People   (Re-unions, trace old friends and relatives.)

I looked at the Peter Lloyds in the 1841 census for Flintshire and there were quite a few, also three or four of a similar age to that of Peter. Of course, there would have been comings and goings between 1841 and 1847/49, but I just want to point out that it is a common name in Wales. Lloyds, Hughes, Roberts - they seem to be living in the same house or next to each other a lot of the time.

I don't know how old the Peter was who died in Holywell in 1847. You could, of course, order this death certificate and risk it being of no use. It should give the age and occupation of the deceased even at that time, but it also should give the name of the person who informed of the death. On the other hand, families tended to use the same handful of names. I don't know whether a "Benjamin" or a "William" would definitely refer to your line of the family.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no registration of the death of Peter Loyde/Lloyd in Scholes. Elizabeth should have done this as the children were too young, but she wasn't literate and perhaps did not know. He is only in the burial register of All Saints and no age is recorded, but the area is correct, and there doesn't seem to be another Peter Lloyd around that time in Wigan.

We know that Peter and Elizabeth married in 1839, that Benjamin was born in 1840 and William in 1843/44.All this happened in Flintshire and is documented. The 1851 census, in which Elizabeth is already a widow, shows a daughter aged 5. Ann was born in 1845 in the subdistrict of Deansgate and the maiden name of the mother is recorded as "Hughes" (lancashirebmd). So it is clear that the family was in Manchester in 1845. Then in 1848 a son called Robert was born. Again this is documented by a christening record and the registration with the maiden name Hughes. Peter is recorded as the father in 1848 with no indication that he is deceased. Little Robert dies in Wigan in 1849. The family must then have been in Wigan at this time. It is documented that Elizabeth was a widow by 1851 and in Wigan. It seems to me rather illogical that Peter went back to Flintshire to die in 1847 when his name is registered in Manchester in 1848, where we know that the family was, and in 1849 in Wigan, where little Robert died indicating that the family was in Wigan in 1849. I am sure that mygriffiths has the correct person. I looked to see whether a baby called Peter Lloyd was born/died at this time, but this was not the case.

If I were you, agertsch, I would buy the death certificate from the last quarter of 1847 in Holywell, Flintshire. At the moment, I don't see any other possibility of clarifying the matter. And even this might not be definitive.

Linda

PS Benjamin seems to have signed his name at his marriage. At any rate, it is not followed by a cross.