Tanners

Were there any in Wigan?

There must have been. But off hand I can't thiink of any place name which reflect this, Tanner's lane etc.

Loads of em, you can book thenm for three mins or more.

I mean the proper smelly ones, Clever Dickie. As well you knew.

Not Wigan

I only know of This one

A murder at Warrington came to mind (Tannery Lane, Penketh); google tells me that tanning was common over there.

But Wigan?

Shall I put Elsie on now, or wait until the bleating starts?

That was my next throw, her and Dennis.

'the trading region of Wigan in the early seventeenth century' (here

It would appear, given the paucity of debts owed to skinners, tanners, shoemakers and glovers from outside the town, that Wigan undertook most of the tanning and finishing of leather products destined for its own market.

Tannery

Enough with the frippery. Find me the part of the fine town which stunk.

Gallaghers, Miry Lane, will not do.

Did we get other people to do our dirty work?

Perhaps tho genealogists will know from 'occupations'.

From the link I provided:

THE SUNDIAL
146, WIGAN ROAD, ASHTON IN MAKERFIELD, WN4 9ST WIGAN | Phone : +44 (0) 1942 727...

tanning, animal skin tanning services, rawhide tanning, tanner, tanned leather, skin tanning services, leather tanning, leather tanning services, tannery

Jo Anne's 17:42 suggests we did get our hands dirty.

THE SUNDIAL
146, WIGAN ROAD, ASHTON IN MAKERFIELD


HARDLY WIGAN, IS IT!

Just wait 'til Tonker sees what you did.

Surrounding areas are allowed. Ashton is lucky to be a satellite of the Town.

How dare you!

My thread, my rules.

Tan House Lane doesn't count either. (Parbold)

How about in your field of expertise?...Backsides!

Always with the bottomage.

Look what google sent me:

Baptism: 14 Oct 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Sutton - 2 Son of James Sutton & Ann
Born: 4 Jul
Abode: Poolstock
Occupation: Tanner
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 222, Entry 1775
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Here

Wigan Town Trail:

At this period Wigan’s economy was based on the market which served a considerable area of south Lancashire; local agriculture and already a number of small scale industries. These included pottery – in 1310 “Adam the potter of Wigan” held a house and half an acre of land on Marking Place - brewing, tanning, woollen textiles –

Where could Wigan's tanneries of more recent history (beyond the C17th) be hiding?

HURRAH....Where next for your 'Rawhide' thread.

Why, Here, I tells thee!

Baptism: 3 Jul 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Gibson - 7 Daur. of Gervase Gibson & Ellen
Born: 26 May
Abode: Standishgate
Occupation: Skinner
Notes: Recd. 2d. July S.V.
Baptised by: at St. Georges Chapel by the Revnd. B. Powell
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 194, Entry 1548
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Same source.

Source

Must try harder

Mind, Equidistant?

18:18 - 'Abode: Poolstock Occupation: Tanner'

That doesn't account for the shoe leather involved in travelling to and from work.

Well, by all accounts, he wouldn't have been welcome on the coach. (Pre bus days)

In 1669 John Leatherbarrow became Mayor of Wigan followed by Myles Turner in 1670 ... and Robert Leatherbarrow in 1678. Here

But that could turn out to be a bit of a tandem.

Interesting name. Never considered its origin before, Jo Anne.

An song

Edit

Wrong theread.

This curious surname is of combined Old Norse and Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a locational name from Latterbarrow in the Furness district of North Lancashire, on the west side of Windermere. The component elements of the name are the Old Norse "latr", lair of a wild animal, and the Olde English pre 7th Century "bearu", grove, wood; hence, "lair by the wood".

Leatherbarrow

So bugger all to do with my lovely thread.

Nice find, all the same.

Was a tanner not six old pence or am I getting mixed up???

Yes, but Wigan was poor.

From the link 20:16 - Wigan Occupations during the 17th century - lists Skinner but not Tanner.

I put a skinner on at 18:51


Steptoe connection?

Steptoe and song? From Elsie to another Streets connection.

Their local.

See what Guy Martin was tanning leather with last night? Dog Do DOs.

That's what prompted this thread, Bentlegs.

Perhaps there was a dearth of dog doo in Wigan?

And people complain when they get it on their shoes. People might not have had shoes without it.

Wigan 1824 - 1825

P 622 Tanners 81
Knight Jas. & Ralph, Weint*
Taylor Mary, King Street

Same info on WW Stuff : Wigan Directory 1825 - Tanners on page 7.

*Interesting reading, lots of the streets, yards and pubs still exist today. The Weind was spelt Weint, probably how it was pronounced at the time.

Edit: Speak of the devil !

(I'm not too keen on the Hallo-wiend. What think ye?)

Lovely atmospheric pic.

Suspect those tanners weren't tanning at those particular addresses, Jo Anne.

Mind you, there were enough slaughterhouses in the town centre to create a stink.

I just get the notion, particularly from the way Guy Martin reminded us how Tanners were shunned, that such activities would have happened on the outskirts of town.

Admittedly, they wouldn't have been using dog muck in the more recent years, instead using chemicals.

But, I have been told that tanneries are/were nasty flyblown places, even in recent years. (late 20th Century)

Lovely atmospheric pic I agree, but scary.

(These seem to be frozen now.)

Suspect those tanners weren't tanning at those particular addresses - possibly not, as that particular isn't addressed.

(At least, I can find no hide nor 'air of it.)

Wigan Life in the 1600’s (p17)

'Before the Civil Wars, Wigan was a town more significant than today and had a population of about 2,000.

Wigan had four gates into the town,
Hallgate ... Wallgate ... Millgate ... Standishgate ...

Outside of these gates were tanneries, gardens, orchards and beyond that dense woods. The main streets in the town were paved with boulders, but outside of these the roads were so muddy that often it would take 6 horses to drag a coach through them. Wigan town comprised of winding alleys, crooked streets and narrow courts, all unlit.'

I see that infernal scarer shook you up a bit, Jo Anne.

'Outside of these gates were tanneries'

Plural?

You'd think there'd be some evidence in existence.

i am not sure if i understand this thread, but, when i was a ikkle kiddie many years ago, i lived and grew up in Hindley, and there was a Tanning place, it was near the, i forget the name of the road, but it was the one that the Swimming pool is now on, anyway the area was called "Tanyard Fields " i think. and it smelt awful on certain days

Interesting, Piccyme.

Hindley, Golborne and Parbold. But nothing seemingly more central to Wigan.

From 'Places'

great link dostaf from 2009, and it seems my memory was correct, Borsdane Avenue it was, i saw a gteat link in the link you added, about old ordinance survey map, which i will have look at when iv'e got more time - well done dostaf

My pleasure.

Thank you for bringing the Tanyard Fields up, Piccyme.

(Psssst, look in the U.D. for turnip definitions. Something there for everyone -Number 6 made me chortle)
Say nowt.

I'm saying nowt.

There was a Tan Pits Farm in Appley Bridge, and one in Tyldesley too. Not Wigan I know...

Huge pits dug into the ground that the workers had to tread carefully between them - very dangerous job - no unions then.

They must have stunk to high heaven.

No pelt and safety in those days. And without the work, the workers would have been skint.

Seriously, the conditions must have been deplorable.

Somebody did a worst jobs type prog, I don't think it was Tony Robinson.

One thing which surprised the unlucky candidate, was the actual weight of the hydes, as well as the unpleasantness of the task in general.

20 fl.ozs per pint of Hydes

Behave!

Good stuff too.