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It looks like horses have passed by and left some messages.

It’s an interesting photo Veronica but I’m not sure the information is correct.
Scholes would be going up on the right making this the corner of Warrington Lane (not Road).
Secondly the Blubell pub once stood on that corner and although the small building could have been pulled down to build it I doubt that that fine looking three story building further up could have been demolished at that time.
I realise you are only reporting what it says on the caption but I think it might be somewhere else, corner of Hardybutts perhaps?

PS take a look at the photo on the Album of Scholes to make a comparison.

The Bluebell pub was on the corner of Scholes/ Warrington Lane and built in 1896. Just wondering if this photo was earlier than 1900.

It does say Warrington Lane on the photo Colin. My mistake

Veronica, in the words of Bill Clinton ‘I misspoke myself’.
It would have been the corner of School Lane and Scholes, Warrington lane would have started on the right hand side and continued down to the junction of Darlington Street and Darlington Street East. Warrington Road is further along still taking you to Lower Ince and Spring View.
So where this photograph was taken is open to speculation!

Fascinating photo! I love photos of old shops. I have an original shop advertising sign like those over the door on the wall of the shop. Mine says "You save 4d a pound. Brooke Bond Dividend Tea." I also have some original brown paper bags advertising Brooke Bond Tea. How I would love to walk into that shop!

It is Warrington Lane after the lights on Scholes crossings and before that School Lane. The names (Woosey) and addresses of the shops are in Scholes Colin. In my mind it’s the corner before the Bluebell pub was built.
Winnie will no doubt see this and confirm I imagine.

Colin, a message for you, from Cyril ….

“nitpicking means fussing or being overly concerned with minor rules or details. Simply put, it’s fault-finding at a petty level, and sometimes considered”

Over to Winnie our very own Wigan World detective ;o))

I know it's not the same shop...but it looks like the pie shop my Grandpa & Granny Bradshaw had somewhere near the Parish Church...perhaps Hallgate...I think I posted a photo of of the shop in Album/ People/Bradshaw

Didn’t one of the Bradshaws open a pie shop in Barnoldswick?

What's the other name in the writing Miss T ?

Just looked the photo up on Wigan and Leigh Archives Corner of Warrington Lane circa 1900. Showing conrer shop. Mrs M G Woosey, grocer 43 Scholes and Miss T MacDonald wardrobe dealer 45 Scholes, Wigan.

Name James Woosey
Age 38
Estimated Birth Year abt 1843
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Mary Woosey
Gender Male
Where born Wigan, Lancashire, England
Street Address 43 Scholes St
Marital Status Married
Occupation Provision Dealer James Woosey 38 Head
Mary Woosey 40 Wife

Woosey
Woosey James 46 yrs 43 Scholes 09-Aug 1888 C 527 C of E
Woosey Mary Jane 83 Yrs Scholes 13-Mar 1923 C 527 C of E

1891 Censers 49 and 47 Scholes Street Zachariah Hurst ,Jubilee House /Pub 45 Scholes Street John Rudd ,Brush Shop 43 Scholes Street Mary Jane Woosey Provision Provider 41 Scholes Street Arthur Sheldon Bricklayer and Grocer

Thank you Winnie that proves it’s Scholes and before the Bluebell was built. What a shame the tall building was demolished.

The Bluebell was built in
In 1896 so the photo must have been earlier as said. Pity about the 3 storey building it looks in quite good condition. Perhaps it was a family photo treasured over the years.

Colin, take no notice of Mick as he's probably been sniffing his wife's bottle of Siu haau sauce.

Woosey was a popular name in Scholes, when I did a stint of caretaker at St Catharine's in the 1970s, I remember there were quite a few Woosey's.

Mary Jane Woosey was living at the same address till 1921

The address on all the censers in Scholes Street

We can only go with what is written….unless a map shows up from the early 1890’s and another in the 1900’s.

I tend to agree with Colin. There was a Blue Bell pub at the junction of Scholes and School Lane before 1841, it was demolished and rebuilt in 1896. The bigger building in the picture does not correspond with the map of the junction from 1889. And why would it not say corner of School Lane, which is what is was called? Something doesn't add up.

Might the 3 storey house have been lowered? It wasn’t unknown to do that. The Georgian House on Millgate was found to have been lowered from 3 storey high. I seem to remember a discussion about that a few years ago. I’ve also seen this photo in a book I’ll see if I can find it. There maybe some details about it.

The next address on the censers is Warrington Lane

There is a photo in the Album section ,Scholes ,page 3 named Old Scholes that could be 2 of the buildings .Although it's not much help as the photo has no comments !!!

I have the photograph in a book called
“ Those Dark Satanic Mills” purchased from the History shop years ago. It states underneath “ A corner shop in Scholes c 1900.” There’s no handwriting above it. It’s a much clearer picture than the above the ‘ billboards’ are clearer and a slightly bigger photo. I can’t see it being at the bottom of Hardybutts where the Royal George was though. There are some very interesting photographs in this book. When I get around to it I will post some but make sure they aren’t on Album first.

The numbers on the premises in Scholes were Evan on the Bluebell side The corner in the pic must be at the Warrington Lane and not School Lane end

I remember spare land on the opposite side of side of the road from the Bluebell but the backs of the shops and houses on Scholes were a little further up.

It’s looking like the ‘mystery’ can’t be solved. It reminds me of one of those American films with the ‘ Dead End Kids’ at the Scholes Pictures with the neighbourhood police man twirling his truncheon and keeping the kids in order. It’s a definitely a posed photograph whichever street it is.

Lived in springs many years ago, you crossed the road up by the sawmill and you were in the country and woods of haigh hall or along the canal for miles of great walks.

Does anyone know when the Royal George was built?

Veronica before the Royal George Lodging House there used to be a pub called the George Inn on this site, not sure if it was the same building. The earliest reference I have found to the pub was in 1825. In 1869 the pub was closed down when John Catterall was the licensee, it was said it was 'frequented by thieves, prostitutes and bad characters of all kinds.' The first reference I have seen to the lodging house was in 1901 when it had 24 male residents, but it was still going in 1965.

How very interesting Paul thank you for that information. My ancestry on my dad’s side were Catterall’s. My Grandfather John Catterall was born at
1 Clockface Yard in 1881 very near to the Royal George area and was one of 5 brothers. I wonder if the Licensee was related. Probably was!! His father was Levi though born in 1857.
So perhaps that rules out the situation of the shops above. ;o)

Another personal interest for me is the fact that Levi Catterall who was born in 1857 in a place called Coal Yard Warrington Lane. His mother and grandmother died there in 1870 within weeks of each other from a ‘fever’ according to the death certificate. What a picture that conjures up to me. I found the dates of the deaths in the Cemetery lists on Wigan World. A useless bit of information but it does show up there were places that families lived quite near each other in the past.