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Ince Vicarage
Ince Vicarage
Photo: Rev David Long
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Item #: 33013
Old map showing a Vicarage west of the railway on Westwood Lane. This was actually the Vicarage for Christ Church - being within that Parish until St Mary's Parish was formed on the building of the church in 1887.
The site of the three houses shown is where Westwood Cemetery is now - but Christ Church Vicarage did not move into the actual Parish of Christ Church when it was demolished - instead the new Vicarage was the first house in the row built between what is now Mount View - which starts opposite where the footpath comes in - and the entrance to the cemetery. It remained there until the 1980s, when a new house was built (the present Vicarage) on Belle Green Lane.
In the meantime... St Mary's Vicarage wandered from building to building. The first Vicar, Thomas Taylor, son-in-law of Canon Fergie, Vicar of Christ Church, lived somewhere opposite Ince Public Hall at first. Then the Vicarage was moved to a section of the Hall of Ince on Warrington Road (see earlier map) - after the death of Rev Samuel Bryson in WW2, it was moved to Cllr. Lymn's old house on Crompton Street, Spring View (opposite end of the row where the Police Station was). In the 1950s it was moved again - this time to where Albert S. remembers it - on the other end of the row where Christ Church Vicarage was, and next door to Westwood Cemetery. The new Vicarage next the church on Warrington Road was built in the early 80s.

Comment by: Albert.S. on 20th March 2021 at 13:28

Walking across the field opposite the vicarage, it would eventually take you to where the Westwood Power Station was, and the Leeds & Liverpool Canal. A short cut to Poolstock.

Comment by: Albert.S. on 20th March 2021 at 15:21

Walking across the field opposite the vicarage, it would eventually take you to where the Westwood Power Station was, and the Leeds & Liverpool Canal. A short cut to Poolstock.

Comment by: English Electric on 21st March 2021 at 06:28

On this map, where the extension of Westwood Lane continues beyond the top left edge, the track looped back towards Warrington Road via a footpath and a long, narrow, unlit subway beneath the main railway line.

This subway had (still has?) a name. Can anyone remember what it was called? I can't recall, except that it was something in line with its dark, styxian character.


One of the recent "James Street Dereliction" series pics (Item #32938) shows the group of kids sitting on a brick wall at the eastern end of that underpass.

As a lad out on his bike in the early 1970s, I discovered that same "Deep Purple" wall and decided it would be a grand place to sit on top and do a bit of train spotting.

Not long after climbing up there, the wheels of a huge Class 40 loco and its loaded coal train rumbled past, seemingly within touching distance and way too close for comfort. I quickly cleared off to somewhere safer!
I hope the gang of kids from James Street didn't get a similar experience.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 21st March 2021 at 11:13

My friend's Aunt used to clean for Rev. Bryson and also used to clean either one or maybe both the chapels in Ince cemetery, I'm not quite sure on that....either way, she would be horrified to see the state of them now.

Comment by: Albert.S. on 21st March 2021 at 12:17

Irene. The Reverend Bryson was the vicar when I attended St Mary’s Infant, and Junior School, 1938–45.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 21st March 2021 at 12:40

How interesting Albert! Was one of the teachers Mrs Round?

Comment by: Albert.S. on 21st March 2021 at 14:02

Certainly was Irene. Mr Entwistle head master. Infant school, Miss Ormerod, Miss Naylor, and Miss Kenyon. My Teacher in the junior school, was Miss Marsden. No men except the head master. The rest were kicking Hitler’s backside, in the Middle East, and fighting the Japanese in the Far East. Then fortress Europe in June, 1944.

Comment by: Cyril on 21st March 2021 at 16:41

English Electric, the subway in your question is answered in a comment made by Rev David Long on this photo from the Album, i.e. "Perhaps the compilers were frit of walking through 'Devil's Bridge'...."

https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/photo.php?opt=6&id=15473&gallery=Backyard+studio&offset=20

A modern day photo of Devil's Bridge here: https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/photoaday.php?photo=2019-05-24

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 21st March 2021 at 16:44

I knew Mrs. Round from many years later at Wigan Little Theatre. I sold ice-cream with a few times in the interval when she was in her nineties and sometimes middle-aged men who she had taught introduced themselves. Her memory was amazing as she often remembered them as young boys and she would say. "Right, your choc-ice is 95p, your lolly is 79p and your sweets are 99p....how much? Come on, lad!" and you would see these middle-aged men going red as they tried to add it up! She lived to 100 and was an amazing lady with a razor-sharp mind and it was a privilege to know her.

Comment by: Albert.S. on 22nd March 2021 at 09:45

Yes Irene, she was a grand lady. My mother would often have a chat with her.

Comment by: Cyril on 22nd March 2021 at 13:49

Irene, was she the lady whom they referred to as Auntie Betty? I wasn't a regular and think I've only ever been there a couple of times when a play was running, but doing the work I did I went there on many occasions, and it was often said if you want to know anything ask Auntie Betty as she's been here for donkeys years. I've now forgotten the caretakers name, possibly you may recall him - he lived on Dicconson Terrace, he'd many a tale to tell and once told about the ghost of an old man wearing a flat cap rumoured being seen back stage, he said very often he'd give folks a fright as they'd mistake him as being the ghost.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 22nd March 2021 at 20:11

No, Cyril, Mrs. Round was not "Auntie Betty" as far as I know. Her name was Ethel but only a chosen few were allowed to use that name. I'm afraid I don't know of "Auntie Betty" at all. I was involved with WLT from around 2000-2015. I did scenery painting, front-of-house and I worked behind the bar. I was also in two plays. I never saw the ghost but a man I worked with behind the bar told me of a strange experience he had.....he was a most down-to-earth man who didn't believe in the ghost but the experience he had was very strange....perhaps I'll tell you sometime!

Comment by: Cyril on 23rd March 2021 at 15:49

Sorry Irene I should have said this was during the 1980s. I then worked for the council and would go there to lay bait for rodents which they then got troubled with on occasions and they didn't want valuable scenery, props or expensive costumes to get destroyed by being nibbled.

Wonder if the apparition is still being seen wandering around.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 23rd March 2021 at 18:46

This wasn't an apparition, Cyril, that spooked my colleague behind the bar. It was a voice....his daughter's voice. I don't want to put the tale on here but would love to tell you about it! Are you on facebook or email?

Comment by: Cyril on 23rd March 2021 at 19:27

That sounds interesting Irene, you can get my email from off Geoff, that would be best I think.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 23rd March 2021 at 22:18

Geoff, Cyril? I can only think of Geoff from The Observer....is that who you mean?

Comment by: Cyril on 25th March 2021 at 17:08

yes he's the one Irene, I've also read about the theory of events becoming time locked and re-occurring at future times, as you mentioned, here's an article about the Treasury House in York that may be of interest.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/by-the-look-of-you-youve-seen-the-romans

There's been other curious instances too that I've read of occurring.

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