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Either end of St Pauls Ave
Started by: Perkin Warbeck (1456)  Report abuse
Interesting to note that there are two English Heritage Grade 2 listed buildings in St Pauls Avenue.

St Pauls registered in 1983 and St Judes in 2013.

Anyone got a view on the architecture and are there other buildings in the Worsley Mesnes area worthy of historic status?

Posted by: sir bob (7084)  Report abuse
Original Ben Johnson Pub building

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
Sir bob, is the original Ben Johnson pub on the opposite corner to where it is now.

Posted by: spacebar (535) Report abuse
MarieM, the answer to your question is in this thread; Ben Jonson

NB Note the spelling too!

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
Thanks spacebar. I wonder why they changed to the other side of the road. I remember reading somewhere that all that area was once in Pemberton.

Posted by: beep54 (1022) Report abuse
the thing they have in Common, MONEY

Posted by: Perkin Warbeck (1456)  Report abuse

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
Perkin, do you know why they changed the Ben Johnson to the other side of the street.

Posted by: Perkin Warbeck (1456)  Report abuse
Hi Marie,

Are these the buildings that you presume to be the old Ben Jonson? These are both Grade 2 listed buildings, there is no reference to any of the buildings being a pub.

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
Perkin, Thank you. It was something I was told.

Posted by: gemfree (inactive) Report abuse
the two cottages across from the Ben Johnson, 706 has Ben Johnson and I think Walkers Ales painted on the side its very faded but you can see it..just

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
gemfree, I have noticed that. Perkin, why would they have Ben Jonson and Walkers Ales on a private cottage.

Posted by: gaffer (6334)   Report abuse
The 1928 map shows the current location of the Ben Johnson. The 1896 map locates it farther north.

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3068)  Report abuse
I think it proves our planner's are bonkers, who in their right mind would declare ST.JUDES a listed building, just a mass of concrete .

Posted by: lapis lazuli (inactive) Report abuse
They should restore the old painted billboard signs.

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
I would love to know why it says ben Jonson and walkrs ales on the cottage opposite the Ben Jonson

Posted by: Perkin Warbeck (1456)  Report abuse

It wasn't the council that had it listed, it was the Modernist Society (Manchester Branch)

Posted by: jo anne (32703)   Report abuse
Manchester Modernist Society - St Jude's Link

I have to disagree with you there, Golden Bear, I think the concrete & stained glass windows of St Jude's together create a fantastic building. I like to think it's Wigan's version of the Metropolitan Cathedral of Liverpool, which I also love.

Posted by: MarieM (5563) Report abuse
Nobody has answered my question. Why does it say Ben Jonson and Walkers Ales on the cottages on the other side of the road from the Ben Jonson. I would love to know.

Posted by: gaffer (6334)   Report abuse
Marie M

If you look at the outline of the pub on this 1849 map you can see that it fits that of the stone cottages adjacent to what is now the Ben Johnson.
This suggests that the stone cottages were the original Ben Johnson hence the advertising on the southern end wall.

Marie M

Posted by: tonker (21353)   Report abuse
The original Ben Johnson was a Pembertons Brewery inn.
When Pemberton's was taken over by Walker's, they extended it (the brick extension, with the 'Walkers Ales' on the side).
Then it was bought off Walker's by Oldfield's brewery.
Oldfield's Brewery had the new Ben Jonson built in 1901 / 1902.



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