Photo-a-Day  (Sunday, 29th October, 2023)

I've never been in The Raven and believe it has a lot of original features, as have other old pubs down Wallgate. My cousin and his wife tell me the food is good in there.

The steps are worn down they would have been scrubbed with a rubbing stone at one time. Reminds me of our front door step in John St many years ago.
No expense spared when that pub was built.

A Scruffy area of wigan always has been and always will be!

Used to love going in this pub before Christmas when I worked in King Street,it was closed to the general public for a few hours in the afternoon then.x

Years ago I used to have a few pints with Billy Boston on mornings after a match day in the Raven.

I don't ever think I have been in there but the Raven frontage is quite a splendid building worthy of preservation and once frequented by some colourful characters, people must remember Billy Davies!!!
Old maps show that there was once another pub next door further down, it must have been pulled down many years ago as the more modern building in its place is now the Paradiso Chicken & Pizzeria.
Does anyone know what this pub might have named?

Ex, Wiganer, this part of Wallgate is by no means scruffy and never has been, it is in the town centre and is in fact one of the few remaining bits of Wigan to escape "improvement".

Quite right A.W. this pub has always been and hopefully still is a great and well presented pub, glad to see the entrance is still intact and I'm told the interior is much the same as always. This I remember in the 1970s was one of a only three pubs in Wigan still to have the special Christmas Porter still on sale around December time, the other two being The Park Hotel and Market Hotel.

Colin the pub further along was the Golden Lion, there were two on Wallgate and nicknamed top lion and bottom lion, the other being opposite the Star Inn and near Trencherfield Mill.

Nice stone doorway...
Just a word about Haigh Hall the other day...does
'Leveling Up' really include...a roof top bar ?
I thought it was for the community etc. Perhaps I'm wrong ?

Thanks Cyril.
Wonder what it looked like, can't have been demolished not too long ago.

I don't know exactly when it was demolished Colin, I can only remember seeing it when walking past or going past on the bus, so it could possibly be around or may even be more than 60 years ago.
Neil Parkinson has put a photo on the Album of Market Place and you can see the Golden Lion, a great pity that it was demolished as that too looks to be an ornate building, and far more pleasing than the building which stands in place of it.
https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/photo.php?opt=5&id=19249&gallery=Market+Place%2C+Wigan&page=466

Ex Wiganer..learn to be more careful with your tongue..I was brought up in Wallgate and I couldn't have wished for. a better environment to be brought up in.

I can assure you ex wiganer Wigan Wallgate has seen better times, but it's never been scruffy.

Maureen folk always say derogatory remarks about Scholes but I am glad I was born there, I couldn’t have wished for a better place despite all the posh areas around Wigan. And there were some really posh areas I have to say. The heart and soul has gone now though sadly. My mam was born in Grt George St. she always spoke fondly about that street.

Veronica,there will always be ignorant people,my Mam was brought up in Scholes and she taught us good manners, which we carried on to Wallgate,there was no what I would call badness in the youngsters,their parents themselves wouldn't have allowed it...I can honestly say that I loved every day of my youth in Wallgate,there was a thread on Wallgate families some time ago,it went on for ages on WW,and went on to prove what genuinely and honest people lived in Wallgate,and hard working.so for someone to just put pen to paper and decry Wallgate when they have no idea what it was like ...well I just simply feel sorry for them,they mustn't have had a good childhood themselves.

Well said Maureen..

Colin, next door to the Raven was The Big Lamp Hotel.