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Wigan Wallgate c1930s
Photo: Chris Heaven
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Item #: 33115
Hughes 4-6-4T LMS locomotive 11111 at Wigan Wallgate station. The scene is undated but the loco was built at Horwich in 1924 and withdrawn in 1940. The lower image is the nearest one can get to the location on Google Street View to show the site today.

Comment by: Geoff on 25th April 2021 at 21:29

I really like these then and now photos. Well done Chris.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 26th April 2021 at 08:53

I agree with Geoff about the before-and-after photos. I prefer the "before" one on this example!

Comment by: Jarvo on 26th April 2021 at 11:23

Is this early LMS or late L&Y? I would suggest, with the six digit number, that it must be Lancashire and Yorkshire. But it needs ratification.


Comment by: DerekB on 26th April 2021 at 11:44

Jarvo, Chris says that the locomotive wasn't built until 1924 which would have been after the the railways were merged into the big four in 1923 and the LMS was formed as one of them, so it would appear to have entered into service with the LMS. What puzzles me is that there doesn't appear any indication on the tender who owned it, just a number.

Comment by: DerekB on 26th April 2021 at 15:10

Jarvo, just had another look at this and if you look very closely at the tender you can just make out the letters LMS . In my earlier post I mistakenly referred to the number being on the tender when, in fact, it is on the engine just forward of the cab.

Comment by: Ray on 26th April 2021 at 16:43

Hi Jarvo, This locomotive was L.M.S. The L & Y had disappeared when the
L.M.S was formed in 1923. The L.M.S. initials on the water tank are only
just scarcely visible. This locomotive 11111 did not have a tender, as it
was classed as a Tank Engine. Cheers, Ray.

Comment by: Geoff on 26th April 2021 at 20:07

I can add a little bit more info about the the photos.
On the left of the photo, behind the signal gantry was the Signal & Telegraph Dept. I worked for the S&T for about a year in the late sixties. On the right, on the other side of the tracks ( Where the cars and white vans are parked) was the Permanent Way Dept ( Track) I worked in that Dept for about a year in the early seventies.

Comment by: Jarvo on 27th April 2021 at 11:18

Thanks, gents. I didn't notice the date it was built or the very faint LMS on the loco.

Lovely picture though on a golden age of the railways.

Comment by: Albert.S. on 27th April 2021 at 14:23

Weren’t these commonly referred to as. Side tankers?.

Comment by: Ant on 27th April 2021 at 17:41

They were called Dreadnought Tanks

Comment by: Albert.S. on 29th April 2021 at 09:39

In the photograph of the steam engine, the furthest building, it has a turret on the top. Did the below section house the H.Q. (Wigan Division) Lancashire Constabulary?.

Comment by: baker on 3rd May 2021 at 20:30

jarvo its obviously LMS as the Land Y was absorbed into the LNWR in 1921 three years before this baltic tank was built,admittedly at the ex l and y loco works at horwich.

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