Manchester airport incident

It has been on Radio Manchester all morning about the policeman who has been suspended due to overuse of force while making a arrest at Manchester airport.
What are your thoughts on this.

It's just been on the telly. The officer was all worked-up and kicked the bloke in the head when he was lying on the floor. They said that they thought he might be armed?
There wasn't any need to kick him anywhere, as they they had him down.

Apparently the TV clip only shows the tail end of the incident.
Three Asian men on the news a few minutes said they were going to Rochdale police station to make a formal complaint.

And while an onlooker was filming the incident, a female police officer apparently shot at him with a water pistol !

The Reaction!

The policeman was an idiot, and deserves what he will no doubt will get for doing it, because the man was handcuffed and faced down, I mean no doubt the people they were arresting were evil scumbags, but to kick him in his head and stamp on his head in full view of the videoing public, and no doubt airport CCTV means that the policeman isn't fit to be a policeman.

Good video, Tonker.
That guy speaks a lot of truth.

They want to start protesting when the women in Pakistan are being set on fire ..while being buried up to their necks.stoned to death…atrocities towards females in India..Pakistan are atrocious..I’m not prejudiced towards any race but this instance makes me sick..the policeman has given them ammunition to vent their misplaced anger which should against their own race. but we know that will never happen.

3 police officers were assaulted, one received a broken nose....no video footage of that.

Correct, Brasstoff. Regardless of race, religion or sex, anybody who assaults a police officer in the course of their duty should receive a jail sentence.
The woman who refused to be searched should have been immediately deported.
The men who assaulted the officers should have been arrested and held on remand, then jailed for assault and malicious wounding or grievous bodily harm.

It seems like they'll probably be compensated for the trauma they were subjected to by the police.

“3 police officers were assaulted, one received a broken nose....no video footage of that”

Were those officers laying face down on the floor with their hands cuffed behind their backs at the time?

Just asking??

Aye, that's England 2024.

Stardelta, they were lucky to be "laying face down on the floor with their hands cuffed behind their backs" after what they did. In other countries they'd've been shot.

Err…. So was that a yes or a no?

Stardelta is very quickly on the side of the Muslims.

I am not on anyone’s side.

Just curious to know why a copper feels justified in kicking sh** out of someone in those circumstances and why certain people also think it justified. The fact the guy was a Muslim is of no real interest to me

Stardelta is very quickly on the side of those who refuse to co-operate with UK security officers and assault police officers inflicting grievous bodily harm to at least one officer, whether they are black, white, or caramac coloured and whether they are muslims, jews, christians, pagans or flower power people.

Looks like I spoke too soon! Or, maybe, not soon enough?

The guy was handcuffed and face down on the floor, could he have been any more compliant?

Anyway…. Was that earlier answer a yes or a no?

https://images.app.goo.gl/yvT38PrVr6zSd84P7 It's been going on for years.

I saw the video...doesn't show you the cause or need to make the arrest....Two taz ers on defendant....no kicking or stamping in the head can be justified/condoned. And that's coming from me..

No excuse for the Police Officers disgraceful action, but before people make comments, have they considered if the events that led up to the police action had something to do with the present campaign by Black and Asian minority groups who are claiming that they are being single out by the Police for strip seaching?

stardelta
The officer was wrong to lay into him on the floor but you are being silly by asking were the three officers assaulted on the floor when it has no relevence. They were assaulted it makes no matter where.

Owd Codger, reading between the lines from something Andy Burnham said, the Pakistani woman had been insulted on the plane during the flight and it carried on in the airport. When she told the men waiting for her about it, they must have taken it upon themselves to have a go at the culprits. It's escalated from that. But, they assaulted a police officer before they were arrested. That's why they were arrested.
I agree that the police officer shouldn't have kicked the man on the floor, but I do think those men should be prosecuted and one should be jailed for assault.

It'll all come out in t'wash!

“The officer was wrong to lay into him on the floor but you are being silly by asking were the three officers assaulted on the floor when it has no relevence. They were assaulted it makes no matter where”

But it has much relevance!
We’re the three officers who were assaulted all laying face down on the floor with their hands cuffed behind them at the time of the assault?

Perhaps you think this is justifiable conduct from the police? Can you explain why?

tonker

According to some reports, it was three officers the brothers assaulted with a female officer receiving a broken nose.

And from what I understand, the touble started when the two brothers objected to the Police who for some reason wanted the woman to be searched, claiming that it was against their religion.

As a result of what took place, the authorities have been placed in a difficult situation where race relations is concerned.

"As a result of what took place, the authorities have been placed in a difficult situation where race relations is concerned."

There's nothing difficult about it. The men broke the law by assaulting police officers, the policeman broke the law by assaulting the man on the floor, one offence does not negate the other. There should be some prosecutions pending!

The photo I posted Turned out to be False, so I took it off!

Is it not better to have all the facts before making judgement?

We have been handed a short visual recording and many people are viewing this incident from that one perspective. Others have some information in addition to this short visual recording and are applying a different perspective.
There is a great need to analyze all detailed facts and all visual recordings before judgement is made.
I certainly do not condone those actions the Policeman carried out, but I also do not condone a Police Officer being assaulted.

tonker

The difficulty I am on about is not about who assaulted who and who should be arrested and proscecuted.

It is the authories having to deaL with possible crowd trouble on the streets of the towns and cities with a large efhnic population where many only look at one side of any incident where the Police are involved!

irrespective of wot happened prior to this incident the cops had no right to stick the boot into anyone,s head & stamp on them . if they had been white i,m quite sure people on here would be claiming police brutality .

" many only look at one side of any incident where the Police are involved! "

That's because only one side of the story gets publicised through the media outlets.
Everybody has seen the film of the policeman kicking and stamping on the lad on the floor, but nothing else.

it still doesnt excuse them tonker .

Can't condone kicking a person in the head...no matter what.,

It’s easy to rush to judgement in cases like this, and it makes no difference what colour a person is. If they commit an offence, then they should expect the full force of the law to come down on them; but nobody expects the full force of a Police Officer’s boot to come down on their head. That’s GBH and, if the man sustained brain damage and died as a result, that would be murder; but it would be called manslaughter, as the excuse would be that the Officer was performing an arrest in the line of duty but, by a preponderance of the evidence so far is that the man was on the floor, face down and handcuffed, so was no longer a threat to anyone, and unnecessary force was used against him.

Both should be punished, the Officer more severely as it could be construed that he was racially biased and discriminated against him because of his colour. Would he have done the same to a white British male? Probably, yes because of his violent temper, but there’s no proof of that. We do not need Police Officers like that in this country and he should have been made to resign immediately, not put on suspension for the IOPC to chew over this gross misconduct. That just gives him time to concoct a defence. I don’t care if he “lost it” or whatever other excuse he’s given. If a Police Officer has the propensity to inflict violence, he/she must not be tolerated under any circumstances, regardless of stress, anger or bias. A Police Officer should treat everyone the same way, whatever their race or colour. He has sworn to uphold the law, not cause criminal damage to another human being. Someone who has such a short temper has done this before, or will do it again, only this time he was caught. Thank goodness he wasn’t armed with a handgun.

Think this way ...... if that lad had a machete, or a knife, and was attacking people, I'd expect the police officer to kick him in the head and stamp on him until he was incapacitated. But he was handcuffed and lying face down on the floor, harmless. He was a prisoner of the officers. But ....... he was a prisoner of the officers for a reason, and this is what's being overlooked. They didn't arrest him for nothing.

PS: Mollie, I thought they were firearms officers? That means they had handguns?

It was a message to the offenders, " we are in charge here and tell your buddies, softly softly has gone out of the window" only the wokes and Sledge can help you and, we've had enough

I have a question, because I have viewed the visual recording a number of times and... well!
Was the man handcuffed?

Mollie, I've been through Manchester Airport a lot of times and the Police patrolling the airport are armed.

IanP, it appears he wasn't. But, handcuffed or not, he looked harmless.

On viewing the visual recording, I believed that the man was not handcuffed. Therefore, incorrect information was put forward and the question is, why and where from?
Also, the man raises his head. Why?
Did the man say anything?
Please understand that I am only putting forward a series of questions which need addressing.
I stated earlier that I do not condone those actions which the Police Officer carried out.

Tonker ,if the man on the floor complied with what he was asked, then, he was harmless, refusing to comply means,,,he has something to hide and up to no good, that copper is a professional specially trained officer and the ' man on the spot ' , I'd give him the benefit everytime,

still doesnt excuse them tonker no matter how many excuses there is .

The Police Officer is being prosecuted and rightly so, but surely as tonker is saying, the two brothers who started the trouble by assaulting Police Officers, injuring two male officers and breaking the nose of a female officer should also be prosecuted.

But will they, that is the question?

These Asians want to live in OUR country but don't want to abide with OUR laws. So, they are telling us "you can't search my wife or girl friend because we are Asians and don't believe that a stranger should be doing that" .

Which begs the question, why don't you all all F.O. and live somewhere else.

Any Asians been changed for attacking the police yet???? No thought not.

stardelta

Didn't you understand the first line of my comment?

And do you think assaulting police officers is OK?

" ...... this is what's being overlooked. They didn't arrest him for nothing."

What happened earlier .......

Well found tonker

With that evidence, it should be cut and dried. The lad in blue shirt and shorts, who was kicked in the head, should go directly to jail - do not pass the mosque - do not collect £200 !

I agree, Tonker.
And also on that footage he did not looked handcuffed to me?

I've just been reading the posts since I submitted my own thoughts, and obviously there are conflicting reasons/excuses as to what the Police Officer did.

As Tom said, British Police are trained to the highest standard so, no matter what the provocation, that Officer should not have reacted the way he did.

This incident brought back a memory for me from long ago, which I'll post now, so you'll know why I feel so strongly about this case.

When I lived in Berlin I worked for the SIB MP (Special Investigation Branch of the Military Police) and one morning when I went into work the place was buzzing as a murder had occurred. The culprits were two sons of soldiers, and the victim was a German citizen.

The night before they were making a din in a nice quiet suburb of the city and a man called to them to be quiet, but they gave him lip so, foolishly, the older man went outside to challenge them and got into a fight. The two boys weren’t particularly big and the man was a large chap but they overpowered him, kicking him in the torso – and the head - so both Military Police and German Police had to be involved, and both boys were caught and arrested within 24 hours of the crime.

The post mortem showed that, had they called an ambulance, the man would probably have survived, but they left him face down and he inhaled the sand in the playground where he was found.

The very graphic colour photos of the PM were given to me to collate (which wasn’t the best job I’d ever had to do as the poor soul had been opened up on a slab) so it wasn’t a pretty sight. The bruises on his brain were very clear to see and, instead of being charged with manslaughter, they were charged with murder and, as they were both 18 and 19, they were sent to trial by Court Martial and were convicted of murder. I was at the trial, and I can’t remember for how long they were sent to jail, but it was for a long time, and I think their fathers (high ranking SNCOs) were heavily fined and dismissed from the Army.

In my opinion that policeman should not be punished, in fact, he should be promoted. He was doing his duty after being on the receiving end of a flurry of punches and also witnessing his fellow officers ( including a female ) being violently assaulted. You can't let scum like that violently attack our policemen and policewomen and expect them to get away without a finger being laid on them, surely?

really so if you saw this happening in the street you,d think it,s ok do you . police are bound by a certain code & wether you like it or not they must abide by that code of conduct .

The Policeman was wrong, he is trained not to react in that way, they have to be above that sort of thing. I understand from watching that video why he did it, but he should not have, end of.

I agree. A judge would say that he had a taser attached to the lad and, as such, he had sufficient control of him. There was no need to kick him in the head, although he didn't kick him hard, he should've just kept shocking him, that'd keep him under control!
That said, before the police officer kicked him in the head, he had resisted arrest and assaulted three police officers and inflicted bodily harm to at least one of them. He should get five years.

Justice for the policeman or no peace !

There are mitigating circumstances, but he is answerable for his actions as are the young men who attacked the police officers.

that,s why there,s so much trouble with the police at present .

Whups

When you go abroad to another country, you abide by the laws, rules, regulations etc of that country and as the saying goes, "do as the romans do"

Unfortunally, we have a certain element of people in our country whose origins are from abroad, who simply do not want to abide by the laws, rules and regulations etc of our country.

A example of which started the incident at Manchester Airport.

The video clip showing the police man kicking the Asian was edited to make look like the cop had kicked him for no reason.
We'll probably never find out who did the editing, but was it the camera man or was it the T.V. company.
Welcome to England 2024.

Posted by: Brasstoff (528)
The video clip showing the police man kicking the Asian was edited to make look like the cop had kicked him for no reason.
We'll probably never find out who did the editing, but was it the camera man or was it the T.V. company.
Welcome to England 2024.

Replied: 28th Jul 2024 at 11:29

How do you know it was

Yes, it could have been 2 different camera's and the clip we all saw only started videoing when the Asian was lying on the ground.
So, no editing at all.
If this bunch of people want to live in OUR country, abide by our laws.

The main ambition of large majority of Muslims living here is to change our country into a Muslim country with Sharia laws. It's widely published and there are hundreds of videos where they are openly saying, well DEMANDING this change... WHY are they coming here, supposedly seeking ASYLUM from a repressive regime. And their main objective is to make our country like the one they have come from???

News Flash...... Muslim immigrants advocating for Sharia law in the United Kingdom have become increasingly visible in various public spaces. They set up stands in busy areas, such as city centers, parks, and near religious institutions, to distribute brochures and engage with passersby. These brochures often outline the principles of Sharia law and argue for its implementation in the UK, highlighting what they believe are its benefits for society.

The individuals manning these stands may also engage in discussions with those who stop to take a brochure, explaining their perspective on how Sharia law could coexist with or replace the current legal system. This activity has sparked significant debate and controversy. Supporters argue that advocating for Sharia law is a form of free speech and an expression of religious beliefs, while critics contend that it could undermine the existing legal framework and social cohesion.

A CONTROVERSIAL Muslim cleric plans to buy a remote Scots island and turn it into his own 'Islamic State'. Reports yesterday claimed Sheikh Yasser al-Habib, 45 and his followers called the Mahdi [Messiah] Servants Union are in advanced talks to buy the isle of Torsa, in Argyll for £3million.1 hour ago.

yes i do todger coz i,m a law abiding citizen , ARE YOU .

Mollie WOW what an interesting life I would love to sit down with you and learn more..

An Islamic hate preacher said to have his own 'army' has launched an audacious bid to buy a Scottish island and turn it into his own state based on Sharia law.
Sheikh Yasser al-Habib has raised £3 million to purchase the isle of Torsa, located off the west coast of Scotland.
The 45-year-old claimed asylum in the UK 20 years ago and now runs military-style training camps for an 'army' group called Al-Shurta Al-Khamis.

Claire Pearsall urges people to wait for more evidence before taking sides in serious incidents, like the Manchester airport video.

LINK

Whups

So am I, so digest what I said about who are the ones who are not!

Posted by: admin (1746)
Mollie WOW what an interesting life I would love to sit down with you and learn more..

I suppose I have, Admin but, at the time, I just took it for granted as it was part of my job. I can tell of this now as more than 25 years have passed since swearing to the Official Secrets Act, but I feel very strongly about what the Police Officer did. An Officer of the Law is meant to be someone you can trust and, in my very humble opinion, he should never be allowed to walk the streets again wearing the uniform.

The photos I saw of that poor German's body and brain was sickening and I can still see them to this day, and an example of pure thuggery and uncontrollable violence, as is this case at the airport.

P.S: I am shocked to read that some folk on here believe that the Officer was in the right for what he did. Perhaps in their eyes he deserves a medal?

Mollie, I'm with you in so much as he shouldn't really have done it but, let's face it, he didn't kick or stamp on him really hard. If he had he'd've killed him.
Compare that kick and stamp with what the lad did to the policewoman. He had no damage done to him, he was unmarked. That's why I said "he didn't kick him hard". On the other hand, she could be marked for life.
Watching the video where the officers try to arrest him, I can see the lad is used to throwing punches. If the police officers were un-armed (beat bobbies) they'd've got a real good beating. That's what needs addressing. What's the point in having police officers who can't defend themselves when they need to? They were crap!
I know I always bring it up but, if they had attacked the Mosos at Barcelona Airport in that way they'd've been brought out in a black van, in body bags. And that's why they get very little trouble, of that type, over there.
I'm sure I posted the video of those three Asians in Cambrils a few years ago, who attacked civilians and Mossos. They were instantly shot. All three. Gone!

PS: you said, "An Officer of the Law is meant to be someone you can trust "?
Well, criminals can't trust them, but if you are a law-abiding person with nothing to hide and you treat them with respect they can be trusted to look after your interests. That's their job.

Tonker, I perfectly understand what you're saying, but there is just one thing I would take you to task on. You said that "he didn't kick him hard." I agree, the kick wasn't hard, and it was more aimed at his face; but the stamp on the head was something different. What would a booted foot weigh, coupled with the amount of force brought down on a skull? For all we know that attack could have as yet unknown consequences - a ruptured blood cell, or some other trauma which has not yet manifested itself. I know, what if, what if, but the point is the attack was aimed at the skull which is the most vulnerable part of any human anatomy, and fragile.

There was no need to stamp on his head as he had already been TASERd with 50,000 volts and down. He'd ceased to resist arrest so it's almost as if the Officer was saying (to himself) "that'll teach you, you ....." whatever. His colleague had been injured with a broken nose, but she wouldn't have been there had she not been considered to be up to the job.

He was in a state of high agitation and the violent streak didn't come from nowhere; it was already in his make-up. Those people caused the affray first, and quite rightly should have been arrested, but what followed was most certainly out of line.

Yes, if they'd been in Spain they would have been shot, or if it had been America, and even Germany they wouldn't still be breathing, but we consider the Police of our country to be a little more enlightened than other gun-toting cops.

The Policewoman who was injured must have been considered fit for the job otherwise she wouldn't have been assigned at this location.

As you said, "it'll all come out in't wash."

Tonker

I thought those Asian lads were a bit handy with their fists, so it will probably come out next that they are member's of a boxing club.

Posted by: mollie m
"The Policewoman who was injured must have been considered fit for the job otherwise she wouldn't have been assigned at this location."

What a silly, inconsiderate stupid comment, .
She was probably up for the job but I don't think she was expecting to receive two black eyes, a broken nose and facial injuries from a vicious assault by a male thug whilst at work. Would you?

Chesh., she wouldn't if she was working on the Clinique counter at Kendals!

The Job Centre once sent me for a job on the perfume counter at Boots in Bolton

Was it a Boss's Job?

Tonker.
Shopworkers / owners have also been assaulted whilst doing their job.
It does not mean that they are "not fit for their job" as molliem claimed.

tailor maid for the job 1stroke .

Cheshire Cat! Where did I say she wasn’t fit for the job? I said, “she MUST HAVE been considered fit for the job, otherwise she wouldn’t have been assigned at that location,” so don’t take my words out of context; and don’t call me stupid. The man on the floor didn’t expect to be booted in the head either once he was under control.

I wouldn’t expect to be assaulted at work, you’re right, but I’m not a Police Officer who was trained to the same standards as the men. I have the greatest respect for the Police as they have a tough job to do, and she was doing her job and got hurt in the process, but she knew that she may face danger as part of her job at some point, as do all Police Officers. Are you saying that she wasn’t, just because she’s a woman? I’m sorry she was hurt, but the outcome may have been much worse if those guys had been carrying knives or guns.

Someone I know is a Police Officer and he told me that most of the trouble he and his colleagues deal with these days is by people of a ethnic origin and from eastern europe!

Well someone I knows a police officer and he says most of the trouble he and his colleagues have to deal with us drug related and is home grown

well said handsome . todger twisting it as usual .

Some sensible comments here....see what comes out in the wash....I can speak from experience that when the red mist descends...self control is very very difficult...not many of you would have experienced it. Let's hope the authorities deal with it properly and fairly and disclose the full story and film of events.

Molliem.
I didn't call you stupid, I said your comment was stupid. So, please don't twist my words.

You also typed "Police Officer who was trained to the same standards as the men."
Does that mean the female officer should now be capable of taking on a physically stronger male in a confrontation like that?! I don't think so!

You never see a professional boxing/ wrestling or any other physical contact sport with a male versus female.

Why don't you show some empathy for the poor female police officer who got a battering, instead of the scumbag offender who attacked her

Ladies Please !!!!

It's time to put the claws away.



Meow.

Shut up, Tommy Go and be proactive whilst its a nice day, and a clear sky. See if you can find any aliens loitering around Ashurst Beacon, or Rivington

Lots of aliens quite close to Ashurst Beacon, some people call them Plastic Scousers though.

It's emerged that the lad kicked in the head by the police officer is a woman beater and a prominent drug dealer.

Do you STILL feel sorry for him?

He was a woman beater in that clip that you posted, Tonker.
So he kept his (alleged) reputation in tact
Ive no doubt some people on here will try to defend his actions against the poor policewoman, and then vent their anger against the male police officer who glanced the the culprits head with his foot .

Handsomeminer

Of course, you will know a Police Office who deals with drug related crime carried out by home grown people, but you are no doubt talking about in Wigan whereas the Police Officer I know is working in central Manchester which is far worse for drug related offences, most of which are carried out by Afro Carribean and Asian people.

Whups

And you are the last person to talk about twisting things when you have kept saying that I trained young lads at football to a professional standard when you know very well that I only said that that I coached lads in youth teams, some of whom went on to play at a professional level or standard.

If you two worked down pit, I have come the conclusion that the pair of you are as thick as props and I don't mean the rugby kind!

Wrong again OC

were not like you being a liar are we . you cant back up virtually anything you say & dont reply to questions your asked . we are still waiting for your so-called training a pro . ask anyone on the sports blog & they,ll say the same as me . and were no scaremonger like you either as no matter how many immigrants come into this country most of who are legal it will not change your way of life 1 iota will it .

Whups

Neither do you as I am still waiting for you to answer the question about if you urgently need medical treatment and the only appointment offered was at a private clinic, would you refuse it.

And as for the football, I have answered you on more than one occasion but it does not seem to sink into you.

yes i would . now answer yours .