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Interesting Ron, I posted on PAD 28th January 2025 The Slaying of Wat Tyler stained glass window in St Wilfrid’s.
As usual it garner the usual eclectic mix of comments!!!!!

I bet that’s Ralph with the dagger. He looks more well to do with his slick black hair. The other one looks like a soldier in the lower ranks. Poor Wat …

That glass and the church windows portray an incident which took place some 500 to 600 or so years earlier and is just an artists impression of that incident.
A rather sketchy report of what actually happened is contained in a chronicle of the time and Ralph Standish is not mentioned by name, just "one of the King's squires". It tells of the then Mayor of London, William Walworth, cutting Wat Tyler's throat and head with his cutlass followed by "one of the King's squires" stabbing him numerous times with his sword. Tyler didn't die of these initial injuries, but was carried to the poor hospital from where he was later removed and beheaded on the order of the said Mayor, William Walworth. It was the beheading which killed him.

John, next you’ll be telling us that that painting of The Last Supper in the Vatican wasn’t painted as a real life study on the day!!!!!

So, it was the beheading that killed him - I'm pretty sure that it would have done, and many of the French aristocracy would later testify to this fact.

So… it was the beheading that killed him then was it ?

Well who’d o’ thowt it ?

Colin, next, you'll be telling us that it was Ralph Standish who betrayed Jesus to the Jews.

I’m just surprised he wasn’t DOA at the ‘hospital’…it looks like they’re all having a go at stabbing the poor fellow.
What cruel times it was in the past.

Cyril and Ozy, yes, it was the beheading which killed him. The later beheading which is neither featured or mentioned, leading people to think Wat Tyler was 'killed' by Ralph Standish as is depicted on the picture above. But that is not the case and the above picture does not show the 'killing of' or the 'death of' Wat Tyler.

Veronica, they were firm but fair.

Noaksey John “Never let the truth get in the way of a good story”

I don’t think the young Princes in the Tower would agree ‘B’ or the 16 yrs old Lady Jane Grey el al. All because they were in the lines of succession. Besides many more in those turbulent times. Especially one of the Yorkist royals drowned in a cask of beer…mind you there’s still a lot of evil these days.

Sorry - George of Clarence was drowned in a cask of expensive wine.

George Plantagenet
Duke of Clarence
B1449
Dublin Castle, Ireland
Died 18 February 1478 (aged 28)
Tower of London
Burial 25 February 1478[1]
Tewkesbury Abbey.
George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence , was the sixth child and third surviving son of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York, and Cecily Neville, and the brother of English kings Edward IV and Richard III. He played an important role in the dynastic struggle between rival factions of the Plantagenets now known as the Wars of the Roses.[2]
Though a member of the House of York, he switched sides to support the House of Lancaster, before reverting to the Yorkists. He was later convicted of treason against his elder brother, Edward IV, and executed, allegedly by drowning in malmsey wine”.

O.k. Noaksey … keep yer rug on … we’re only having a bit of fun …
Blimey !

Wondered what Wat was short for, and apparently it is pronounced Waat, so a good name for a teenager. According to this baby names website it's a shortened version of Walter.
https://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Wat

I’ve always been under the impression that ‘Wat’ was pronounced ‘Wot’ .
I wouldn’t have a clue how to pronounce ‘Waat’ if I’m being honest .
Give us an example Cyril.

And the Duke of Clarence was executed by drowning in malmsey wine you say Veronica ?

Oh death , where is thy sting ?

I think it was Edward 11 who certainly was stung with a red hot poker in a certain part of his anatomy ..I ‘ll let you guess where though Ozy. So the ‘tale’ goes!

An excellent book on all of the above is a historical novel by Melvyn Bragg “Now is the Time “

I really enjoyed Melvyn Bragg’s “ Return of the Soldier”. A biography of his childhood in Wigton in Cumbria and his remembrance of his dad’s return at the end of the war Paul.

Veronica, yes it was his fundament, and strangely the English at the time had a fascination for killing folks they didn't like by giving them a good poke up there.

https://mikedashhistory.com/2011/03/17/they-dont-like-it-up-em-revisiting-the-sordid-deaths-of-edmund-ironside-edward-ii-and-james-i-of-scotland/

Ozy, the name originates from over on the continent, so over there it's probably pronounced Vaat.
They should have had a Wat in Allo Allo and being interrogated by Herr Otto Flick - "vaat is your name", 'Vaat', "I SAID VAAT IS YOUR NAME" etc.

Don’t these Danes have some interesting names Cyril ?
Take Swein Forkbeard for instance … now that’s one helluva name is that .
I reckon if Mick Byrne was to change his name to Swein Forkbeard by deed poll , that would eliminate much of the confusion on this site at a stroke … confusion caused primarily by the plethora of Micks that continually appear .

So how about it Mick ?…
Swein Forkbeard , squire of Shevvy eh ?…

Sounds good to me .

…. Sound good to thee or what ?

Anyroad , if you don’t want it , then I may well adopt it myself … not unless DTease wants it of course , in which case I’ll step aside and defer to the gent’s more senior status .

his wife would love it Ozy, calling him Swein, yes, I'm sure she would like it very much especially when out and about, say in the bakery, you want a potato and meat - Swein.

I've had a web search for that name and surprisingly he was the son of Harald Bluetooth.
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Sweyn-Forkbeard/

Did Swein Forkbeard use a fork to part his beard when he was eating? Just asking…this is how nicknames come into being. I can’t imaging how his dad ended up with a blue tooth..

Veronica, I too was flummoxed years ago, as to how they came up with the wi-fi name of Bluetooth, especially initially when you heard folks asking "have you got Bluetooth"?

Maybe Harald had a tooth that was so rotten inside it appeared to be blue. I remember years ago a lad at primary school who must never had cleaned his teeth, because around his gums and between his teeth they were literally green, he was terrified when the school's dentist came to check everyone's teeth, and he had to go to the clinic, though I think I'd have been terrified at going to there too.

I’d just like you to know that I’ll have trouble sleeping tonight Cyril , since you’ve inadvertently managed to resurrect the absolutely horrific memories of that school dental clinic in Old road Ashton . The building next door to the former police station that I was obliged to attend in the 60s .

I wouldn’t live in that building even if I won it in a raffle .

I’m doubtful that even electro convulsive therapy could begin to erase the nightmare of the place .

Ozy you aren’t fooling anybody with changing your name by deed poll to Swein Forkbeard. Wasn’t it your father who fell in the dolly tub when your mam put some dolly blue in to make the whites whiter? Unfortunately the ‘ dolly blue’ caused Harald’s teeth to turn blue but the whites just got whiter.
I believe you still use the dolly tub passed down through the generations of ‘ Forkbeard’s’. There’s no need to worry about attending the dentist’s either. Wasn’t a dog found sporting dentures with one blue tooth found in a crevice in Mab’s Cross on Wigan Lane?

I’m not trying to fool anyone Veronica .
I thought that I’d made my intentions perfectly clear the other day .
See above ^^^^^^

I was debating whether or not to call myself Mick at one point actually .
Wouldn’t it be great fun if everyone signed on as Mick ?
….. Oh wait ! ….. most people do that already don’t they ?

I’ll most likely revert back to being Ozy quite soon my dear , as I’m beginning to find this Forkbeard stuff is becoming a bit tedious .

Swein F that would be a damn good idea but we would all have to complain and moan. Bags me being a moaner! §;>)

I see you’ve had surgery done on your nose Veronica .

Oh , and you’ve had your hair permed an’all .

I daresay it’ll take a while but I expect I’ll get used to it .

Herr Swein Forkbeard, the dental clinic I was thinking of (though they would all have been torturing centres) was the one at Millgate, thankfully I never ventured there, but I did hear the tales.

I too have often used the symbol § as a means for a curly hairstyle, and sometimes I've wondered if it has a name and its use, accordingly it is often called a Pilcrow or a Section Mark, and its use is explained in this link: https://linguaholic.com/linguablog/the-meaning-of-%c2%a7-section-mark-footnote/

I just use it ‘cos it looks nice Cyril. Although I didn’t know what it was for actually. I decided to put a l fringe on this one though. €;>)

The Euro sign is a lot better used as a Beatles mophead hairstyle symbol too Veronica, so glad that we didn't go down that Euro route, and I'm sure a lot of folks would have rather kept the original currency of their country too.

You were a millionaire If you were in Italy Cyril with that Lira. I never got my head around that currency.