Amazon is also another one. They do similar, but with a company based in Luxembourg .

they have very short memories on here cheshire cat & 1stroke in particular .

Tommy is a master at getting things wrong His above reply at 14.32 just about sums him up.
He needs to keep up to date with current economic affairs instead of continuously shooting from his lip on subjects he clearly knows nothing about, and continually missing his intended target

A course at night school / college may possibly help to educate him on economics and gain his CSE

Cheshire Puss

I have got 'O' and 'A' Level Economics.

Well done
Its a pity you don't use it

I think big firms and billionaires taking money out and sending it overseas is standard practice for every country on earth. It's something, whether we like it or not, that seems to be a necessary evil.

Perhaps the incentive of giving asylum seekers some money and accomodation etc is the reason why they travel all the way across Europe to the UK instead of being grateful just to be in the nearest safe country which they are supposed to do under International law.

And they all cannot be fleeing from persecution, torture and possible death as they claimed

In the meantime our homeless of no fixed abode, many of whom are ex. service personal have to live on the streets and rely on charities to help them to survive.

Priorities are all wrong and it will go even worse now that we have a government who see them if they are allowed to stay as future voters!

ex service personnal sometimes dont want to live in the real world after going to the middle east or n/ireland . maybe you just want to point the finger todger . wot is it that your afraid they are taking from you ? .

Whups, Asylum Seekers get £49 a week ...... PLUS .......

free accommodation
free council services
free heating
free water
free electricity
free dentist
free prescriptions
free opticians
free school meals for their kids
free clothes for their kids
free legal assistance should they need it
etc.!

rubbish tonker . they hav,nt been processed & cant get ANY of those things you put on & they are still in old wooden ex army barrack in dover . i dont think you,d be putting things like this on if they were spanish tonker .

According to gov.co.uk they can .... and do!

PS: If they were Spanish and came here illegally they'd get nothing, they'd be sent home immediately. That said, the Spanish would have more sense than to come here in the first place!
If I stayed in Spain longer than 90 days I'd get sent home too. If I had no money to support myself, I'd get nothing!

maybe but i,m sure YOU,LL have something to say on their behalf . but that link is only for when they,ve been processed .

Asylum seekers in the UK are generally not eligible for welfare benefits and social housing, and are usually not allowed to work.

whups

have the ex. military personal living on the streets told you what you have claimed?

Whusp Do you not realise there thousand more comming making seeing a docter taking longer.Hospital waiting lists longer.Its not rocket science.No use talking to you your on another planet..Open your eyes.Your in cuckoo land.

Whups its you who post a load of tripe, at any one time there has to be 5000 empty hotel rooms to house the thousands who come every year.

"at any one time there has to be 5000 empty hotel rooms to house the thousands who come every year."

And that's only a "buffer", a "just in case" margin!
The actual figure is much higher than that. And, at £85 per bed per night, that comes to £155 a year.

the only tripe is by people like you albion who look thru bigoted eyes & refuse to see the truth . those who your on about have been PROCESSED & got NI numbers not those who are still waiting . the reason people wait for doctors appointments is because the torys overloaded the system to break the NHS which you fail to see . wot is it with you lot ? wot are you scared of ? . wot is it you think they are taking from you ? . like iv,e said tonker if they were spanish i,m very sure you,ll be vocal in their favour . oh & todger i,m claiming nothing only my oap pension . wot are YOU claiming todger ? .

Asylum SupportLINK

The 'doctors appointment' situation is a very strange one to understand. How can the surgeries be 'overloaded' when there's never anybody in them?
There's never anybody in them because they give very few appointments out. Yet, go to the chemists shop and there'll be dozens of people queueing to collect medications, all prescribed remotely by doctors(?).
Which brings me onto this .........
A sign in the chemist's says - "prescription charge is £9.90 per item". It's not a 'prescription charge' at all, then. It's an 'item charge'. Which makes it more of a fraud than ever, as the cost of the medications is far less than the cost of dispensing (selling) them.
I know that not everybody pays this, personally, but a lot do and those who don't get it paid for by the NHS.
And they've got another sign up - "Save your Pharmacies". Apparently, they're closing rant away. And I can't see how that is, the money they must be making!

PS: Whups keeps mentioning Spain, so get this ......
I am taking blood pressure pills. They were prescribed by a UK doctor. Every 28 days I get a new box, which costs the NHS £9.90 as I'm over 60 so I don't pay myself.
I can buy those pills in Spain, at a local pharmacy, at €1.26 for exactly the same 28 days supply box.
Work it out. UK = £9.90, Spain = €1.26?
Multiply that profit by a couple of million every 28 days!

Blood pressure tablets over the counter at a pharmacy in Spain. Are you serious? They are prescription only!

Are you not getting confused with the "herbal" type the ones that you can buy at Holland and Barratt, or your local market?

You can get water tablets over the counter in Spain, but they will not be Furosemide as they are also prescription only. They will be the herbal alternative. You've been conned even at €1.26!

A big impact on the nhs is a we've gone soft a hell of a lot of people cough twice and want an appointment young men go in with a sore finger and of course mental health

Whupsy

What about this mon, do you want him in this country receiving handouts, and if he gets into this country, we cannot kick him out, because he comes from Afghanistan LINK

Chesh., Amlodipine 5mg are Amlodipine 5mg in any language.
Diclofenac are also available 'over the counter' in local pharmacies at €1.55.
Both are 'prescription only' in the UK.

It's a fact that the health system in Spain is far better than here.

Tonker

How is the Spanish Health Service funded ?

1st mate it seems you still dont get it THEY have to be processed to get anything . try putting in your search engine "how much do asylum seekers get a week". then ask wot they get if they arnt processed .

tonker your the same . the tory government has created all this with the NHS by underfunding it & running it down by overloading the entire system & privitising most of it. it,s not immigrants who make the law in this country but narrow minded bigots seem to think they do . how is it that you completely overlook the last 14yrs & the damage caused by an uncaring government who made the rich even richer while the country suffered ? . oh & by the way tonker it was the torys who got your beloved spanish kicked out of the country & stopped them coming in & there,s nothing in britian british anymore , the torys sold it off .

give him a medal i say 1stroke.

just for 1stroke - How is Spain's healthcare system funded?
The system is supervised by the Spanish Ministry of Health (Ministerio de Sanidad), which develops policy and oversees the national health budget. Over 70% of the healthcare system is financed by public taxes, which is reportedly around 11% of the GDP.

Thank yoo Whupsy

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1st mate it seems you still dont get it THEY have to be processed to get anything . try putting in your search engine "how much do asylum seekers get a week". then ask wot they get if they arnt processed .

Replied: 16th Oct 2024 at 16:37

People claiming asylum in the UK are not eligible for mainstream welfare benefits and are generally not allowed to work. Instead, asylum seekers who are destitute can apply to UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI, a Home Office directorate) for accommodation or money (or both) while they are waiting for a decision on their asylum claim. This is commonly referred to as 'asylum support'.
Asylum seekers also have free access to the NHS and may be eligible for free prescriptions, dental care, eyesight tests and vouchers for glasses. Children are eligible for 15 hours free early years childcare (for children aged between two and five). They have the same entitlement to state education as other children of compulsory school age and may be eligible for free school meals. Asylum seekers may be eligible for other discretionary schemes run by local authorities or other providers, such as concessionary travel on public transport.

LINK

Spain's healthcare system is funded primarily through general taxation and social security contributions ...... ie: they say the autonomo payment (like our N/I contribution) is €300 to €1250 a month.

Asylum Seekers are not 'processed'.

yes they are & that was the main problem for the last government . refugees arnt processed . 1st mate you put it over as they all were getting this that or the other but only in special cases which means very little of them are getting wot you suggest .

First Mate

Correct in what you say, but the problem on Wigan World is we have some people like Whups who beleive that they are all fleeing from persecution, torture or death when in the case of many, just coming to our country to start a business or get a job with a better lifestyle than they had in their own countries while others only are coming to jump on the band wagon of living on the benefit system and get free health treatment in what the see is a soft touch UK compared to the many other countries of Europe.

The problem for our border control people is sorting out the genurine from the non genurine, the latter of which are apparently are the majority of asylum seekers!

Whupsy

First Mate put a link on to his information, which is more than you ever do, and Asylum Seekers DO get all that help.

Whups, I know what you mean, but when they are processed they aren't asylum seekers anymore.
Once processed they become a 'refugee'. Laaaaike!

1stroke i cant put links on here so wind your neck in & go back to the racist that you are with todger . and they only get help WHEN THEY ARE PROCESSED .

"and they only get help WHEN THEY ARE PROCESSED"

No! You're wrong! They get help as soon as they arrive. They get help 'before' they arrive, actually, as they get helped to arrive!
They get financial help before they are processed as they are seeking asylum. Then they get financial help as refugees after they are processed and they are given the same rights as British Nationals 100%!

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1st mate you put it over as they all were getting this that or the other but only in special cases which means very little of them are getting wot you suggest

I'm suggesting nothing, they are FACTS published by the Home Office.

"Accommodation and financial support provided to asylum seekers explained in updated House of Commons Library research briefing
Summary
Concise and factual overview of the current levels of asylum support in the UK"

Here's the LINK again

Here's another one to consider .......

Council Tax discount for religious communities

If you are 18 or over and an active member of a religious community we won’t count you for Council Tax purposes if you meet both of the following criteria :-

1) You have no income or capital of your own and are dependent on the religious community for support. We will ignore any pension from a previous job.
2) Your religious community is mainly involved in prayer, contemplation, the relief of suffering, education or any combination of these.

Now, I wonder what religion has jumped on that government bandwagon?

Codger i agree with you these people are all take and no give.loads living near me working on the side..A ll claiming what they can scrounge.Nobody bothers them must be a rule for them and a differant rules for us'Everybody can see this except Whups.He must be a one off.

Most people in this country see what is going on but the ones who could do something about it do nothing to stop it.It just goes on and on.

Retep1949 Spot on everybody says the same.except Whups.

Whups reckons the thousands of boat people cause no problems with the NHS, they get free interpreters, and if they can only speak broken English they are allowed 20 minutes instead of 10, and don't pay a penny.

neither do tourist either . i,m no 1 off there,s a lot like me but there,s a lot of narrow minded like you . you keep on about british this & that when the truth is that nothing in britian is british anymore as the torys have sold everything off . you blame immigrants for everything but they arnt making the laws are they & not the real enemy of the NHS or your way of life the tories who,s pursute of greed has dragged the country down the gutter . get real you lot & for all those hypocrites who jump up & down when a forigner scores a try or a goal you shud be ashamed of yourselves .

i suppose you,d get an interpreter if you were in libya domino . i repeat they cant get anything until they get processed .

In the world of Whups, anyone who says the slightest thing about being concerned about the increasing number of asylum seekers, economic migrants, Immigrants, Refugees or whatever name they are called is a racist!

As bad as some of the other nonsense he keeps coming out with like the Tories selling off the country when some in the Labour Party have been no different and the NHS being sold off to the private sector when no political party in their right mind would do that as they no know that if they did, they would be commmitting political suricide.

He needS to stop basing his thinking on what he is fed by the Daily Mirror and the Socialist Worker!

What do you think about these Whups,

Upon arrival
Initial steps taken by authorities upon landing

6. For those not intercepted, primary arrival points include Dungeness, south-west of Folkestone, and St Margaret’s Bay, north-east of Dover. If those arriving are ‘intercepted’, either by Border Force or another UK vessel, they are taken ashore for ‘processing’. Boats are often brought to the Port of Dover. From there, the occupants may be taken to the Kent Intake Unit, near the car ferry terminal.

What happens to those illegally crossing the Channel who do not claim asylum?

7. Those crossing the Channel in a clandestine manner and who remain undetected may try to avoid the authorities and may go on to work illegally in the UK's shadow economy. Illegal working penalties for employers suggest the largest share are in London. When such individuals arrive they join what is estimated to have become the largest population of unauthorised migrants in Europe - between 800,000 and 1.2 million in 2017.[9]

8. The few crossing the Channel who are detected but who do not claim asylum may be detained but will usually be given temporary release, in accordance with Paragraph 21(1), Schedule 2 of the Immigration Act 1971 (as amended). They appear to have formed a significant portion of the 80,000 people who did not have permission to stay in the UK in September 2016 and who were living amongst the general public while being obliged to report regularly to the Home Office (failed asylum claimants forming the other portion). Half of the 80,000 lived in London; over 50,000 were deemed to have absconded in late 2016.[10]

i think it,s bullshit . so todger wot do you think of ours going over to foriegn climes then . do you think they shud be treated the same way that you treat those coming here ? .

Whups,why do you only believe what you read,and everyone else are wrong if they don't suit you,what I copied was official, I will put the bit
which I reckon is the one which upsets you on again.

7. Those crossing the Channel in a clandestine manner and who remain undetected may try to avoid the authorities and may go on to work illegally in the UK's shadow economy. Illegal working penalties for employers suggest the largest share are in London. When such individuals arrive they join what is estimated to have become the largest population of unauthorised migrants in Europe - between 800,000 and 1.2 million in 2017.[9]

"the largest population of unauthorised migrants in Europe"

Surely, they are a population of unauthorised immigrants?

why do you domin0 . germany & the rest of the EU are taking far more than us .

Whupsy

"Once upon a time there were four little Wabbits, and their names
were--

Flopsy,
Mopsy,
Cotton-tail,
and Peter.

They lived with their Mother in a sand-bank, underneath the root of a
very big fir-tree"

shows your level of intelligence 1stroke .