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Cyril



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:06 pm    Post subject: Goodbye to another ancient Horse Chestnut Reply with quote

The massive Horse Chestnut at Marylebone on the edge of the park has been given a felling order this July, I noticed last autumn that the bark was splitting and cracking in places, this year it's worse with the leaves being a lot smaller than usual, the canker and other diseases have decimated the tree, these apparently are spread by beetles burrowing under the bark also by leaf miner moths, sad really as it could well be up to 500 years hundred years old considering the girth of the main trunk, it must be around four foot, 1.3m, in diameter if not more.

They were a popular tree to plant by local authorities as they were previously pest and disease free, they were widely planted around the UK in the late 16th century after being introduced from Turkey.

Some years ago I'd often see Bob Yates walking his boxer around Marylebone park and he'd joke about the tree being a sapling when Robin Hood was a lad. There's a photo of him with Sir Ian McKellen in the Album.
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/6/aez1m83v.jpg

You can see the tree on the right of this photo on the Album, the park is a lot different now as to how it is on this photo and those hawthorn saplings back of the fence are now a full grown hedge.
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/5/tpd7m5nx.jpg

I don't have a website photo sharing account so cannot upload a photo of it now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The oldest horse chestnut tree in the UK, according to registered records, is around 260 years old. They were only introduced to this country around 300 years ago.

Ian McKellen is a liar, he's not old enough to have ever met Robin Hood!
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Cyril



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 300 plus year old is supposedly the UKs largest Horse Chestnut tree, and not necessarily the oldest.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/29/a-300-year-old-horse-chestnut-tree-named-uks-largest

My information about the introduction of Horse Chestnut in the late 16th century was from the Woodland Trust, see Where to find Horse Chestnut.

https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/trees-woods-and-wildlife/british-trees/common-non-native-trees/horse-chestnut/

I never said anyone had met Robin Hood, I was quoting Bob Yates joking about the tree being around when Robin Hood was a lad.

Sir Ian McKellen may not have met Robin Hood, though he did however help along with actresses Judi Dench and Sylvia Syms to re-open a little theatre called Robin Hood Theatre.

https://www.thestage.co.uk/news/2014/dench-mckellen-help-reopen-robin-hood-theatre/

The land on which the tree at Marylebone is on was not originally council land, it was the large garden of Bank House a mansion situated at the end of what is now Tennyson Drive, the whole land was acquired by the council in the 1920s and the mansion demolished, so the tree may well have been planted in the garden by an avid collector in the 1700s when the house was built.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyril wrote:
.... I never said anyone had met Robin Hood ....


Well, it's a good job Ian McKellen didn't meet him, because being stood next to a young man dressed in a little skirt and green tights would've been too much for Sir Ian to cope with and he'd have given Robin's bottom a sly stroke.
Robin would've been mortified by that sort of behaviour, in them days especially. He'd have reported Sir Ian to Friar Tuck, who would then have sent for the Sheriff of Wigan to arrest him. However, the Sheriff of Wigan would have to apply to the Sheriff of Nottingham for an arrest warrant. By the time the warrant arrived, by carrier pigeon, Sir Ian would've done a runner!

In any case, Robin Hood isn't real, but Ian McKellen is. In a way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, and he could well have suffered the same fate as Edward ll, he got a red hot poker up the fundament for liking men wearing green socks. Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooooooooh, Robin, tie me to a tree and tickle me with your feather!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll have Cadfael coming over all funny.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyril your auntie betty is on this photo from Frank Orrells collection of Crooke village

https://www.facebook.com/frankorrellphotography/photos/ms.c.eJw9kNkNRDEIAztaYW76b~_xpOfI5wkxMXLNELLIgKf7zZk2zJAMvu~;1Zy5aFmTXwOKzZLh~;jw~;o4O896ea7Zz2VIz6GbL~_r3g25~;~_sT5Dc1Ur1~_~;x~_ej6LnJ~_bznFefz6YO7RzvPdz9o~_sT9x~;hwvsTsv~;zcB~;sAIIZEmg~-~-.bps.a.648932768913917/648933485580512/?type=3&theater
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those Crooke boat rallies were very popular wasn't they, the pub would have welcomed the trade too, Tommy and Betty loved walking along the canal passing through Crooke to Gathurst and back, I'll pass the message on. Cheers Mick.

I seem to remember a shop opposite the pub, was there one at one time.

Mick, I've seen Betty this afternoon and showed her the photo, she remembers having it taken, those girls lived next door to her at the time and the one on the left now lives in Australia, she said they enjoyed the boat rallies and would go every time they was on. She was 85 the other day and still fit as a fiddle.
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