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Market Place Then and Now
Market Place Then and Now
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Item #: 35120
Thanks to Colin Traynor for the photos.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 18th May 2024 at 08:36

10 years apart but still recognisable.
Of the circa 1920 photo, the only remaining buildings are the two cottages behind the Well, hidden by the more recently added roof above the Well.
On the old photo you can make out the awning above the shop window emblazoned with the name of Amos Allen, the shop window now replaced with a bay window.
With the ‘Spite Houses’ on the right and those houses at the back seeming so close to the road, the road through to Rectory Lane appears quite narrow.
The three other cottages were demolished for the new build Lloyd’s Bank set further back from the road, now Wigan Hospice shop.
Thanks again Ron for posting this on my behalf.

Comment by: WN6 on 18th May 2024 at 09:18

On the new picture I can see the Well with the Stocks behind the Cross but the Stocks don’t appear to there on the older picture. Have the Stocks been relocated at some time?

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 18th May 2024 at 10:10

Correction: 100 years apart!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by: Roy on 18th May 2024 at 10:41

WN6, yes the stocks used to be on the right hand side of the well, anyone sat in them would be facing the well and have their back in front of Spite Row.

Comment by: winnie on 20th May 2024 at 16:28

Name Amos Allen
Age in 1911 45
Estimated Birth Year abt 1866 Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish Standish with Langtree
County/Island Lancashire
Street Address 3 Market Place Standish
Marital Status Married
Occupation Fruitier & Confectioner Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Amos Allen 45 Head Fruitier & Confectioner
Mary Jane Allen Wife 44 Assisting In Business
Amos Allen 20 Son Grocers Assistant
Edith May Allen 19 Daughter Assisting In Business
Stanley Allen 17 Son Working In Mill Lodger
Wilfred Allen 16 Son Working In Mill (warehouse)

Comment by: Rev David Long on 20th May 2024 at 19:14

The three lads - Amos, Stanley, and Wilfrid - all went off to the Great War. Sadly Amos was killed on March 22nd 1918, aged 28. As well as being commemorated as the first name on both the Peace Gate and the Standish Cenotaph, he is also commemorated on the family grave in St Wilfrid's churchyard. The grave was created for his elder sister, Florrie, who died in 1909, aged 21.

Comment by: John on 20th May 2024 at 22:56

Rev David, thanks for that. Stan ran the shop eventually. He always seemed to wear one of those long brown overall coats like Ronnie Barker in "Open all Hours". They sold the home-made penny ice lollies too.
By the way, I left you a message on the p-a-d page for 16th May at 21:17 regarding the cottages on the left of the walking day photos you mentioned. Those cottages were actually in Market Street.

Comment by: Rev David Long on 21st May 2024 at 10:27

Yes, John, I saw that comment - thanks for putting the record straight.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 21st May 2024 at 14:23

John, sorry to have missed your comment 16th May, there's always a bit of confusion regarding what is Market Street and what is Market Place.
Still not sure about this but the Standish Co-op address is Pole Street so I assume the properties further down on the left were on Market Street those properties facing the The Well being on Market Place.
I think some residents there are confused, certainly in the cottage formally The Eagle and Child, the address used to be Market Place but I think its now 39 Market Street!!!!!

Comment by: John on 21st May 2024 at 17:17

Colin, yes it is confusing but there used to be an official postal address of Market Place comprising the properties from "Chadwick House" to the top of Bradley Lane, plus the "Spite row" houses and the still standing properties facing the church, including as you say, the Eagle and Child, later Worthington's butchers. But some time between the wars, I would guess after the spite row houses had been demolished, the name Market Place was dropped as an official address and the buildings affected were officially renumbered as part of Market Street.
The Co-op building is the last in Pole Street and the tall shops to the right of the co-op stand on the site of the terrace of four cottages in Market Street in the walking day photos.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 22nd May 2024 at 08:13

Thank John, that does explain a few things.

Comment by: John on 22nd May 2024 at 11:51

For example, on the 1911 Census Amos Allen's house and greengrocers had the address 2 and 3 Market Place. On the 1939 National Register the same premises had become 22 and 24 Market Street.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 22nd May 2024 at 13:32

Thanks again John, this additional information looks to fit in with the timelines you described such as the demolition of Spite Row and other properties in that area.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 22nd May 2024 at 14:12

Winnie/Rev Long, apologies in that I overlooked to thank you for your important contributions.

Comment by: Roy on 28th May 2024 at 14:34

Yet the nameplate 'Market Place' is still attached to the Black Bull Public House,

Comment by: John on 28th May 2024 at 15:42

Hello Roy, hope you're well and will be going down to Wembley next week. I didn't know that there is a Market Place nameplate on the Bull wall. I'm obviously out of touch. Does that mean they've re-introduced "Market Place" as a postal address for the houses facing the church? or is just stating that this is the Market Place, as it's always been?

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 30th May 2024 at 15:39

Roy, yes it is there and in big bold letters at eye level, never noticed myself until you mentioned it.
I took a picture, it might appear one day on PAD.
Might cause some confusion if someone there wins the Post Code Lottery!

Comment by: Roy on 4th June 2024 at 15:01

Hi John, i'm ok thank you as i hope you are, no not going to Wembley this time 'we' decided not to go. The Market Place sign has been on the Bull wall for years, but the cottages near the cross are in Market St much to the irritation of the people who live in them.

Comment by: Roy on 4th June 2024 at 15:04

Yes Colin definitely could cause Post Code Lottery problems.

Comment by: John on 5th June 2024 at 14:45

Ah well Roy, you can watch it in comfort. I'm well thanks and will be going down by train with my son and grandson. Had enough of driving 400 miles in one day.

Comment by: WN6 on 13th June 2024 at 11:07

There are some days in Standish when I wish they would bring those stocks back into use!

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