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Photo-a-Day  (Thursday, 23rd January, 2025)

Southgate


Southgate
Wigan.

Photo: Mick Byrne  (.)
Views: 1,273

Comment by: Helen of Troy on 23rd January 2025 at 07:32

What a difference a day makes !
From the Beauty to the Beast.

Comment by: WN6 on 23rd January 2025 at 08:14

It’s a bridge over a road, am I missing something????

Comment by: PeterP on 23rd January 2025 at 08:45

WN6 this is "Adams" bridge which was built in 1946 and is grade 2 listed has one of the 1st pre-tensioned bridges in England. Means nothing to me but some engineers will love it. To me it is just a ugly piece of concrete

Comment by: Maureen on 23rd January 2025 at 08:46

WN6..Exactly.

Comment by: Big Harold on 23rd January 2025 at 08:53

Yes Helen, What a difference a day makes, and another Yes WN6 you are missing something.
Now, since the Wigan council built us the Southgate section of the road, we Wiganers can ride or walk underneath this historical viaduct as we go, and the ASDA or further afield.
The history
This bridge was constructed as a test case, to see if prestressed concrete construction was feasible for rail projects in the UK, by the LMS railway company, and designed by their chief civil engineer William Kelly Wallace.[4][5] The beams used were prestressed using the Freyssinet system, in which concrete (maybe delivered by Westhoughton John) is precast with stressed high-tensile-strength metal tendons, which consist of multiple steel wires, running down the length of them. In construction, the beams internal rods are tightened and tied together so, under live load, they act as one. The LMS developed this system in the 1930s, and prestressed beams were first used for emergency repairs during World War II, but the Adam Viaduct first to use them for a full-scale project.[1] The benefits of the system were found to be that it was quicker to install, more economical and longer-lasting, and with the bridge being less lively than traditional designs.

The bridge has six I-beams for each track and two beams for each parapet, and they are 2 feet 8 inches (0.81 m) deep.[5] It was erected in 1946 on the foundations of an earlier Victorian bridge, created as part of the Liverpool & Bury Railway in 1847, which was made from timber with masonry abutments.[4] The earlier bridge was strengthened three times in: 1869, 1888

Comment by: wigman31 on 23rd January 2025 at 08:54

WN6 yes
bridge is the earliest type of post tensioned construction in the UK ,there only a few earlier ones in the world , I guess that it why it is a listed building

Comment by: Arthur on 23rd January 2025 at 09:02

Thanks Mick, Wigan Council have made full use of this already made Adam bridge. Network rail should paint it and would look much nicer.

Comment by: Julie on 23rd January 2025 at 09:14

Could this be more boring ?????!

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd January 2025 at 09:21

I think it’s the railway bridge over the end of Pottery Road near the Saddle Roundabout at ASDA.
The most confusing junction to navigate since Spaghetti Junction.

Comment by: Poet on 23rd January 2025 at 09:22

Not exactly John Sydney Crossley is it ! Modern 'architects' must have suffered psychological damage during the war . It's the only explanation for the soul destroying , mind numbing ugliness they put up in the 60's .

Comment by: good old days on 23rd January 2025 at 09:24

what a road best think wigan council ever did coming off chapel lane down past turners garage use to take 40 minutes at rush hour unlike the white elephant they built on scotsmans flash

Comment by: Scholes Malc on 23rd January 2025 at 10:00

Not 'just' a bridge over a road........Its the Adam Viaduct which is a grade II listed - The bridge, constructed in 1946, is the earliest 'post-tensioned' prestressed concrete railway bridge in the United Kingdom!!

Comment by: Minnie Driver on 23rd January 2025 at 10:27

It would help when putting up a picture if you said what, where or why.
Anyone who doesn’t know that area wouldn’t give two hoots, unless you where driving a car and on the wrong lane.

Comment by: Aubrey on 23rd January 2025 at 10:29

I never cease to appreciate how much Southgate has improved traffic flow, compared to Pottery Road, as it was.

Comment by: Dave johnson on 23rd January 2025 at 10:53

Are there any photos of the old bridge?

Comment by: WN6 on 23rd January 2025 at 11:14

Now Big Harold that’s more like it. Very interesting indeed but why didn’t Mysterious Mick say that in the first place.
My knowledge on the matter now knows no bounds.

Comment by: DTease on 23rd January 2025 at 11:18

I bet Google is red hot this morning.

Comment by: Tom on 23rd January 2025 at 11:18

Helen your man wearing the the White Cockade would have passed this way.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd January 2025 at 11:22

Scholes Malc, all this information is very educational which I was unaware of.
Having said that, I think it’s left me post-tensioned and prestressed!! :-)

Comment by: Veronica on 23rd January 2025 at 11:26

I hate anything concrete but it serves its purpose in this instant. There must have been a shortage of money in 1946. Then again all bridges are built the same I suppose. No thought for blending in the landscape….it is as it is. They just become grottier and grottier.

Comment by: Dek on 23rd January 2025 at 12:00

Can anybody explain why it's called Southgate?

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd January 2025 at 12:28

Dek, I have never heard that term before, that are before the road came through was always the Saddle Junction.
Speculating, it could be that it was at the southern end of Wallgate, making it the Gateway to Wigan as far back as Roman Times. Or more likely something far more mundane like the name of a garage!

Comment by: Maureen on 23rd January 2025 at 13:59

Dex, I was just about to ask that same question but I was too slow, I was brought up on Wallgate and we had no Southgates then.

Comment by: Maureen on 23rd January 2025 at 14:20

Whereabouts in Wallgate are you from.

Comment by: Veronica on 23rd January 2025 at 15:56

Is it because the road is pointing southwards out of the town centre? The same way Standishgate points northwards from the centre of the town and Millgate is west ward from the town centre. Hallgate is eastwards from the centre ?Just a thought…I’m only guessing.

Comment by: T. D. on 23rd January 2025 at 17:30

Interesting history and good to see the concrete has not been spoiled by graffiti artists.

Comment by: Veronica on 23rd January 2025 at 19:22

Got my East and West mixed up…ooops!

Comment by: Ticsmon on 23rd January 2025 at 19:32

Good Old Days

It was a good idea and shortened the time to get to the Saddle Junction. However, the footway on Ormskirk Road was widened to enable a shared cycle and footpath. This narrowed the carriageways stopping traffic flow when stuck behind e.g. stopped buses. The shared footpath is mostly used for parking, even though it's on double yellow lines.

Comment by: wigman31 on 23rd January 2025 at 20:48

Ticsmon
you could have pointed out that other than in London i tnot illegal to park on a footpath but it is an offence to park on a combined footpath/cycle track with a max fine of £1000 neither WMBC or the police enforce it probably for the very reason mentioned

Comment by: Barrie on 23rd January 2025 at 21:13

What a difference between 2007/8 and now. Compare this photo to those in Album/Work/ Wigan Flood Alleviation Phase 1&2. Photo's
#31605,#31810 and #31672. taken by me when I was visiting the site as H&S adviser. Does the Douglas still flood around here?

Comment by: Dek on 23rd January 2025 at 21:55

The reason why I asked if anybody could explain why it's called Southgate is because it heads west from Wigan and emerges north-west onto Wallgate. It isn't even on the southernmost edge of Wigan. Perhaps the Roman road, which the A49 followed, might have entered Wigan there? It could be that the river now called the Douglas, was much wider in Roman times and that might have been the only crossing point or, which seems the best of wild guesses, somebody in the council might have had a brainwave and called it that for no apparent reason?

Comment by: Ticsmon on 23rd January 2025 at 22:17

It is an offence to park on the pavement/verge by the side of yellow lines. Most Highways are roads or streets - footpaths, verges and public spaces can also be classified as Public Highway.

Comment by: Robert on 24th January 2025 at 07:40

It's like wacky races driving down this road, drivers keep changing lanes to try and get in front of each other, dangerous practice, it annoys other drivers who stay in lanes.

Comment by: PeterP on 24th January 2025 at 08:08

Now there are 8 gates of Wigan
Hall
Wall
Bishops
Church
Mill
Stair
Standish
And now South

Comment by: Big Harold on 24th January 2025 at 11:25

Bryn Gates Airfield
Wigan, England, UNITED KINGDOM

Comment by: Alan on 24th January 2025 at 11:40

Don't forget 'Our Gate' at the front garden.

Comment by: Al on 24th January 2025 at 11:46

Bryn Gate , Lang Gate.

Comment by: PeterP on 24th January 2025 at 15:35

Alan don't forget also window view

Comment by: John Noakes on 24th January 2025 at 23:47

Al, you mean Land Gate?

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