Photo-a-Day  (Monday, 16th September, 2024)

Senecar Lane is listed on Wigan Councils public right of way map with the numbers 007/11/10 on it. What was the planning notice for?

Planning seems to be for 3 detached houses. From a look on the council planning site these aren't wanted by the locals. Only to be expected I suppose. Not much countryside left to be built on in many other areas of Wigan.

well r friends from over the channel have to live some were according to lisa nandy

Unfortunately a Public Right of way is for pedestrians only I believe. So long as they preserve the PRW it shouldn't affect their building. However, as a Parish Councilor I have encountered many builders who will try it on.

It looks like in another 50 years there will hardly be any fields left. Towns will be running into each other.

Too right Dennis, green farmland one minute then the next it's covered over with an estate of houses. Look at what's happened at Standish - and they'll be after the land around here next.
Back in 1970 Joni Mitchell was singing that they were even building on paradise.
https://youtu.be/ratQlft_G5c?si=fdkPgauTHtQ6bcYr

Dennis surely I’ve been down that lane but struggling to find it on google maps,we’ve been to one of your favourite places today up to Rivington Pike.

John, I'm not surprised you're struggling to find it on google maps, if you're looking for "Senacre Lane". That's because it's not called Senacre Lane, it's Sennicar Lane and it's off School Lane, Haigh end, or Wingates Road, Wigan end.

Signs have only gone up because motorists were using the farm track lane as a rat run when Red Rock Canal Bridge was closed for maintenance

Cheers George I have been down that lane heading for Wigan Lane but only when children are off school as Haigh Hall is very popular in decent weather,it gets full of potholes closer to Wigan though.George you wouldn’t happen to know Joe Bains,George Dainty,Jimmy Walton,Jacky Webster or Keith (Hairun)?there lad’s I’ve worked with but lost contact (Hindley/Ince district)

Good old days is spot on. We have to house the refugees somewhere. Many are from the countries we have bombed and made unstable so these are problems of our own making. If given half a chance they will contribute to society just as those before them have done.

Signs have only gone up because motorists were using the farm track lane as a rat run when Red Rock Canal Bridge was closed for maintenance

I believe Senacre Lane is short for ‘ Seven Acre‘
Lane.

Land (41.15 acres) to the West of Sennicar Lane is or has been up for sale by private treaty: https://www.pwcsurveyors.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Land-at-Sennicar-Lane.docx.pdf

No worries Dennis and John because it isn't the first time that Sennicar has been spelled Senacre, as here at Butterfly Hall Haigh in 2011
https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/photo.php?opt=5&id=18338&gallery=Haigh&offset=20

We all know where you meant, and just enjoyed the scenery on your great photo.

Veronica, it's Sennicar Lane. As already so rightedly pointed out by George, from somewhere in Hindley.

That’s how I know it Veronica, but it is known in many different ways. ‘Seven Acre’ seems the most logical.

Every map, from 1840 to date, has it as Sennicar Lane. The Lancaster Canal and Leeds Liverpool Canal both have Bridge 61 listed as Sennicar Bridge.
I imagine there are one or two owd 'uns who know it as t'back road. It would seem logical to them, as it does go round t'back of somewhere or other.
But you can't beat getting it right.

In the mists of time before the maps it would or could have been known as Seven Acres Lane then shortened to Sennicar Lane by the folk who lived around there. In other words it may have been the original name. Language evolves down the generations.

Just to make it a bit more plain …Sennicar Lane derives from Seven Acre Lane in old Wigan dialect. It seems obvious to me.

I do agree Veronica, with you saying that seven acres and the way that locals talked would have become se'en or sen acres over time, then obviously become Senacre then later written as Sennicar by cartographers. It couldn't possibly be more obvious.

Here's a link to a local dialect pit tale Dialect For Wigginers. A Colliers Day, written by Fred Foster. You may have seen it before, but I find that it's good to read again.
https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/communicate/mb_message.php?opt=f1&opt2=&msd=946089&offset=2760&subject=Dialect%2520for%2520Wigginers

and a sort of Lancashire Dictionary.
https://www.troubleatmill.com/speak.htm

It relates to the history of the Haigh Hall estate, which was first occupied by the Normans. The Normans are of Germanic / Scandinavian origin.
"Senn", to the Normans, meant "Dairy Farmer, or Herder".
"Car" referred to a 'cart', 'carriage', or any horse-drawn wheeled vehicle.
Sennicar would be a dairy farmers cart.
Sennicar Lane would be a track across a field on which dairy farmers drove their cart?
That said, the word "Acre" meant 'open field' in old English. It follows that Sennicar could also have meant "A dairy farmers field"?