I'm Devastated
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Click the sad faces.
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WHY ??? Basil Brush wots up buddy ?? GB
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Ah well, you can't say I didn't try.
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What, with my knees?
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What has your knees got to do with Brush being found a job?
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 15:23
Oh aye, I went to school with him.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 15:37
I think you'll find it was a joke, Tezza.
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Is it?
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I bet he went to skool with John Lennon, every scouser i ever met said he went to skool with John Lennon,
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Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)
lectriclegs,was bettys husband a policeman and was the hairdressers facing the post office? also was there an outdoor shop on the corner of Corporation street/Walmer street i think the owners name was Cadman.
Posted by: lectriclegs (4406)
xrh59, CANT REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK WAS PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT TEN AT THE TIME AND WENT TO POOLSTOCK C OF E . MY NAN LIVED AT NO 45 CORPORATION ST BACKING ON TO THE DUGGIE.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now, I'm either a time traveller or a bloody good liar.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 16:13
there's no ' or' about it and, a liar is a liar, there is no good or bad its a Sin,
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 16:22
So where did I lie?
Was it about being born in Poolstock?
You're clutching at at straws now Tommy boy.
You keep telling every one I'm a Scouser I'm sure they all believe you.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 16:27
On the subject of liars and lying Tom.........how is that cyberstalking case you kept banging on about going?
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 17:08
So where did I lie?
well first you were working for a company on more money per hour than I get pension in a week, then you were a Company owner, then you were a subby, but,,,,,,you're always on here, MMmmm
Sledge, its on going but its nowt to do with you, but laccy pants will need to explain why, he's using a bonifide company name in rain hill as a cover for other doings,
its getting better init
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 17:19
They'll be charging him with wasting police time.
They've been searching Rainhill high an low for the past few months.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 17:22
Sledge, its on going but its nowt to do with you, but laccy pants will need to explain why, he's using a bonifide company name in rain hill as a cover for other doings,
Why don't you e mail them with your suspicions?
Or better still inform the constabulary about my wrong doings.
Oh, I forgot you've no idea who I am, that could be a bit of a drawback.
And by the way, that's a libellous comment, you could find yourself in trouble for that.
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You really should cut him some slack Leccy.
The poor befuddled old soul still thinks I mend the roads in Wigan and live on a horse ranch in Yorkshire.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 17:41
If he didn't keep having a pop at me I'd leave him alone.
But he has to keep trying to impress his peers.
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whats happened to arfur?
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 18:29
Or still in the dressing up box with Elvis and WPC Liptrot.
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Humpty Dumpty Pants!
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Running round with Tom in his back garden both in the nip?
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I know I've hit a target because there are a lot of deleted threads over at the peepers site, someones running worried
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 19:53
If you had the nerve to let people see they could make their own minds up.
But as it stands they only have the word of a proven liar.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:08
you are the proven liar Mr earns more in a day than my pension, if you're always on here, how can you be working ?
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:11
Because I'm cleverer than you.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:14
no you're not, I'm for real, lots of people on here will vouch for me, who will support you ?
just an ex council desk jockey and a bloke sacked for allegedly misconduct ,
you are lower than a snakes belly in a wheel track, are you manageing on the £20 universal credit drop
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:22
More libellous comments Tom.
Be careful lad, better leave it now till the ale wears off, and I'll take it no further.
I think you're getting me mixed up with someone else.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:30
don't like the truth do you ?
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:32
Oh. I love the truth me.
Like I said be careful, you're out of your depth.
final warning.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:37
final warning, ripped up and binned, go ahead, blow your trumpet,
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:43
Glad to see you've taken my advice.
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I can't see how I've done that, i know i've hit a nerve and your making threats again,
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:49
Threats, Tom where?
Just advise.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:53
Like I said be careful, you're out of your depth.
final warning.
that is an intimidatingly threat, for all to see,
even your bessy mate sledge will be messaging you now saying,
" wow back off laccy pants"
ok i could be wrong, does anyone agree ??
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 20:58
Aww diddums, crying now are we?
Mard sod,
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 21:10
just remember how this came about,
laccy pants tried to shut down Tomplum,,,,,,,,he failed
laccy pants tried to shut down wigan rejects he failed
laccy pants tried to shut down wigan rejects again he failed
live and learn, respect your elders and know when to retreat,
draw a line under it and move on,
thats my advice,
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 21:15
Both Wr And Tomplum Boards now closed to non members.
Now I call that a win.
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 21:20
they are still open to normal people, closed to morons, trolls and menaces ,
work it out yourself, sledge was a member at tomplum, he had a look round, did't like it and went, fair enough but he left his horse ranch IP behind, you done the same with your rainhill ip , Sledge never got banned and is welcome back, i hope he learns that, he's aiding a wrong un,
you listnin' sledge choose your friends wisely
Replied: 1st Nov 2021 at 21:39
Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4190) View GOLDEN BEAR's page
WHY ??? Basil Brush wots up buddy ?? GB
Simon Cowell won't be on TV as much
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Never believe or buy The S*n they tell lies You'll Never Walk Alone
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Never believe or buy The S*n they tell lies You'll Never Walk Alone
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Tom?
Curious to know where MrSledges IP address said he was?
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 12:18
Stud farm in North Yorkshire and the drive needs the pot holes filling in,
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 12:55
Mr Sledges "horse farm" isnt actually in North Yorkshire Tom
Sadly and yet again I find myself questioning the validity of your statements and I would suggest anyone else does the same
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:02
Still denying that old slip up are you, it was witnessed by all and sundry, futile to keep denying it when we all know the truth.
There's a good boy, bite the bullet and see sense.
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:07
If you care to remind us all of what you perceive to be a "slip up" I will be happy to explain the circumstances............ not that I expect you to believe me though
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Heard the lies before as did everyone else at the time how you used his account to log in and all that crap. Don't bother you weren't believed then and your not believed now you mard sod.
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:15
At the time MrSledge was sat next to me, we were both logged in to WW under our own accounts via our mobiles. I made a comment on his account and vice versa...........cant see the issue myself but if you want to believe something else it is entirely up to you
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:20
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh dear!! This guy can't lie straight in bed, did you glass collect at the Riverside also and have a DA.
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:26
For you to say I am lying, you must know the truth.............so fire away. You tell us what happened, not what you think happened, tell us what ACTUALLY happened.
Then........... I will ask you to prove it
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:30
"a narcissist will get angry when you try to assert your opinion. The narcissist is always right even if their conclusion is illogical".
"Severe narcissists are always right — always. As your relationship with a narcissist progresses, the veil drops, and he or she begins to stop saying what they think you want to hear. Then, arguments grow more frequent and more intense".
There’s no winning the argument because, again, narcissists do not respond to logic. The only time they do is when it serves their purposes.
Another one from here
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Last edited by Stardelta: 3rd Nov 2021 at 16:49:23
Sadly and yet again I find myself questioning the validity of your statements and I would suggest anyone else does the same
A very wise thing to do as well, because the IP finder that i use, is very unstable and of course the sender could be using a proxy address or might even have changed providers, My own IP is in Ireland according to the finder app,,
So don't blame me, You asked me, Where was the IP indicated and I told you
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You did Tom, fair play………but it would have helped your reputation if you had also said the finder you based the claim on can be unreliable…….by a couple of hundred miles in some cases
To avoid any further embarrassment on your behalf MrSledges “horse farm” is actually in Cumbria.
Replied: 3rd Nov 2021 at 20:22
So there you go, it was 75% correct,
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Posted by: TerryW (6782)
you mard sod
that's rich coming off the site's cry baby.
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 08:22
"To avoid any further embarrassment on your behalf MrSledges “horse farm” is actually in Cumbria."
Another load of horse manure, can't believe the depth you will stoop to just to try and conceal your 'slip up'. Swallow the bitter pill boy, it will make you feel a lot better about yourself.
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I can’t believe you are still banging on about it even after my explanation and having no proof otherwise
But still……it’s what you do Terry, anything to provoke and draw attention to yourself eh
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Cheer up boy someone on here may like you.
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Is being liked by the people in here something that matters to you Terry?
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"Research shows that those who are well-liked are happier, more successful in their jobs, and even physically healthier up to 40 years later."
I can't argue with that, in here or anywhere else it's very nice . I would be lying if I said I didn't like being liked and I never lie.
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 19:31
Everyone likes to be liked, I just seem to be one of those blokes that many people find likeable.
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As for those who dislike me, it doesn't matter at all to me.
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 19:35
Do you think that you constant displays of aggression and hostility towards me and baz and leccy are something that makes you popular with the majority of people in here?
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 19:35
If you think that is aggression you must have been wrapped in cotton wool all your life.
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What do you call it?
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I don't call it anything it is what it is.
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Do you think you might be more popular if you totally ignored and didn't provoke us?
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Did you once make this promise to someone in here?
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Why did you break the promise Terry?
*** Edited and spell check turned off for the benefit of the terminally pedantic amongst us
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Was it a case of your `moral compass` saying one thing but your ego saying another?
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I don't really care what I did on here to be honest, my life is good and I enjoy it. Not fussed if I'm popular or not with people on here, if they like me fine if they don't they don't. I'll still sleep sound.
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 19:51
So is it fair to say its all about you and no-one else?
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You seem very reluctant to give me a straight answer Terry.
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If that's what you have assumed so be it.
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I haven't assumed anything Terry, I am merely asking you a few questions
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 19:59
Are you just craving attention from me again?
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Do you think the way you behave in this forum and the altitudes you display is something to be admired?
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Are you proud of the way you behave in this forum Terry? Furthermore do you think your behaviour is something others may not agree with?
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You are a grown man Terry, constantly saying "dont care" is not a very mature approach now is it?
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In fact, and forgive me for saying it but its could be described as arrogance.
Replied: 4th Nov 2021 at 20:06
I'm having trouble with the board changing size.
"Are you just craving attention from me again?"
I would suggest that it is you who is craving my attention, you are asking the questions are you not?
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Six posts.
Looking for my attention are you.
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Yep.....and not a single straight answer from you Terry
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I think you are right, Broady.
I do tend to run over folk in my way.
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I appear to have developed a stammmmmmmm......er.
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Terry you start some interesting & light hearted threads,take no notice of those that keep on & on with their constant annoying posts,they'll get fed up sooner or later,just give it a try please & then myself,momac,jathbee & all the other nice people can join in
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 07:08
Like I said NanaJ it doesn't bother me at all.
Why this guy thinks I need to answer his questions is beyond me. Perhaps he thinks he's some kind of authority on WW.
Peys above sticks.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 07:39
I know it doesn't bother you Terry but it's bothering everyone else that would like to post,just give it a try & they ( he ) will get fed up of talking to himself
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 07:53
1st THREE replies about the thread then it goes down hill fast and degenerates into a slanging match till the end Know wonder members don't reply to threads or start threads because of this.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 08:31
I think they should have their own thread and anyone who wants to go in and have a good laugh from time to time can, or even join in. Call it "Infantiles", or does anyone else have suggestions for the name?
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PLAYGROUND
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Anyway,good morning everyone..I'm making my marmalade this morning..mind you it's not from fresh oranges just Mamade..but it's very good..
So what is everyone else doing with their day...come on let's lighten up. lol.
Then later on I might go windsurfing down the Dougie.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 09:18
Last edited by momac: 5th Nov 2021 at 09:28:29
I'm working as usual
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Aww,that's not good.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 09:40
Well it seems that nobody wants to play..Would I be better joining in with the arguing...Nooooooo.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 09:59
I'm playing momac....just got my suitcase out & sorting through my outfits & tankinis for Tenerife on Friday yipee
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 10:10
General housework for me, then maybe a start on making Christmas cards, later on when it’s dark do a bit of knitting. No time at all to spend on the silly bickering types.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 10:31
I'm going to try and sort the printer out..Cliff was the one who used it,I never did so I'm going to have some fun? here's hoping.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 10:55
I tried to sick a piece of leather together on one of my watch straps which had snapped, using super glue. Needless to say it didn't work but I managed to get it all over my fingers, it's taken me most of the morning to try to remove it. Managed to do it in the end, using a Ped Egg which I use to remove hard skin. It worked a treat.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 11:19
Jathbee,I found that the best glue I've used is loctite..mind you I haven't had to try it on a watch strap...also nail varnish remover is very good for removing glues etc.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 11:33
Thanks for the advice momac. I will remember that the next time I get glued up
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 13:26
Jathbee, Gorilla Glue in the 50mm size may do the job, it's easy to use lightly roughen the leather, put a thin layer on both sides and clamp them together overnight if you can, momac's idea is similar and just as good.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 14:28
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I love everything about tips..has anyone any tips or questions.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 14:57
When you do the timewarp (again)
take care not to get your sequins snagged on your fishnets.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 15:01
What about leather glue
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 15:09
I would think Loctite would be good on leather also.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 15:18
My best tip ....in your Wheelie Bin put 4 inches of water & a good squirt of bleach then a Wheelie Bin liner,so when the bin is emptied all the inside gets a good wash,saves getting the hose pipe out
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 15:22
To get smell of garlic or onions on your hands off just rub them over anything stainless steel,sink unit or knives etc.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 15:39
Anybody who knows any young Mums whose baby has nappy rash..a light dusting of Robins Starch soon sorts it out ..that's if they can find any shops that sell it.
Replied: 5th Nov 2021 at 15:50
Gorilla glue expands when curing though.
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 10:20
look at the state of my thread.
why didn't you just buy another strap?
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 11:20
Because Baaazil. They're is nothing wrong with the strap. It's the tiny piece of leather that holds the strap down and it's a designer strap, so I want to keep it in tact.
Good grief you are a miserable wretch.
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 16:44
Basil...lighten up...the threads are not just for you.
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 16:47
This threads improved a lot.
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 16:54
It has hasn't it DominO.
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 17:07
Yes and all thanks to you, Momac, with your tips.
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 17:13
Terry
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Jathbee did the glue do the trick ?
Replied: 6th Nov 2021 at 17:29
I think she's stuck her fingers together, NanaJ.
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I did TerryW. The piece of leather was too tiny to manage it. I tried some eyebrow tweezers to fix it in place but it just stuck to the tweezers.
The leather is ruined now so maybe a small elastic band will do a temporary job until I find a suitable alternative.
If anyone has any suggestions, they would be welcome.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 08:36
How about asking the shoe repair shop they repaired a handbag for my daughter ?
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 08:45
Jathbee. You can get leather watch strap keepers on Amazon for a couple of pounds for two, I think those watch repair kiosks that sell straps should have them as well.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 08:49
Jonathan in Wigan Market may help he's really good
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 08:54
Another suggestion Jathbee,the 'watch man'at the bottom of the steps in the market hall is very helpful..next time you're in town,it's worth a try.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 08:57
There is one in the Grand Arcade as well as the Market Hall. Worth a try.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 09:01
Momac that's Jonathon he's lovely
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 09:02
Thanks for the advice everyone. I will look into it all until I get my watch sorted. It was a present from my daughter, so it's precious to me.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 09:17
NJ..he is lovely,and very helpful.
Jathbee,I do hope you can get it sorted.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 09:22
Posted by: jathbee (10935)
If anyone has any suggestions, they would be welcome.
Posted by: basil brush (17282)
why didn't you just buy another strap?
I came up with something and got railroaded, so thanks
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 10:41
I did explain to you why I didn't.
Or did you miss my post.
Replied: 7th Nov 2021 at 18:20
but you were willing to take other peoples advice,
Replied: 8th Nov 2021 at 08:56
Yes indeed but only if it's feasible and your suggestion wasn't.
Simples.
Replied: 8th Nov 2021 at 17:44
Do you mean it depends who it is who posts?
Replied: 8th Nov 2021 at 18:56
The lady posted...
Posted by: jathbee (10937)
Because Baaazil. There is nothing wrong with the strap. It's the tiny piece of leather that holds the strap down and it's a designer strap, so I want to keep it in tact.
Your suggestion of getting a new strap was out of the question and nothing to do with who posts what, nothing more.
Replied: 8th Nov 2021 at 19:36
The leather is ruined now so maybe a small elastic band will do a temporary job until I find a suitable alternative
Replied: 8th Nov 2021 at 19:40
Yes the strap keeper. A little leather hoop that the strap is held in place with.
Replied: 8th Nov 2021 at 19:49
TerryW
You keep on knocking but you won't get in.
Come back tomorrow night and try again.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 00:46
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Basil, you are sooooo needy.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 07:30
You're correct Platty
He needs to stop trying to cause arguments.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:24
who?
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:38
Do you ever read posts? Of course you do.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:45
trying to think who causes arguments
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:46
Hummm. Let me think.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:49
well if youve got proof why dont you post it
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:50
Sorry no more time left for me to amuse myself with you.
I have somewhere else to be. Bye. See you later.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:52
so im guessing youve no proof
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 08:54
Looks like Platty has just joined t`other gang Baz
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 09:01
seems so
if some people are accusing me of something then i just want them to back up there comments....thats all
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 09:11
Admin: Can you make a rule that posters on this site must be 18 years old or over? There seems to be some adolescents (with all their associated problems) sneaking in.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 10:28
Have you ever made any `adolescent` comments in here Platty?
Think hard now!!!
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 10:34
All this and he was only devastated about Simon Cowell.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 11:06
then you came on and it went downhill
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It wasn't anything to do with Wigan though was it, and irrelevant news to 'local people'.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 12:26
Do you ever make comments totally irrelevant to Wigan and local people Terry?
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 13:09
you didn't say that it wasn't anything to do with Wigan.
Posted by: TerryW (6892)
It wasn't anything to do with Wigan though was it, and irrelevant news to 'local people'.
so why haven't you said anything about the American threads?
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 13:17
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Remember what I said earlier about Terry and his hypocrisy and double standards Baz?
Bang to rights again.
Arf arf arf!
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 14:01
Basil it does affect local people and indeed the people of the world, so it is relevant.
Pandemic adjective.
(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 14:09
Another backtrack
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 14:54
So the Coronavirus didn't reach Wigan then?
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 14:56
It's not about covid, this thread
Replied: 9th Nov 2021 at 15:11