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Then and then and what happened before.
Then and then and what happened before.
Photo: dk
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Three of us: me, our Dave and his mate Ray were wandering up and down the locks in Higher Ince. It was in the Summer, sometime around 1968 or 1969; our Dave and his mate would have been about nine years old and me, ten or eleven.

We went down to the Rose Bridge lock to have a look and see who was fishing. All the kids used to line up on the Bandag Tyres side for snatching gudgeon. It looked like there was a match on sometimes. Then, we set off up the locks and just had a wander and a bit of a throw-in where there wasn’t anyone fishing, and checked all the lock gates looking for lost quills. On reaching the Iron Bridge lock, we decided to go a bit further on, but not too far up, and crossed over onto the Rabbit Rocks side. At the lower bywash on the second lock up, Ray found a rod bag lying like a dead snake in the long grass at the side. It was a belter; beige coloured and with good tie strings. What a find! That sort of thing didn’t happen everyday. I wanted to do a swap, but Ray said that his Dad needed a bag for his piking rod and tucked it in his jeans. There was a bloke with his little lad fishing at the upstream bywash, and we went up to see if he’d caught owt.

You had to be careful. Some blokes would shout and send you off. We sallied up behind him, quiet, no messing, and asked him, and he seemed alright, so we watched him for a bit. He didn’t get any bites.

Ray’s Dad was a bit fierce and a bit strict: me and our Dave were frightened of him. He would come out in the street at bed time and do a special whistle and if Ray didn’t go in straight away he wouldn’t be out the next night. It wasn’t going dark yet but we thought we’d better get closer to home. We were too far up the locks anyway, so we set off downhill. Back at the Iron Bridge lock, we crossed onto the towpath again and carried on down. We had only seen two other blokes fishing, close together, on our way up, and we were going to see if they had caught anything before we went off home.

By the time that we had done the Iron Bridge lock, checked for quills and then done the Sandy Bottoms lock, our Dave had wandered off a bit in front on his own, fed up, because I was trying to talk Ray into giving up the rod bag he’d found. There must have been some swap or other made and, as he gives it to me, we hear our Dave shout, “He’s got one!” So off we scramble and we catch him up in the middle of the Nameless lock, just as this bloke’s mate pushes his landing net into the water. “Get back a bit lads, don’t go near the edge,” says the bloke with the rod. We back off a bit, but only a bit, and his rod bends like mad. There’s loads of swirling going on and we can see this massive snig thrashing about, its head out of the water, and the bloke’s mate tries to get the landing net under it. He tries once. Then he tries again, but the snig’s swimming backwards, it’s absolutely massive, and it keeps slipping back out over the edge of the net. Then, the bloke from the bywash further up, the one we’d been watching, suddenly appears and he is running down the towpath. He shouts, “Get hold of them kids!” We look up, and he’s mad as owt. We move away but he corners us against the lock gates.

“Come here you,” he shouts,” gimme that back.” He snatches the rod bag out of my hand and bang! He lands one, straight across the chops. It doesn’t half rattle.

“What have you done that for?” shouts the bloke who’s wrestling with the snig. And his mate with the landing net looks at us.

“He’s pinched my rod bag, and what’s it got to do with you?”

“No I’ve not.” I say, “We’ve found it.” I’m nearly crying.

“You’ve pinched it when you were behind me.” He’s still shouting. “Now, come on. Own up! Where’ve you got it from?”

“I’ve not pinched it.” I cry, “I’ve got it off him.” I point at Ray.

Bang! He slaps Ray straight across the face as well.

“It was in the grass,” says Ray, and Ray’s really crying. Our Dave’s next in line.

“In the grass at the back of me,” shouts the man. “Now, bugger off before I belt you again!” And off he goes, back up the cut.

I look at Ray and he looks at me. We can just see our Dave running off, pell-mell. He is half way down the Deepy lock and heading for Rose Bridge when the bloke with the landing net lifts this giant snig out of the water.

“Did you pinch it?” The bloke who caught the snig asks us.

“No, honest,” says Ray. “It was just there in the grass, near the bywash.”

“Come back here then. Let’s have a look at your faces,” says the bloke, and we do and he does.

We stare at the snig in the landing net. It’s massive.

“I’m going telling mi Dad,” says Ray. And off we go.

Home was only a mile away. Ray lived right at the top of Chatham Street; the first house at the end of our backs. When we got there, our Dave was waiting and Ray’s Dad and Uncle were stood smoking at the front gate. Ray’s Dad asked him what was going on and it looked like he was going to get another belt for a minute. The next thing was, Ray had been sent to bed and Ray’s Dad and his Uncle rushed off over the cut to find this bloke. Me and our Dave went home. We decided to say nowt. We didn’t want our Grandad going off over the cut for a row with him…




Some things leave a deeper impression on you than others. I’m not talking about the finger marks across Ray’s glowing left cheek. It may seem quite brutal now, but we soon got over a slapped face in those days. None of us ever got over the giant snig though; not even our Dave who hadn’t seen it in the net. All for one and one for all!…but could you blame him running off? We couldn’t.

That particular lock, the Nameless, so called because all of the other ones had names but no-one seemed to have a name for the middle one of these five, was to be forever associated with giant snig. Soon afterwards, and then in later years, and on and on, we would try for a massive snig with a worm when it got late. Of course, it never happened. The giant snig that night was really massive. I am not exaggerating! It was an absolute monster! Never been seen since. It must have been eight feet long…

The top picture is from about 1978. The era of the capped-sleeve tee shirt, the first tash and our Mam’s prize winning patches. This is the actual lock – the Nameless lock.

The lower picture is a bit of a problem. It was about ten years later, 1987ish, but where? I don’t think it is the Top Length. Sennicar Lane way, maybe? It may be Burscough or perhaps Gorst Lane or further afield. I don’t know now.

The pic illustrates a couple of things: I taught him all he knows about fishing, our Dave, but he never got the hang of snig juggling. Personally, I wouldn’t have tried a three-snigger, myself. He would never listen proper. And, he’s still wearing capped-sleeve tee shirts.




…We didn’t see Ray for a couple of days after the slapping. He was often being confined to barracks anyway. Me and our Dave had said nothing at home. When we did see him again, he couldn’t tell us anything. Ray said that his Dad wouldn’t tell him what had happened after they had found the bloke: except…except, the bloke had been fishing on the bottom bywash at first, and, not getting any bites, had upped sticks and moved to the top bywash... leaving his rod bag behind in the long grass.

Comment by: al on 1st November 2011 at 15:04

haha great story dk, poor ray slapped and grounded.

Comment by: Dave Johnson on 1st November 2011 at 15:12

When is Chapter Two due for publication, Makes a change from Mam and Dads wedding 1930. If a few more people would leave a bit more info it would benefit the site greatly. Anyway DK thanks for a good read.

Comment by: josie pennington nee beckett on 2nd November 2011 at 00:38

oh my god dk what a wonderful story, i mean older folk would give you a crack and it didnt matter, and most times you never told your parents thats how it was,i played on those locks many years as i lived in hr ince top of belle green lane two mins from canal, bywash was a place i played almost every day i couldnt swim still cant but i never bothered then the bywash was full of what we called nanny green teeth really slimey green stuff that was very very slippy i once went to play on my own well more than once and i was messing about where the lock and the bywash joined and this massive fish came along and daft me tried to cach it in my hands it got away,but looking back i could have slid down the bywash and drowned we used to jump it and my sister lost her pump ha ha we could have all been dead going on rafts on ponds oh if my kids and grandkids did things like that i would go spare,its amazeing i think and our parents didnt bat an eyelid it was natural but what a childhood did we have !!!! the best,it will never come back coz now parents are scared to let theire kids stray, and i dont blame them as theres so much evil in the world now even me i am frightened to death for my 7 year old grandaughter playing out and thats just in her st,when i was her age i went up canal on my own and black tank and slag tip on hamfield rd , when i was about 9 i used to go round to those who had babies and ask do you want me to minde your baby,and they would allways put the baby in the pram and let you push them around the streets and after about an hour take them home and get six pence or a shilling can you imagin that today the social services would be there, all innocent times and none of us came to any harm,i was playing on the canal a bit before your time dk i was born in 1950 a wonderful time for me and my 3 sisters and two brothers but the 60s was my teens what can i say,anyway i take my hat off to the man who give you a slap , although he was wrong, its what kids today need someone to give um a slap without cops comeing my hubby has had many a clout in his day right or wrong and thats how it was, wish it was like that now thats how folk were and nobody bothered and young uns were young uns and knew theire place, whats gone wrong?

Comment by: josie pennington nee beckett on 2nd November 2011 at 01:40

yea but dave , ilove mam and dads wedding and so does lots of us on here ,its not about fishing,please lets have more mam and dads weddin lol x

Comment by: dk on 2nd November 2011 at 09:01

ee Josie, you're right in a lot of ways. I was the eldest and thus the first in the queue for a slap. Many a time I've had a slap off mi Mam when I'd done nowt and it was our Dave. "Don't bother," she'd say, after she'd found truth out. "It'll do for next week!".

(I love that about "Can I mind your baby for a bit". Priceless!)

Comment by: DaveJohnson on 2nd November 2011 at 15:21

Josie, not criticizing wedding photos just asking for more info in general if at all possible.

Comment by: Grannieannie on 3rd November 2011 at 06:57

DK I love your writing and your stories are so good, you remind me of the way Alan Bennett and Victoria Wood observe daily life and record it with humour and clarity but not straying it into sentimental slushiness. I agree with others that there is a book in there somewhere.
However what is a snig?

Comment by: dk on 4th November 2011 at 17:44

Having had the veracity of this little tale brought into question by one of my offspring, I feel the need to state that it is true, word for word true; certainly, as I remember events.

Grannieannie, snig is a very old word, I think, and one not confined to local dialect. It means eel. There are many tales about eels: the stories reaching almost mythical misunderstanding in bygone times and mainly concerned with their apparently magical reproductive processes. I won’t go into that. From an eating point of view though…not what the snig eats; that’s another topic best left closed. From an eating point of view, the snig makes excellent eating. The flesh is a rich and oily flesh with no fine bones and a meaty texture. It is best, boned and skinned and chopped into goodly chunks, seared off in the frying pan in its own fat and then stewed or casseroled. I’d have it wi’ chips, but I have everything wi’ chips. I have eaten them from Windermere and from the cut; both wi’ chips. The Windermere ones would have less of an earthy taste, you’d think, but I never noticed a lot of difference.

I’m surprised that, if you’re a Grannie, Annie, from Wigan, that you’ve never cooked and eaten these chaps. I suppose times change. I used to take any that I caught to an old friend, Jack Dutch, who would lap them up as a treat. I think that you’ve missed out, perhaps.

It’s never too late to try. But there is one point, a little known point, that must be borne in mind before any prospective snig-gutters and snig-cookers think about popping one into their next bouillabaisse. (see William Makepeace Thackeray) The blood of the snig is intensely poisonous. In the raw form the blood would have an acrid, burning taste if taken by mouth, unpleasant but not poisonous. Once cooked, it is quite safe in all respects. The chief danger lies in the killing of the snig and the cutting up of it. Take one sharp knife, one lively snig and five more fingers not attached to the knife. It’s a recipe for trouble; cutting the head off the snig will just annoy it for a start. Should the chef be so unfortunate as to nick a finger, say, and draw blood and then the blood of the snig come into contact with the open cut then…well, tea may not be ready quite on time.

The above is perfectly true. If I am guilty of anything in this story, and I view the charge as a jumped up one, I would own to have perhaps, just perhaps, being a fisherman and all, perhaps I may have underestimated the size of the snig that night. ‘Twas probably ten feet long.

Comment by: josie on 5th November 2011 at 00:09

ano dave ,no harm meant.

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