Photo-a-Day  (Saturday, 9th November, 2024)

Whether you call them setts/cobbles/what-you-will, it's nice to see that road surface. I remember my friends and I bumping over setts on a home-made trolley that my brother made for me, in the sloping side-streets of Ince as a child.

I have commented on previous posts that my parent had the Black Bull in the late 1930’s early 40’s until my Dad was called up into the Army. My eldest brother was born in there.
Strange that I only ever went in there once and that was after my other brother’s funeral in 2003.
I think I am right in saying the Ron Hunts parents also ran the Black Bull.

That cobbled street must be about 150 years old and not one pot hole.

It was always such a very busy community now it always seems soulless and nobody about.. We used to ramble around a lot as kids. The ‘brow’ seemed a lot steeper at the time great for roller skating down. Quite a few steep hills in Scholes. I remember once in the sixties before the new property was built and standing in Scholefield Lane looking down Belvoir St when all the old property had gone and being struck with the view and seeing the Parish Church in the distance. No wonder the street was named
‘Belvoir’.

It makes me think that if more streets and roads still had cobblestones and not tarmac there would probably be no need for speed bumps or cameras.

I agree with you Colin.
Mind you the cobbles are still under the old roads with layers of tarmac on top. Sometimes you see them underneath the worn tarmac.

Veronica, I remember when we lived in Harrogate Street in the 1950’s the road was cobbled and traffics was slow and reasonable. The around 1957 they laid tarmac over the top following which traffic speeds increased. It wasn’t long after when a local deaf and dumb man was knocked down and killed.

Veronica, apparently the pronunciation of Beever or Belvwoir whichever being correct, has been going on since 1066 according to the Lincolnite.

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2022/10/duchess-of-rutland-settles-bee-va-vs-bel-vwar-debate-and-talks-belvoir-castle/

I always did pronounce it as Belvwoir and was corrected, and then surprisingly the few times I did say Beever Street or Beever Court as an address or directions, I was met with a what you on about stare.

Most people said Belvoir like ‘ Belvoyer’ Cyril but that was Scowsers!
It stands to sense Colin that the cobbles made you drive a bit slower. I found that myself at times when I used to drive.

I looked it up Cyril. I Knew then when I saw the stunning view from Scholefield Lane how it must have been hundreds of years ago to stand and stare and see the Parish Church in the distance with no obstacles or buildings in front. It was stunning at the time I never forgot the scene. A pity I hadn’t a camera with me.

Irene. I thought I had posted a comment earlier so apologies if this is repetitive.
I know this street - we called it Bull Brew by the way as I grew up just round the corner and my parents were still there until they died in the 2000s. my main comment was that like you I had a home made trolley - using pram wheels etc. However it had to live permanently, and only used, at my Grandparents house in Aspull as my Mum and Dad were terrified that we might go down streets like this and straight into the traffic on Darlington Street East. There was a great craze for these trollies in the 50's and early 60s but it completely died out.

Colin. My Dad - genuinely not a great drinker - would very occasionally visit the Black Bull, but never ever went to the equally near Vulcan on Hardybutts. Perhaps it was a Catholic/Non Catholic thing as the Vulcan was very close to St Pats. I cant imagine it was a sectarian thing as nearly all our neighbours were staunch Catholics and we got on like a house on fire with them and we were always in each others houses.

I think people in The Vale of Belvoir pronounce it as Beaver.

There is a lot of snobbery about how surnames are pronounced. I am aware of Belvoir being "Beever" but I always pronounce it "Belv-war" and my lovely Dad pronounced it "Bel-voyer Street"! Cholmondley is pronounced Chumley and Featherstonehaugh is "Fanshaw" apparently! I used to work with a lady whose surname was "Strachan" and when a customer asked her name she pronounced it like that, and the customer had the cheek to ask her if she knew it should be pronounced "Strawn".....Well! We were told "the customer is always right" where I worked but I'm afraid my colleague lost her rag and I don't blame her!

Always a rough area this. Looks like nothing has changed over the decades.

Wasn’t like this ,
I promise you more !
for those who come later ,
don’t write this score .
Within this place
a thread was made ,
entwined with each
a music played ,
Maybe not ,
what you now hear ,
beg look closer
and your truth
will appear ..

I once suggested that for the area in Standish from the Black Bull to the front of the car park beside the Lychgate in Market Place. It would slow traffic down, they absolutely fly through there at times. Maybe next time it wants resurfacing, take the tarmac up and clean the setts up and leave it as is.

You are right Carolaen people did mix very well Catholic or Non Catholic. Both the Vulcan and the Black Bull were frequented by both. I know my relatives went in the Bull. I would rather have the Scholes of the past than the present like many others. It’s a lost world to me.

I would have said Stracken too Irene, as how Michaela Strachan says it, there are some right tetchy folk though, I met one once when asking directions for Simonstone, and I said Simon-stone, the man glared at me and said "It's 'Simmunston' I'll have you know."
Ulnes Walton is another strange one to pronounce the way as locals say it.

Scholes of the present day may be beset by some problems,mainly drug use it seems? However,the Scholes of the 40's,50' and 60 's was a close-knit,friendly place to be.

Didn't they always say that the Bobbys had to patrol in two in the close-knit community of Scholes

They walked in twos everywhere at one time. It’s a pity they don’t even come out at all nowadays.
Ps I forgot to mention whilst talking about Belvoir St it was the birthplace of the VC Thomas Woodcock. Scholes born and bred and a St Pat’s lad.