General   (General discussion, talk about anything.)

TWO YEARS BEFORE THE MAST I SAY.let them swing around the yard arms before breakfast.let them dangle from the crosstrees with a paint brush before lunch.at some point they can look up at their work for the day, and feel a sense of acheivement.aint that the problem with todays society??everything is given to them on a plate.they can argue chapter and verse, as to what is their rights, without once breaking out into a sweat.a days tank cleaning on some old freighter would make them appreciate the value of money, especialy when they have to earn it themselves.