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BILL RYDER lived on a farm in newton . were young bill ryder and his sister marion was born they lived there for about 18 months and then they moved back to downhall green were owd bill was born in rectory road . raymond was born in rectory road. ken was born in booths brow road .. they moved on to wigan road . owd bill had a gym were he used to do boxing and ken used to stand at the window when he was about 4 watching them box it was at a pub in haydock . called Waggon and horses.. in a building at the back