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Photo-a-Day  (Friday, 29th March, 2024)

Ornate Oak Porch 1893

Ornate Oak Porch 1893
The entrance porch to the former Tudor House Hotel, New Market Street, is embossed with the date and a cross signifying that this was originally built for The Sisters of All Saints Parish Church and opened that year by The Bishop of Lincoln.
In need of some TLC the hotel and bar closed in 2014.

Photo: Colin Traynor  (iPhone)
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Comment by: Gordon Ion on 29th March 2024 at 03:24

One of its landlords was Vince Hanley,younger brother of Ted Hanley,one of whose businesses was Cassinellis with wife Rita

Comment by: Linma on 29th March 2024 at 06:31

Such a shame to see it in that state.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 29th March 2024 at 07:48

I love those tiny individual panes of glass. The doors on my old corner cupboard door are like that....individual diamond panes rather than larger panes with lead "drawn" over the top which was how they were made later. My son used to run the quiz in The Tudor when he was around 20. He was always ringing me up to ask about sixties music!

Comment by: Mavis on 29th March 2024 at 07:55

Another boring photo. We need to see the lovely parts of Wigan.
Bolton and St Helens people must be laughing at this. More and more we are seeing the ugly parts of Wigan and District over the past few weeks.

Comment by: Arthur on 29th March 2024 at 07:58

Some historical information there, but not my interest.

Comment by: Elizabeth on 29th March 2024 at 09:28

I used to enjoy going in the Tudor on a Wednesday night after attending a course at Wigan College,about 1990-91,it had lovely old features.Learned later on about its history and connection to All Saints Church.x

Comment by: Alan on 29th March 2024 at 09:36

I must agree, we are seeing more and more of the darkest side if Wigan.
Wigan has a lot more to offer.
Just my Opinion that's all.

Comment by: Veronica on 29th March 2024 at 09:52

It does have a creepy look about it. Does anyone know when it became a hotel?
There used to be an order of Anglican Sisters that very often collected for the poor in the old Market Hall very near the entrance.
I also remember the Hanley family one of the sisters had a corner shop in Belvoir St/Higham St Scholes. Previously the shop was in Wellington St.

Comment by: Dick Dastardly on 29th March 2024 at 10:05

Odd how the sniping comments are made by people we've never heard of before.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 29th March 2024 at 10:34

My thoughts exactly Dick.

Comment by: Garry on 29th March 2024 at 10:45

Dick Dastardly you have made some rude remarks and comments in the past.
This is interesting indeed, in need of repair and looks to have been well made. I like the red Accrington bricks. You are right Colin it needs some TLC but not a great deal of work in my opinion.
Just looks tatty. Some builder could transform that property.

Comment by: Veronica on 29th March 2024 at 10:56

That’s usually the case DD. I understand where Alan is coming from but Bolton is no better. I can’t say for St Helen’s. I think it’s more a ‘crying shame’ than a laughing matter.

Comment by: Dave on 29th March 2024 at 10:57

I think this would look lovely restored . Colin, has it got a nice old lantern inside behind the windows? Timber looks sound for sanding down and painting , just the roof would probably need redoing . I can't see a problem at all restoring this but will it be? That's the question with many similar buildings posted on WW . I just think they leave it until a developer turns up and that's why many are just left standing and left to decay . Thanks for posting Colin

Comment by: WN1 Standisher on 29th March 2024 at 11:22

Good photo Colin, and keep taking 'em. These are glimpses of parts of Wigan you don't usually see as you walk/drive by. To the critics, you know how to take a picture, the stage is yours............

Comment by: Sandra on 29th March 2024 at 11:31

Lighten up most of its just banter.
Sometimes the banter is more interesting that the photos.
Happy Easter.

Comment by: Wiganer on 29th March 2024 at 12:13

Lay off the sherry GARRY.
I wish I had it, make a lovely home if you like DIY.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 29th March 2024 at 12:20

I believe that inside there was once a private chapel, that for me would have been interesting to see. I wonder if there are any vestiges of this remaining.
With the new bus station close by and blocks of flats and a Hilton Hotel planned around the corner I hope someone can see that it’s an investment opportunity for the future has a bar and restaurant.

Comment by: Crystal clear on 29th March 2024 at 12:47

Mavis has been on WW before, check the history DD.
I like this photo very much, it has characteristics in the design.
I'm a Wiganer and I've never seen the property before.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 29th March 2024 at 12:48

Veronica, I think those Nuns in the market hall were Little Sisters of the Poor. They might have been Catholic I’m not sure but they never really spoke or begged, just stood there with a smile in quiet dignity.

Comment by: WN1 Standisher on 29th March 2024 at 12:57

Agreed Colin, use it don't lose it. The Grand Hotel also

Comment by: Helen of Troy on 29th March 2024 at 12:57

I suppose Mavis has a point....surely we should look for the beautiful things in life but on the other hand there is nothing wrong in highlighting the dross .
That porch is history & is worth saving but will anyone put it to rights ? Sadly I doubt anone will.

Comment by: Cyril on 29th March 2024 at 13:34

Can't see what Bolton or St Helens have got to laugh about, as they too have boarded up shops and also buildings in dire need of some TLC, much the same as everywhere else at the moment.

Comment by: Veronica on 29th March 2024 at 13:42

If this was originally
a Religious House or small Convent it is very likely there would have been a Chapel for the Sisters. All Convents have one what’s left of them. I don’t think it would have been ornate though, I imagine it would have been quite plain depending on the Order. Nuns live a simple life they would have made use of plenty flowers though. It’s possible there would have been a nice garden around the back for growing their own produce.
I wouldn’t mind those barrels on the right they would make great planters.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 29th March 2024 at 13:51

I will ask my son about the private chapel, Colin. although he probably won't know. He practically lived at The Tudor when he was at Wigan Tech! The landlady and landlord used to come into Boots where I worked. They were lovely people and very popular with the young clientele at that time in the mid-late 1990s.

Comment by: Mat on 29th March 2024 at 14:06

plenty cables on the wall behind porch. Not tidy is it!

Comment by: Father Jack Hackett on 29th March 2024 at 14:22

I attended a few parties in that building back in the day, all organised by the Sisters of the Community of St Mary the Virgin.
They weren't really Sisters, or Virgins, and none was named Mary.

Comment by: philbee on 29th March 2024 at 14:30

The private chapel became a function room ,I attended a New Years Eve party many years ago.I think it was demolished when the first new bus station was built

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 29th March 2024 at 14:35

Thanks Garry, the building looks to be of sound construction, time and weather may have taken its toll, I just hope it is not neglected further for too long.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 29th March 2024 at 14:40

Colin, whenever I hear about the proposed Hilton Hotel in Wigan I always think of Del-Boy getting his collar felt by a policeman whilst carrying a suitcase full of stuff he had been selling on the market. He asks Trigger for directions to "Ze Eelton 'Otel" and then says, "Danke Schoen....Bonsoir"! I would love to see him and Rodney running round the corner of the bus station dressed as Batman and Robin!

Comment by: DTease on 29th March 2024 at 16:20

O Irene where are the comedians now that could make us laugh like Del boy and Rodney?
Right now, the way things are we need them more than ever. Del boy, Ken Dodd, Billy Connolly, Morcambe and Wise, Harry Pemberton, Jethro? Will we ever see the like again?
All the fun and joy seems to have gone out of this poor benighted country of ours. We take everything far too seriously. Does any of it really matter?
We never asked for much did we? All we ever wanted was a job that would pay the rent and a game of dominoes or darts and a few pints at the weekend to lighten the heavy load. Now you have to take a loan out to go to a football match and a packet of cigarettes costs sixteen quid!
Things can only get better.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 29th March 2024 at 16:49

Agreed, DTease....we need a good giggle! The comedians of today just aren't funny! I watch the trailers for things like "Have I got news for you?" and think, "What on earth are the laughing at?!". Their smiles don't reach their eyes and they are just pretending in my opinion to show they are "in touch with the modern world".....they are welcome to it! I have never smoked so didn't know the cost of cigarettes but like a drink. These days you're frightened of saying anything in case you "offend" somebody! Anyway, we can always rely on you, and Veronica and I like a giggle!

Comment by: Veronica on 29th March 2024 at 16:51

You’ve obviously not seen ‘Mandy’then Dtease. She is hilarious and hails from Bolton.
Diane Morgan. Look her up. The best one is a sketch of her in a banana Factory. What about Peter Kay? Uproarious.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 29th March 2024 at 17:10

Helen I have great respect for your comments. There is beauty in everything in life, you just need to look for it.

Comment by: Dave on 29th March 2024 at 17:11

Ken Dodd’s shows are legendary, simply for the hours he would do ! You could leave , have a meal , come back and he’d still be going ! What a legend !

Comment by: Cyril on 29th March 2024 at 20:03

My original comment from this morning seems to have disappeared, strange how they do that. I was saying that you posted a superb photo Colin, it's an historical building and doorway, and it's only when stopped at the lights that you get a bit of a look, otherwise it's a quick glance. There is nothing dark at all about that building, its history is very enlightening indeed.

With those tenement like buildings along that block being derelict, I just hope the council bulldozers don't take a detour down New Market Street.

Comment by: . Ozy . on 29th March 2024 at 20:37

Don’t hold back Mavis , and don’t allow yourself to be bullied , just say it as you see it . Your views are as relevant as anyone else’s here .

Respect . Ozy .

Comment by: DTease on 29th March 2024 at 21:08

I’ll have a look for Diane, Veronica, but I agree with you about Peter Kay he is top class.

Comment by: John Noakes on 29th March 2024 at 22:00

Those Nuns in the market hall were 'Sisters of the Community of St Mary the Virgin'. They most certainly would have been Catholic, as they represented All Saints Parish Church, Wigan.
The Tudor House was opened by the Dean of Lincoln. Probably Wigan was, at that time, in the diocese of Lincoln? Nowadays, Wigan is under the diocese of Liverpool.
Where's Rev. David Long when his ecclesiastical knowledge is needed?

Comment by: PeterP on 29th March 2024 at 22:23

Wigan like any other town has its grot spots and its nice places. The trouble with Wigan is when approaching it from most directions the 1st thing you see are the grot spots and it must impact on visitors to the town.Even Wigan Pier is not appealing to look at, When is the work on it going to be finished?

Comment by: Veronica on 29th March 2024 at 23:46

John Noakes All Saints Parish Church isn’t Catholic it’s Anglican. . I don’t think the nuns were Catholic either who were in the Market collecting.. The Catholic nuns were of the Order of Notre Dame in Standishgate. They also taught in Schools. The habit they wore was different. Two different orders of nuns.

Comment by: John Noakes on 30th March 2024 at 00:43

All Saints Church (not a Parish church anymore) is / was an Anglican Catholic 'High Church'. Orthodox. Not 'Roman' Catholic.
The Order of Nuns originated here -
Community of Saint Mary the Virgin, Wantage (1848)

All Saints, Wigan

Indeed, as you say, they were two different orders of Nuns. The Notre Dame in Standishgate Nuns were Roman Catholic

Comment by: Veronica on 30th March 2024 at 09:23

Yes I already knew that John. There were/ are differences between the Anglican and RC’s beliefs. The RC’s leaders in the Diocese of L’pool are Arch Bishops the Anglican leader is a Bishop. There are 2 Cathedrals as you may know in L’pool. I am a Catholic so I do know the differences. Thanks.

Comment by: John Noakes on 30th March 2024 at 12:42

Veronica, the main difference is that one section look up to the Pope as their leader whilst the other looks up to the English Sovereign. Generally, the same Christian rules apply.
Worryingly, the current 'Head of the Church of England' has been taking lessons in Islam.

Comment by: Veronica on 30th March 2024 at 13:42

Yes Henry the Vlll had a lot to answer for John. I think we’d best leave it at that! It’s the same God and theres only One. There’s far more unity these days and so there should be. But the lessons between the Church and Islam I suppose is to show ‘willing’…and understanding.

Comment by: Brian B on 1st April 2024 at 14:59

For some time my father was the caretaker at the bluecoat school and I remember him being called in to help when the nuns needed to put up banners etc on festive days. I remember the nuns running confirmation classes over at Wigan Hall.

Comment by: Veronica on 1st April 2024 at 18:01

Do you know which Order the nuns were Brian B.? I would be interested to know thanks.

Comment by: John Noakes on 1st April 2024 at 23:57

You already know, Veronica, because you've already been told.
Sisters of the Community of Saint Mary the Virgin.
Look it up yourself - https://www.sswsh.com/RooT/home.php?id=7

Comment by: Brian B on 5th April 2024 at 11:32

Hi Veronica. just to answer your question. I had no idea what order the nuns were till I double checked the postings and Johns comment.

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