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My Model Railway / Saving WIgan
Started by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all, my hobby is modelling railways that is a model of Wigan Wallgate station area and approaches set in the early 50's. Still very much in the early stages as the photo's show.





But any comments, help, corrections etc more than welcome.
Kevan

Posted by: veg grower (inactive) Report abuse
Kevan - thats great, I look forward to seeing how that develops.

Have you bought that as a whole kit? I wasn't aware you could buy kits for individual stations.

Posted by: dostaf (inactive) Report abuse
Impressive stuff.

Coops is certinly recognisable.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks guys, glad you can recognize my offering. All of the buildings will have to be built from scratch using photos etc. Coops involved a lot of 'Gimping' ( a program like photoshop! )of a photo of Coops, many hours work cutting and pasting. Many many more hours to go building up a 3D model by layering multiple copies over each other. Part of it has been printed as a draft hence the pale look. Most of the buildings along King St West have been given the same treatment to less a degree currently. The station building I started on about 25years ago (this is my third attemp due to house moving, NO B More!)
I intend modelling from Pagefield Ironworks to the Gas works with varying degrees of 'Modellers Licence' invoked (Like poetic licence but more physical )
Hope to post a link to the full story shortly

Cheers
Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Looking Good Kevan, What Gauge is it.

Posted by: dostaf (inactive) Report abuse
Was just thinking about the gauge, and how much room you'd neeed to do a full representation from the ironworks to the gasworks. That's without the artistic licence, of course.

I'm impressed that the images are Kevan's own work, rather than 'shop bought'.

Keep us updated.

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Excellent. Will look brill when finished.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks all for the positive comments, as it says in the heading "/Saving Wigan", hopefully I can achieve the desired outcome with a snapshot of Wigan in the early fifties.
The layout is built to 4mm/foot scale ( Hornby trains size ) and it is being built in a room approx 20 square,which is probably about the minimum needed to get it in.Even so modellers Licence had to be invoked with Dr Beeching removing the lines through Pemberton and the Southport line turning left not right under the West coast mainline. Trying to figure a way of getting Prescot st shed represented as a visit to that with my Grandpa Mason in the mid`late 50's is probably where this all comes from.
King st will have to be on a large sweeping curve, sorry but to lay this out accuratly I would need a room about 50' wide, having said that the WCML to Wallgate to Chapel Lane arre not far short of true scale hence the required 'bending' of the subject.

Pic 'looking up Wallgate'the empty space in the r/h corner is where King St will curve around


Looking over Chapel Lane with the original Gasworks Retort House in the distance.
Careful here as trains running to Manchester currently run into a Plasterboard obstruction on the line.
The centre of the room is occupied by an 8' x 4' table that my wife and I share ( 75/25% ) several evenings a week, Deb turns out some award winning Paper Tole works like this in progress print of the Tigers

Each frond of the ferns etc is cut formed and attached seperately, she intends to enhance the tiger's fur by tiny cuts between individual strands!
Cheers
Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Kevan Did You not consider N Gauge.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Cindy, I did consider changing over to N gauge for a while but the advantage of twice as much room to work in was eclipsed by the cost of replacing all of the trains, rolling stock, track etc and primarily by my eyes and thumbs no longer being up to the job

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Cracking job, Kevan. keep us posted.

Posted by: mavis (1043) Report abuse
Cracking post Kevan, wish I had the patience and know how to do what Deb does, looks really interesting, will keep watching how the tigers turn out, please keep posting.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Aww you guys
Mac I will update whenever I seem to have made some progress, though sometimes going is rather slow and at other times backwards. A couple of 'frinstances' I have maps and photos that show significant changes in regard to the what was I presume the large goods shed that was between King St and the lines from Wallgate stn adjacent to Chapel lane. I know there was a shed with 'Fyffes' on the side but the other one is shown on maps and in a couple of photos as having a twin pitched roof (non technical term) with one being much longer than the other then half of it is not there but an open air platfrom is. The other problem tendds to be due to using mainly b&w older photos it is annoying to find half way through construction that the build was red brick not brown!

Mavis I will try to get Deb moving on the Tigers but again that tends to take a fair while ( months ) to complete. Unfortunately photos of Paper Tole never do the subject justice as you lose the depth of field (I know what I mean)
Google Paper Tole

Help wanted: Can anybody identify the proprieters(?) of the row of shops opposite Wallgate Station say around the mid 50's ??? please.

Kevan

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Good man, Kevan. If you look at the top of this pagem you will see a text box. Type Wallgate station (or similar) in there and LOTS of pictures will automagically appear. Hope the photo you want is amongst them.

Posted by: kathpressey (3974)  Report abuse
that's an epic project!

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Kevan great project I wish you well. Can't wait to see how it progresses

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Mac I conjured up the pics as you said, I think Isherwood's Shoes was the only one shown in the group. These photos were taken late 70's early 80's on one of my parents trips back home.






Perhaps I should post them in Album as well, but if anyone can remember who or what these shops were in the 50's I would greatly appreciate it.
Kp and cllr GF yes it is a bit of a project but as I slow down in life hopefully I will have more time to play trains

Mind you it's not as big a project as the guy doing Birmingham New St.
Cheers for now
Kevan

Posted by: kathpressey (3974)  Report abuse
Helen Rowe was there in the 50's because my auntie worked there.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
one down

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Excellent pics, Kevan.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Thinking back Kevan the frontage on the Goods shed at the Chapel Lane end Were they not stone? Has regards to Gauge I understand what You mean, When I started to Build My Wigan Central layout I was lucky to able to start from scratch, The Station is built to exact Scale & the whole station From the Blocks to the Station throat, In N gauge is 6 feet To have done this in 00 would have taken too much room. Anyway keep us posted.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
cindy the couple of photos I have (courtesy WW ) of the Chapel Lane goods shed(s) all appear to show brickwork, although I have been unable to find anything showing the end facing Chapel lane itself.
I was fortunate to get a number of photo copies from the history shop of various structures within the Gasworks,including intial construction of the new much bigger retort house, but none looking toward chapel lane sadly.
Anyway, where's the pic's of Wigan Central then?? come on,let's be having you
Come on folks more info on Wallgate shops as shown above, Please

Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Kevan I asume You have all the photos You need of Wigan Wallgate Station, As there have been Quite a lot on ebay the last month or so B/W of course.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
9f at wigan central wigan central goodsSorry about the poor quality I am No David Bailey when it comes to photography

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
How long have you been working on your layout cindy? it's obviously farther advanced than Wallgate. I did consider Central station a few years ago but sometimes I like to sit back and 'watch the trains go by'.
Progress here has been slow due to having to restart after moving house (again) but staying put now!!!!! I have only recently joined the two ends of the main line up and have just outlayed cash on going over to DCC control so hopefully I will get trains running through the timber and cardboard wilderness shortly.
Now about those shops people............
Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Kevan worked on it for a few years then took a break. As regards to watching the trains go by, I did think at one stage (Modellers Licence)of Joining Wigan Central up as a roundy roundy WHEN I get to the end of it, But I have only just got to the Canal Bridge at Ince Here I have used a brick Viaduct which I took of another Layout that was Scrapped (once again Modellers Licence)
Next stage is the turntable on the other side of the Canal then under the Lancy Yorky Railway, Then Lower Ince M.P.D.

Posted by: piccyme123 (1395) Report abuse
wow !!!!!! what talented folk you are they are amazing, but, I have to show my ignorance sozzz, but what is Paper Tole work ???? never heard of it before,
as for Tigers my favourite wild animal awesome

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks piccyme, Paper Tole is basically an art form in itself utilizing multiple copies of one photo. Deb spends a considerable time just looking at the original photo before starting work. A complete copy is glued to a base of cardboard (or similar ) and then starting form what she perceives as the subject closest to the horizon she starts to build up a 3D image by layering multiple copies of each subject usually seperated by 1 - 2 mm. It is difficult to see the depth of the work in a photo but in the Tigers photo the trees in the top r/h corner have only a single layer attached whereas the ferns on the left have been built up in multiple layers of individual fronds.
Some of her work takes months to complete ( and she calls me mad! )I'll see if we have a couple of pics of other examples.
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Found these 2 photos, the second one shows the many layers used to build up this work.





You can see the layers particularly on the fairy in the lower l/h corner

Quite proud of the First Place at the Royal Adelaide Show which is a big event here in September.
Kevan








Posted by: piccyme123 (1395) Report abuse
and again Stunning is Not a good enough word. they really are Amazingly Beautiful. please Congrat her for me

just a little change of subject, i was a Taylor in my childhood, before i married, Surname i mean are you a Taylor also sozzzz don't mean to pry,

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
I will pass your message on to Deb thank you and yes Piccyme, been a Taylor all my life, Born to James Alan Taylor and Doreen Taylor (nee Mason) from Pagefield St off Gidlow Lane in 1954.We emigrated to South Aust in 1964, mum still lives in the house they bought then but now in a 'granny flat' following my father passing away coming up 5 yrs ago. Deb and I did the extension for her and we moved into the house, hence the restart(again) to building Wigan Wallgate. Not prying at all, came across a guy on here last year whose great aunt was married to my great uncle. at one stage his mother lived in the same house that I was born in.
Mum knew some of the family but didn't realise that there was a connection. Small world

Kevan

Posted by: piccyme123 (1395) Report abuse
hi taylor, thanks for your info, my dad.s family were from Ince, and my dad was born in the Top Lock area. may I ask if Debs is ok with it, I would love to see more of her stunning masterpeaces, but, if she likes to keep them private I do understand.

Posted by: orrellite (2187) Report abuse
taylork54, how could you leave Winnards pies behind?
I have a recollection that there was a Billy and Barry Taylor living in Pagefield Street at that time,ring any bells ?

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
piccy' I'll have to see what we can find, maybe I'll have to start her own Post? Unfortunately they don't photograph very well, loss of 3D depth as I have said.Deb recently sold one that she had done of Winnie the Pooh and friends in the snow for several hundred dollars !!!! . The chap that bought it also wants one of Outback Australia doing but that will probably be several months away.
orrelite,spoke to mum about Billy and Barry Taylor, no relation but apparently lived about 4 houses down from my clan (Uncles Jack,Gordon and Ken and Aunties Phyllis and Joan )
We lived in Coniston ave at Orrel just prior to coming out here in '64 in 1980 and 2005 I had a meat and potato pie from the little bakery at the top of Broxton ave, smelt them as we got off the bus at Orrel Post and dragged the wife over there, 15 then 25 years between bites but just the same

Posted by: orrellite (2187) Report abuse
unfortunately Orrell bakehouse closed a few years ago was really forced out of business by the new landlords,who own too much of Orrell IMO, who once it had close opened a take away Pizza place like their roots in their old country, however I think it has now closed or is about to do so.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse

This is a photo of My Wigan Central Layout took some years ago in the early stages.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all, has somebody sped the clocks up do you know? Time is galloping! Modelling interrupted a bit by moving Deb's daughter and two little ones to a new house. How does anybody gather so much stuff in such a short while ?

Work progressing slowly on several fronts here's a couple of hopefully recognizeable places.


Uncle Joes is being built from actual photos, ( the large round shiny object is not a new line of sweet but a magnet helping to hold the two parts together.



I have several different photos of the exterior of Addisons Wines showing brickwork, render and back to bricks again! I opted for the brickwork based on the photo of Isherwoods shoes with the set of shelves (?) up on the awning ( that will make a nice little cameo!) as the period looks about right.
If anyone happens to pop into Addisons / Derby's ask em if you can take a general photo of the interior layout for me, because this building is right on the front edge of the layout I will have to make a reasonable attempt at the interior. (If they look at you funny like don't try to explain, I'll try myself in Oct. when I'll be in Wigan for a few days )
Until then I'll have to leave the top floor removeable I guess.

Cheers
Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
looking Great kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Cindy, are you still working on Central? I seem to be spending more time browsing through photos than I am actually building things! My new DCC controller turned up a few weeks ago, I haven't even plugged the thing in yet! better do it soon or Deb will be wondering why I bought it
'Nother update soon

Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Kevan Not doing anything at the present time, Been busy doing O Gauge railway loco's Wagons Etc up for EBay.Once Ive sold the O Gauge stuff,I have a OO Layout to sell & OO rolling stock, Hopefully Then I can get back to working on Wigan Central. Anyway Keep the photo's coming.

Posted by: kathpressey (3974)  Report abuse
i love the Uncle Joes factory!

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Superb. Well done to both.

Posted by: dustaf (inactive) Report abuse
Belting updates.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Me to Kath AAAHM Slaverin Here Thinkin about them

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Any more pics and updates on the new layout?

Posted by: kathpressey (3974)  Report abuse
that's a good word Slavver!

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Another photo of My Wigan Central layout taken some years ago,This is looking down The station Throat.

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Taylor, any more updates?

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Sadly not much progress to report Gareth,have been sidetracked recently playing with a couple of new toys. One is a new controller for the trains which like many things these days is wireless. This now allows me to wander around the room or sit at the modelling table and still be able to control the trains ( that is when I get the trackworck and wiring sorted out ! )
The other toy is a "Plotter Cutter" which looks like a printer but actually cuts out designs for you. Cutting out all the windows for Coops wasn't something I was looking forward to (If you'd seen me wielding a scalpel the plotter is a much safer prospect )
I just tried to upload a couple of pics to Photobucket but it appears to be sulking about something so I will try again later.
The plotter has successfully cut out the framework of the panelling that the platform buildings used to feature. See Item #: 23556 about 2/3 of the way down page 2 of Album "Wallgate Station"
Other sidetrack involved bringing in exterminators to treat the property for Termites / White Ants AAAAARRRRRRRGH. $2000 I really needed to spend( need an armed guard for the train room now !!! )

Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Photobucket seems to have got over it's sulking from yesterday and let me upload some pics. So

This fret would have taken me about a week to cut out (including time to buy more plasters,knife blades etc etc )
The cutter did it in about 15mins.The small holes are about 3 x 4mm each and there are 5 buildings to do in total which would each need 2 frets per wall to represent the timbered frames.
I have also finally found a suitable representation of cobblestones /setts for various streets, back lanes etc



A plaster casting from a Silicon Mould made in Ireland somewhere, so several dozen of these should see me right.
I dunno carpenter, plasterer, glazier, Av ne'er wuked s'ard.
Progress still a bit slow but now that the winter rains have arrived the garden will have to take a back seat. Will update soon.

Kevan

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
Kevan This is really impressive and by cindy and Deb as well. Those pictures are amazing. I wish we could see them in all their glory.

Posted by: tonker (18706)   Report abuse
To make the project more authentic it should include a model of Pemps, complete with Barbara, sat outside in her car, watching the door!

Posted by: joseph 1 (inactive) Report abuse
Excellent work, Kevan.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Tonker, the building that was Pemps will certainly be there however with me aiming for an early fifties time frame I think the Bolshie would be more fitting.(Perhaps two shifty looking types in black suits sitting in a black car.)
Ha, thought I'd Google up a photo, but all I got was several dozen smouldering photos of Anna Chapman
Cheers all
Kevan

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
kevan Don't take any notice of Tonker. He is a Sen Telliner, because they don't have a website there he has to cause bother on here

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Coming along nicely, Kevan.

Posted by: fred mason (2600)   Report abuse
Great idea, kevan.

I actually thought about doing the same thing with Wigan Wallgate and going through to Southport until I calculated the room needed...about a quarter of a mile of indoor track....

I guess n guage would be better but still a lot of room needed.

Great photos from all.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Fred, I am very fortunate to have a 20' x 20 ' room available for this layout which will let me get from Pagefield Iron Works (Walker Bros.) to the Gas works in reasonable accuracy ( If you allow enough modellers licence for the two 90deg bends at either end of the station.) I have just been doing some early test running through the bare cardboard wilderness that is the station area, I was pleased with the look of a Black 5 and 7 carriages passing through from Southport to Manchester, might experiment with the video camera see if I can get something on here.
Kevan

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Kevan, this is amazing, so jealous.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thank you Gareth, glad you like, actually you can be impressed, happy even thankful ( that this part of 50's Wigan wont change ) but don't be jealous, I'm not here to inflict that emotion!
Help if you want eg. what was the interior layout of this building like in the fifties ?



This is only the first section of Coops that is in a fit state to photograph, but as it does kinda dominate the skyline and as I've managed to get the clear windows and frames fitted I suppose some sort of interior would be required. I'm coming home for a few days in late Oct. so if anyone see's someone with an Auswiganese accent taking photos in strange places it's probably me.

Cheers
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Don't computers and printers do strange things, I've just noticed the colour of the stone at the base of Coops, I'm sure it was brown when I started out. Mumble mumble......

K

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all, It's sodding freezing here in Adelaide, but at least it's too cold to work in the garden..... might as well work on the railway
Just posted a couple of pics on the progress of Coops in message board / places. I trying to get some help with the layout of the inside of the place nothing too detailed just a general idea of what could be seen through the windows from a little way away.




Still several layers to be added to the outside to increase the 3D appearance of the brickwork,windows and embelishments.
Looking forward to seeing the place in the flesh so to speak in mid /late October whn I 'll probably spend some time going through the History shops archives. Got some wonderful info on the Gas Works and Pagefield Ironworks on my last trip home a few years ago.
Cheers see you soon
Kevan

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
Brilliant. An eye for detail.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Mac, although sometimes that can be a hindrance to progress as I spend ages on getting something right. But as mi dad said "If tha's goint do owt tha ma'swell do it reet," contradicted by my mum's " Kevan,a man on a galloping 'orse wouldn't see it!" No wonder I'm confused!
Hence my request for help in cladding out the interior of the building whilst at the same time wondering if anyone would be able to see through the windows into the building anyway........Arrrgh Still I'll know it's right even if the horseman can't see it.

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
No, Kevan, the windows are above head height.

Bad news I'm afraid, the Horse died.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse

Can anyone help Me to identify the make of this loco, Its a 3 rail 0 gauge, the only marking on it is between the pickups which says Foreign.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Bumped up for Help.

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
Cullie will know.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
MarieM Who is Cullie.

Posted by: mache (inactive) Report abuse
See your request post

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
cindy He knows everything about the Railways and he posts on here regularly.

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Kevan, get picks love this project and when it's finished I guess we can all jump on the WW jumbo and come over for the grand opening.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Gareth,I'm jumping on one of those myself in about 5 weeks time shall be in Wigan from the 20th Oct for about a week (except on Wed 23rd when I have a ticket for the steam hauled Cumbrian Express from Preston upto Carlisle and back. (Actually I board at Crewe, but I think that's Only Diesel hauled, sorry Cullie )Got a bit of info gathering to do and some grandparents graves to find and visit but I wouldn't mind catching up with a few people off here for a chat if there's any takers.
Cindy can't help you with your quest I'm afraid, what a bright thing to put on the bottom " Foreign" I ask you!
Kevan

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Not sure if you could fit it in but maybe a WW party for you and Beer should be in order

Posted by: Anne (2885)  Report abuse
An uncle of mine was into model trains (cindy will know who I mean) I was fascinated watching him use a wheel type gadget to make impressions in soft balsa of brickwork. He had several of these wheels so as to make different sized brick/stone work. Then painted always looked good.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Anne, haven't seen an actual one of those wheely things but I have seen the outcome and very nice it looked too.
I started a building once many years ago using the little card punchings from the time cards at work stuck on as bricks, looked good too but even the guy that supplied them who was also a modeller looked at me like i'd gone off

Gareth mmmmmmmm Beer, some degree of flexibility built into the week I'm there Hmmmmm.

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Anyone up for a WW World beer with Kevan the week he's over? I am Kevan either way. Beer

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Gareth, look forward to having a drink how would Thurs 24th suit, can't do the Wed. as I have the steam train ride up to Carlisle. Anyway an email to debnkev.taylor@gmail.com will probably be the way to contact as I'm bringing my laptop with me to keep in touch with Adelaide.
Kev.

Posted by: veg grower (inactive) Report abuse
Fascinating thread this.

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
Taylor Thurs 24th sounds good. Let me know where about and hope other WiganWorlders can pop down for a WW beer too.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Gareth, I should be staying with an old family friend in Douglas Bank Drive, but as the rate of pub closure's appears to be outstripping my visits I am open to suggestions of venue
How about it readers anyone else interested in a chat over a couple?

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Anne Yes I knew Your Uncle Don,(Fantastic artist) He knew that I was building a layout based on Wigan Central & this is a photocopy of The Wigan Central Painting that he did, Once again appologies for poor photo as said before I Am No David Bailey.

Posted by: Anne (2885)  Report abuse
Cindy.... I think one of my favourites is the one of the railwayman walking along the track, back view, not as detailed as his others but very effective. Have you seen that one?

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Anne dont think I have Only other beside the Wigan Central one was I think a Black 5 At Boars Head.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Just over 24 hours to me boarding for the long haul home. Should be in Wigan by Sunday afternoon

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1082) Report abuse
Just out of curiosity - I live in New Zealand, but I have a model Steam Locomotive made by my grandfather in Orrell in 1908.
It is 3 and a quarter inch gauge, 0-4-4 side tank engine. I have never seen it working, but my late father told me that when he was a lad, it was set up on a rail track and could pull a rail wagon which he sat on.
My question is, what would I expect it to sell for ?

Posted by: Mac (inactive) Report abuse
How did the visit go, Kevan, still here or gone back yet?

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Mac,
the visit is just about wrapped up, quite successful from the things that I wanted to do plus managed to achieve one or two extra things.
I arrived last Sunday at 12:25pm courtesy of Richard Branson and went directly to the Subscription Bowling club where Ken H. the family friend I was staying with had a most interesting function organized ( NOT for my benefit I might add ) that included several ex Wigan R L players who regaled us with tales from the 1965 Cup match against Hunslet. Several most helpful people at the History shop and at the Bereavement Services office helped me to trace the whereabouts of my maternal Grandparents graves. Thank you all concerned.
Caught up with my cousin Jim, we worked out our last time together was around 1958. The Brockett didn't stay open long enough for us to finish the chat.
A couple of downsides, it's time someone felled the trees etc in some of the roof gutters around town don't you think before they do any more damage.
Went on the Cumbrian mountain railtour on Wed. Galatea disgraced herself by topping Shap at a paltry 12mph. I know because the man sitting opposite was timing it between 1/4 mile posts all the way up to Carlisle!!!!! AAaaarrrrgh talked incessantly from Crewe , took a breath between Warrington and Wigan and I though another near Preston. Such dedication currently in Harrogate but heading for Cardiff via Wigan tomorrow.
I wasn't going to mention the weather but............

Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi everyone, Merry Christmas to you all. Not much of an update I fear but I thought I had better at least write something as I watch the ' viewed no. increasing steadily.
It has been a particularly non- productive couple of months, between visiting Wigan, building a veranda and decking out the back here and hosting a couple of relatives for a fortnight it has taken what spare time I could muster to keep the dust off the layout!
Anyway I am intending to wangle a few days here and there over my 3 week xmas break to get on with some railway work. In particular getting the track wiring done to get some trains running. I have instructions to get "Cardiff Castle" on video from one of my Welsh inlaws. I purchased it in Cardiff whilst over there, my wife had said that she couldn't see any Welsh coal wagons in the sidings! I told her we had enough of our own and didn't need theirs. Anyway CC will make a detoured appearance occasionally on a football special or something ( perhaps bring Billy B up to Wigan to play ? )
Hopefully a better update soon.
Cheers all
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hello everybody, sorry to all those following this for the lack of updates keep getting sidetracked. The main activity on the layout has involved sitting underneath the boards trying not to burn myself with dripping hot solder while attaching feed wires to the tracks.
That has taken sometime but I can now at least run trains around the main line
Bad habit of mine is to have about 6 different projects on the go at once and not finishing any of them fully,( must try to get out of that)however hopefully the latest pic. is recognizeable to 'older' readers as it doesn't look like this now in real life.



had to do a lot of estimating etc to get what I think is roughly the right size.


Very much a "work in progress" I'm afraid but the drawing for the other half with the different pattern lattice is well under way.
Hopefully if I can figure out how to attach a video I will try to get something up showing the whole layout with trains running.
All for now, Thanks for all those interested to obviously keeping checking for progress, I'll keep trying
Keep you feet dry
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Oops, try this one.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all, thought I'd better try and update the few evident changes.
Firstly I'm still working on the Iron Bridge, however I have also been bobbing up all over the layout doing a bit of wiring, researching and working on additional buildings all over the place from John Woods Eng. site and the council cleansing depot off Frog lane to the Victoria Hotel on Wallgate. None of which I have got anywhere near finishing but they are all progressing, albeit slowly.



The front of the Victoria Hotel, NOW the question, prior to the ghastly colour it is now can anyone recall the colour of the front wall and the window frames in the late 40's early 50's ????



The front section with a loose section of the framing that I have stained brownish at one end and a creamy colour nearer the station end. Any thoughts anyone???

And now for something different, a " Where was I when I saw this fine example of the brickies trade ????

[image="http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y462/wigankat/IMGP0210a_zps6ae23699.jpg"][/img]

Yes it is in Wigan!

If you think I should have posted this elsewhere let me know,
Colour of the Victoria, please !!!

Regards
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hmm what happened to the Where am I, Try again witless.


Kev.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Somewere in ABRAM

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Sorry Cindy, nowhere near Abram, somewhat closer to the building I am asking about. Nice assortment of stone / brickwork though, don't you think ? In a functioning (??) wall
Kev

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Taylor why is the ABRAM Stone in it.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Dunno Cindy, maybe like the rest of the wall it was just lying about when somebody decided to stick it all together.
Anyway, down the laneway between Wallgate station and the Victoria Hotel, at the bottom next to the blue brick wall. That's if they haven't knocked it down yet.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Does seem strange The trouble someone went to carving ABRAM in stone & it finishing up there.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
And very neatly carved, shame about the wall though eh?

Posted by: cllr gareth fairhurst (5394) Report abuse
It will look great when it's finish.

Posted by: veg grower (inactive) Report abuse
That 'ABRAM' brick looks like it may have been the end of a section of worded bricks as there is a full stop after ABRAM.

Great thread!

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Gareth, haven't seen you on here for a while ( well this bit anyway) all better(ish) now I trust.
Veg. Hadn't noticed the full stop actually, but I think you're right,just managed to find my original photo of that section which confirms a definite full stop. The Thick plotens methinks. Same thing with the stone with the lines carved in it, I wonder where they're from / why where they there?
I wont quite be modelling that bit anyway so it merely remains a curiosity
Kevan

Posted by: winder (1293)  Report abuse
Kevan, I used to go train spotting down the side of Wallgate station in the 50s early 60s and I seem to remember a showroom for grave stones and monuments being down there.
So, the Abram stone could have been for a grave.

I've looked on the old street directories but found nothing, but I'm sure there was something down there.

Keep us updated on your progress your doing a great job.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Winder, apparently Middleton & Woods Stonemasons was down there according to a thread fro 2007 '16 - 18 Wallgate ,Wigan.

I have photos that I may have got off WW showing the stained glass windows of this building from the inside and they are all saved as 'Stone Masons'.
Unfortunately the "Abram " photo is the only bit left of several photos I took in this area last year, due to the failure of the memory card in my camera I lost quite a bit
Must finish off several of the buildings I have started lately including the Council Depot building on Frog Lane
Kevan

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2499)  Report abuse
THE PHOTO ABOVE IS THE GINNEL DOWN SIDE THE VICTORIA/WIGAN WALLGATE STATION,USED TO PARK MY CAR AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PLACE.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Kevan Any Updates on the layout.

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
Golden Bear What's that building on the right nearest the camera.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all, Cindy unfortunately progress has been a bit slow of late as Deb and I try to finish off the various house and garden projects to make the place presentable for our up coming wedding on 11th oct. (I figure after 14 yrs we should ) So if any of you are not busy that afternoon either come on over or raise a glass to the Bride and Groom.
I have been carrying on with some of the buildings including the Victoria and now the Station Booking Hall but info from the 40- 50's era is getting a bit sparse now although the buildings are largely unchanged.
I have also been fitting DCC decoders to some of the loco's and getting things up and running / ironing out faults as I go. My son and his family are coming over from Perth (WA) so the line had better be running or my grandson will want to why.
When I figure it out I'll try to post a video with train sound running through Wallgate.

Marie,I believe the building you are asking about was Middleton & Woods's Headstone shop.

Cheers all, will try to update soon when I've achieved something

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Blimey is it that time already,to all those that have kept dropping in for a look thanks and I am sorry for not updating the thread before now, we have been a little busy!
Having got the back garden finished we got through the wedding without any problems ! Grandchild # 9 popped out the week before rather than on the day, thanks Emily, Mum got diagnosed with Parkinsons early Nov. then decided that wasn't good enough and she had to have a battle with Ovarian C. Arrrgh, My daughter invited people to a thirtieth birthday / engagement party in March but they snuck a wedding celebrant into the mix around the time that #10 arrived ( I have given up with names ). Mum got the all clear at the end of July ( Hip Hip .....) August arrived and I thought there's a model railway around here somewhere best I find it and get on with life I think, # 11 has just arrived ( No we are not related to rabbits )
ANYWAY, Progress as you might guess has been a little slow however I offer a couple of not quite finished structures for comment, I did want to have gotten most of the shops around the station done and in place before I posted but as the Scots say 'The best laid plans etc.....'



and



I havent got the two shoppers watching the proceedings as yet ( see Wiganworld Album photo )they will appear when the building and the footpath get their final position.
Had a hell of a time trying to find suitable photos of Bendix washing m/c's etc, and I now have several unfortunate souls without the lower half of their legs / boots that now ordain Isherwood's window.
Hopefully I can now update sooner rather than later in future.
Cheers ,Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Thanks for the update Kevan.

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
Yes, thanks indeed. I had been wondering how you were getting on with it.

Good luck with the remainder of your task.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks for the support Cindy & Priscus and all those who drop in for a look.
Now it's question time folks,
I have numerous buildings on the go at any one time at the moment, currently working on Hellers Furniture store Wallgate / King St West and while I am pretty well ok with Hellers the premises under the same roof as Hellers and adjacent to the 'Alliance Chambers' (??) is a bit vague.
I have good detail of the building from about 1978 onwards, when it was "M A S Sales" but have no idea what / who was there in the late 40's ~ early 50's




If anyone has any ideas or knows who might,I would appreciate the Info.
In the meantime a bit of furniture in Hellers

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all, Seasons Greetings to everyone ( belatedly, but I'm a long way away )
Well between Xmas and New Year, moving my son and his family back home from Perth W.A. 45 deg days then twice the average rainfall for January in a couple of days it's been a busy start to 2016.
In between all that I have been pressing on with a few buildings. So a few pictures
First up having determined that the shop I was asking about was Middleton & Woods I had to guess wildly at how it would have appeared so along with Hellers I hope it's somewhere close.




In my usual manner I get to a point with each building then want to move on to the next before finishing anything!! Anyway, I have been on the other side of Wallgate in the last week or so getting some ides what the back of King St will look like.







As you can see , lots of roofless buildings, the King St ones are merely single layer prints on foamboard carcasses to assess appearance and layout.
Several of them are built from actual photos of the building having spent considerable time on the computer cut, pasting, squaring up etc.
One or two involved a fair bit of guesswork as the only pics avail were b&w,long distance or aerial shots. Anyway given that I have had to bend King St rather more than somewhat I don't think this area looks too bad.

Deb and I are having a fairly major clean up in the room at the moment as it was well past looking like a bomb had gone off in here. Besides it looks like being in the mid 30's all week so gardening is off the agenda we may as well be in here.

Cheers for now
Kevan

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
Taylor, what a wonderful project you are doing. Will we be able to see it anywhere.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
You are most welcome to come and have a look Marie, if you are ever in Adelaide in South Australia. Unfortunately it's a bit awkward to take on the exhibition circuit, so I guess it's for local 'visitors' only

Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all,
Still busy around King St at the moment, having a bit of a problem with suitable photos for use as buildings,also the photos I have taken of the models appear to be varying in quality!However the ones in these photos wouldn't normally be seen in all there glory, the rest of King St being in the way. Even though the photo is rubbish I am quite pleased with the way Grimes' Arcade turned out



Particularly the view out of the back of the arcade ( a b&w shot that I'm sure I stole off Wiganworld, sorry but I can't remember whose it is ) So who ever you are / were thankyou for contributing.

The other building that caused me a lot of problems seems to have featured many times in Message board discussions as to exactly the entrance(s) etc to the Bodega where located. However other than the photo of the corner of the building with the Horse drawn Funeral Carriages No-One has ever taken a photo of the front ! As such while the top two floors are actual photos of the building the ground floor is completely from imagination / photos of a Bodega Hotel in Newcastle. So if anyone knows any different SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. Before I glue it all together



It was while looking for the Bodega that I discovered the Methodist Church on the site next door that was replaced by Tesco's. Again basically bugger all photos exist of the church except a couple of ariel shots from afar or a small portion of a corner.



Then a miracle



Other than the windows being slightly different on the front! And where is it? I hear to ask in joy!
Bolton! alive and well and I can got quite clear shots of it from Google Street view ( SHHHH!)

SO must get on with more of the same and even a few rooves(?) I think, It's going to be around 36-38 deg all weekend, far to hot to venture into the garden don't you think?

Be back soon

Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
You certainly got an eye for detail Kevan,Will be Gr-e-a-t When it comes Together.

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
Did the Bodega Bar have a frontage?

I can only recall entering it from the stairwell adjacent to the side entrance: guess someone will correct me if that is not the case.

If my memory is correct, the front entrance was primarily to the offices contained within the building.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Dont think it did, The Bodega was on the left of the king of clubs

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
I have a mental image of an illuminated yellow sign saying 'Bodega', and people sitting drinking on the steps leading down to it. So long ago, and I think I only went there a couple of times.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all,
I have held off on progressing The Bodega frontage any further ( ie gluing it together ) in case I needed to rework anything and by the sounds of it priscus and cindy I apparently need to. Which is a shame really as it looks quite nice like it is.
The sign you mention priscus I think is the one on the corner of the building that is shown in the photo featuring the horse drawn funeral carriages outside the Methodist Church.
Am I right then in assuming the entrance was actually in College Ave.
Wish I could find a photo of the building front from pre 1950.
Oh well, I'll have a fiddle.
In the mean time I carried on with the Methodist Church and a portion of the Royal Court THeatre / Cinema, usual disclaimer " neither are finished "




The space to fit all the Royal Court ran out, I tried once before to have half of a building in 3D and the other half on the back scene, unfortunately 'perspective ' kept raising it's head and while it didn't look bad viewed from one direction it looked rather odd from the rest of the room.

As they say "If at first you don't succeed, hide the evidence that you even tried !"

Cheers
Kev

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
Impressive stuff!

Yes, I believe the usual entrance to Bodega was on College Ave.

Somewhere on this site, I recall 'ART' giving a description which I recognised, but only of the interior.

Could be worth asking for information on the general thread, which I suspect is viewed by a wider audience.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks priscus, I have trawled through the whole WW site on several different searches and yes there has been quite a bit written about The Bodega amongst other things at various times by many people unfortunately none if any have ever seen or taken a photo of the front of the building.
It's funny how many 'discussions ' have been had over what was where or whose shop / office/ etc existed where or when
The Methodist and Baptist churches appeared to be on wheels they moved up and down King St so often. Memories eh? who'd have 'em
Speaking of Art , I haven't seen any of his posts lately,??
I might give the General thread a go as that could hold more input, I have had some degree of success previously on there, ( or was it places ?)
B. freezing down here today, first day significantly under 30C for some time, people wandering about looking for their cardigans etc


Cheers for now
Kev

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Kevan On this photo it shows the Chapel with railings I think they were removed in later years for the War effort, Seem to remember the steps went all across the front of the building.

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Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Cheers Cindy, there's a good bit of ironwork there for sure,I can remember little iron crosses on our front wall in Pagefield st, the railings obviously went the same way.

I might wait until I put the buildings across King St in place because unless you were 7' tall I am not even sure that you could see the footpath from the edge of the layout. We will see.
They look like mighty big bullet holes in the KoC frontage

Kev

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hello all,particularly those who keep visiting to see if I have actually done anything of late.
Well I have been continuing with the buildings along King St,in the main all of the assorted add on's, extensions etc etc that appear to be the work of a random builder working with a pile of left over bits. Suffice to say considering these were all supposed to be some 'mock up' models to see how it would look initially the time some of them have taken has had me seriously occupied for many nights. ( However I think Deb appreciated the peace and quiet and the dogs now growl at me if I try to sit on the sofa next to her)
Anyway a few photos of how far I have managed to get although very few have managed to score a roof as yet.
The latest though at this stage only the back wall I was pleased with a) that it made it onto the layout and b) the sign on the wall came up well after rubbing it with charcoal dust and the sand paper to age it a bit.





Mid way through trying to make out Fyffes warehouse(?) I had several long distance photos that all appear to show different window configurations. Oh and the Hippodrome sign had at least 2 variations as well.
Lastly for this update a long distance shot with one of the shots I have been trying to work from for comparison.



The weather here decided to turn rapidly into winter so we went from 25C and dry to 18 and p.. ing down, so the garden has missed out again this weekend.
As always, comments, critiques, information or thoughts all welcome, please feel free
Cheers
Kev

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Looking Good Kevan.

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Just found this photo of My Wigan Central layout taken in early stages of building.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Nice one Cindy have you got an article on it anywhere?Wigan and it's various stations appears to be quite popular amongst the modelling fraternity, I have been talking with a chap in New Zealand who is doing a 2004 onwards version of Wallgate, and there are at least 2 others who have borrowed from or based their layouts around Wigan. All of them are written up on the RMweb site along with several other Wiganers and their layouts as well. Shame we are so spread out, it's a bit far to come for a modelling night once a month.

Kevan

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Hello Kevan I have a number of books & photo's of the Stations along the line , Next station was Lower Ince,followed by Hindley South,Bickershaw & Abram, WestLeigh & Bedford, Lowton St Marys,Culcheth, Newchurch Halt, Glazebrook, Then all stations to Manchester Central.There were junctions At Lowton St Marys for St Helens, Newchurch Halt for the Munition factory,& Glazebrook for Warrington & stockport. If You want any information I will do my best to help. cindy

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hello to any / all readers / contributors , I am afraid there appears to be a lull in proceedings currently as I come to terms with being beaten around the head and neck daily with Radiotherapy for the next 6 weeks or so.
They said it's got a good success rate but it's like we ( the docs) run you over with a bus, stand you up dust you off and run over you again the next day! How Jolly! Anyway first week of diving under buses over with now with a few of the side effects kicking in, Lethargy being the most common, mouth is now permanently dry it seems and one fingertip has gone numb ????. The interesting bit was they said we don't want you to loose any weight! so for the last 10 years I have been trying to cast off 30Kg of surplus Kevan. Now I have the chance and they don't want me to, Rotters!
Anyway still pottering around on the layout when I can or feel like I want to so fingers crossed and I'll let you know how I get on.
The doc says I should suck on a boiled sweet or something, so donations of Uncle Joes greatly appreciated.
Kevan

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
Sorry to hear of your illness.

Have strength.

Hope that it works out well for you.

Posted by: momac (7579)  Report abuse
Very sorry Kevan..a little prayer is on its way to you...keep strong and keep
your chin up, you'll come out the other side.x

Posted by: cindy (5520)   Report abuse
Sorry to hear that Kevan, Hope things improve for you.If You look under disused Railways You will find loads of photo's & information on Raiways around Wigan. Fingers Crossed for you. Cindy

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thank you folks, it's apparently the same thing that Michael Douglas had a couple or so years ago, good prospects for complete cure but the treatment & side effects nearly kill you
Anyway I get weekends off for good behaviour so managed a couple of hours in the railway room in the afternoon yesterday. Might have another go today.Cindy I'll have a look at that info you mention, I took delivery of a book all about the Prescott St Shed a couple of weeks ago there is some great info and photos in there, not that it would have had much relevance to your Central layout.
I have been working on the Goods shed on the north side of the line at Chapel ln, which looking at maps and photos between 1933 - 1955 changed considerably with one complete enclosed section being removed leaving just a platform area, had to make an educated guess as to when that actually happened, it appears then as now people weren't happy unless they were changing something significant. Ha

Kev

Posted by: Jazzy (8508)   Report abuse
Hello Kevan

I've not commented previously on your thread, but I've followed it and been in awe of your talent to recreate Wigan Wallgate and surrounding area from the 50s.

I just wanted to say, how sorry I am your health isn't to good at the moment, and wish you all the best for your treatment.

Take care.
Jennifer

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thank you Jazzy, hopefully things will only slow down for a little while why I learn how to deal with or get round some of the side effects, The strangest one being Lethargy, the worst one being my throat now feels permanently on fire But I haven't got time to be despondant , I have a town to finish
Cheers
Kevan

Posted by: Jazzy (8508)   Report abuse
Kevan, I look forward to seeing it when you've finished it. It's a work of art....literally.

Posted by: momac (7579)  Report abuse
Kevan..I don't think anyone else has created anything like your masterpiece
so it will truly be a one-off...and when it is finished should get some
recognition...you're very talented...

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Awww c'mon guys, there is some brilliant work out there, I just happen to be modelling something that is easily recognizable to you all. I will however take all the encouragement and support at this time particularly, so anytime somebody wants to post" Geronwi it" please do.
Been asleep for 3 hrs this evening after the latest zapping hence why I'm up at midnight and it sounds like the Challenge Cup Final is on the tv in the lounge room, shame Wigan couldn't manage it, ah well next year, ?
Cheers
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all,
Just a quick note I am still in the fight with only 5 rounds of Radiotherapy to go , however, the body is certainly taking a beating. Having lost over 20kg from body mass in around 8 weeks doesn't do you a lot of good I have found.Spent a few days in Hospital last week while they rehyrated me after a few issues with trying to get enough food and drink into me.
Hopefully some form of normality will come more to the fore soon.
Regards
Kevan

Posted by: momac (7579)  Report abuse
Taylor,I wish you all the luck in the world..you will come through it all,God
bless.x

Posted by: MarieM (4478) Report abuse
Taylor Will your model be on show anywhere in the future. Best wishes.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks momac, some days are better than others, just hoping now to get the recovery process underway in a few days ( 4 visits to go ) then wait for the all clear.

MarieM couple of small issues with doing that, one is it's not really built for ease of transportation, the other being it's being built in Adelaide in Sth Australia, (Unless you live down this way that is )
Fair way to go yet but will get more ,general photos up soon and probably video once it is more complete operational wise
Kevan

Posted by: whups (2092)  Report abuse
hi taylor54 , a friend of mine is well into model railways . johnnie hill ,do you know him.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi whups,
Can't say that I do and it's probably unlikely unless he lives somewhere in Adelaide in South Australia.
Starting to feel a little more 'normal' since the treatment finished, I lost 26kg in weight ( most of which I could afford) BUT do not recommend the method of loss.I have found areas of me that has bones! Anyway got to build up the necessary in the right way over the next period, hopefully that will do away with the tiredness / lack of concentration which is why nothing much is happening on Wallgate.
Cheers all
Kev

Posted by: momac (7579)  Report abuse
God bless Kev..we're all cheering you on.x

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Momac,
Starting to feel better the last few days , if you don't count still wanting / needing to sleep about 16 hrs a day. That also should improve as I get some strength back.Still having lost 28Kg in about 2 months can't be good for you! It wont be good for my wallet either if I keep it off and need a complete new load of clothes.
Now we just have to wait until near christmas before finding out if it has all worked like they said it would (should). The doc's said the Radiotherapy has done so much collateral damage to other glands in my neck that they wont be able to get a conclusive result from any test until all that settles down. Anyway
Kev

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi all,
Not much to report on the modelling front, however I am glad to report that at 4 weeks after treatment has finished I am feeling much better and actually starting to eat a few things normally. Having lost about 30Kg body weight during that time I have had to buy new jeans etc as the old stuff kept falling off
Unfortunately the doc's can't give me the all clear until early January due to the 'collateral damage' the treatment has caused to various glands etc around my throat area. They say that all of that would need to settle down before they can tell me anything decisively.
Oh Well,hopefully my next post will contain some updated modelling.
cheers to you all for still watching and your well wishes
Kevan

Posted by: momac (7579)  Report abuse
Very good news Taylor..and long may it continue..I'd like to wish you all the
luck in the world.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Thanks Momac, I am starting to feel rather more normal with each day, did a bit of tidying up in the railway room yesterday. Isn't it amazing how clutter accumulates in a room when it is left to it's own devices for a prolonged period of time !
Kevan

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2499)  Report abuse
Hi there taylor54 i was wondering if you can help me my sis is after buying a steam train book price is not that much of an issue, now what he has always said would be is books about when he was a fireman out of SPRINGS BRANCH SHEDS, he has been trying in the long past about finding the one about this region of ours LANCASHIRE or as he puts it "northern line area? " so if you can help i would appreciate it very much.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hi GB, I recently purchased a book about the Prescot St shed which is an excellent source of information, photos and stories, there is a similar one available for Springs Branch.

Springs Branch

First time I have tried to post a Link on here, hope it works.
Best Regards and Merry Christmas
Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Ha, the Link above works ,
I have actually got back into the Train room in the last few days , nothing to show as yet as I have been mainly trying to remember what the heck I was actually doing with all these bits of card and sections of brickwall etc.
Anyway life is slowly getting back to normal in that I am trying various foods to eat that don't taste of cardboard or similar.
I don't recommend this as a method of weight loss, however most say I look much better for having lost the 37Kg !!
The problem is that there has also been a considerable loss of muscle as I found out the other day when I crouched down to pick up a box of stuff in the recommended manner and the legs couldn't stand me back up again, looks like some visits to the gym are in order.
Anyway wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a safe and happy New Year from us all downunder, looking forward to getting some constructive work down shortly.
Best Regards
Kevan

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
Glad to hear you are on the mend.

All the best to you and yours for Christmas.

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2499)  Report abuse
Hi Taylor 54
Wow thank you very much that is exactly what were looking for i will be calling round my sis's to-morrow i have printed off details from your link yes you have done great
I think i will have to try link's out in the new year
once again thankyou Kevin?

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas as we prepare for it being 40c on the day down here in Adelaide. That should be nice.
Hoping to get back into the train room after Christmas, have several Grandsons coming round who will want to see the trains running again, what better excuse.
All the Best

Kevan

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
OK , Just had the "You're ALL Clear" from the doctors at the cancer clinic
The relief is tremendous, so time to get back to modelling in earnest I think. Pretty well got back to normal food wise still have a bit of trouble with bread and pastry and Beer and Chocolate still taste awful .
Still, I can deal with that, along with buying some new ,smaller clothes as I am now 42Kg lighter than I was! NOT a recommended method of losing the weight though!
Kevan

Posted by: momac (7579)  Report abuse
Congratulations Taylor..enjoy the rest of your life..brilliant news.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Cheers momac, It certainly makes you think sometimes
Kev

Posted by: Jumpin Jack Flash (72) Report abuse
Best wishes taylork

Posted by: david dunlop (112) Report abuse
Congratulations on the 'All Clear', Kevan. Just waiting for mine at the end of the month after 6 weeks of similar fun with prostate cancer.

David

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hello David, Well I hope you get the same good news that I was given, it certainly relieves the tension somewhat I can tell you. I will keep all the various bits crossed for you.
How is your mum?

JJF thank you,

I actually felt like I had achieved a bit on the model last night, even if one of the achievements was to realize that I had some height issues with the relationship between Wallgate, The Coal yard / Exchange sidings and the main running lines, It may mean getting out the 'Nasty Knife & Saw' .........Hmmm, will have another look at that tonight I think.
K

Posted by: david dunlop (112) Report abuse
Numbers came back where everyone wanted them. If they still look OK in 6 months, I am off their books.

Mum passed shortly after her 93rd Birthday. Just over a year now. Terry and Belle still going strong, however, and both over 90 themselves now. Must be that Wigan air!

David

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Hello all,
David, just passed on your last post to mum, I think the mention of Terry took her back many, many years.

Anyway things with me are improving in leaps and bounds eating and therefore energy wise, still struggle a bit with breads and pastries but otherwise doing well. Started at the Gym twice a week trying to move some weights about, compared to what I used to move I feel positively frail. But a Start has been made !

As such I have been actually doing things in the train room instead of just going in and cleaning up / sitting and looking.
A little bit of additional wood work has produced the base for the Exchange Sidings, allbeit slightly the wrong shape but the photos give the right idea.





While I am in this area the next photo shows the two signal boxes to the east of the North Western Station, 1 attached to the goods shed and the other 3 story affair. Does anyone know when these may have been taken down / out of service ? Hmmmm



Oh and while I am asking questions the yard are around the exchange sidings appears to be Granite sets any clues yes / no
Will update things again shortly as I get more active

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
I believe that the elevated signal boxes were replaced with the so called bomb-proof design (Wigan No1, and Wigan No2) in 1942, but I do not recall where I read this.

Posted by: taylork54 (176) Report abuse
Yes priscus, I have had the same info from a member of the Model Railway Forum (RM Web) that I also have a Wallgate thread running on. However I have decided to invoke Rule 1 of Railway Modelling to wit "It's my layout, I'll do what I like" or as is also used "Modellers Licence" it's a bit like Poetic Licence but more 'physical'.
Besides all that drivel, I really prefer the look and appeal of the old boxes compared to the concrete bunkers that replaced them. I had already started building a model of the old "Southport Junction Box" rather than the Pill Box that was installed around the same time as the others.
As at one time I was (still am) considering featuring Meadows Colliery opposite Prescot St. Shed that probably closed down 30 or 40 years before when the layout is set. I figure the Signal Boxes lasting another 7 or 8 years before being replaced isn't stretching credibility too far.
Any ideas re the Sets in the Coal yard area off Wallgate ?

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
Yes, I agree with you in respect of aesthetics in relation to the pre-war signal boxes.

Like yourself, I too think the road surface in the coal yard to have been granite setts (would have been originally laid out for horse-drawn vehicles) but have to admit that I know not if my visual image of them be a true memory, or a reconstruction.

Posted by: priscus (5109) Report abuse
ps

I guess you will be searching for good photos of this L&Y elevated box, to work from.

If you find such, I wonder if I could ask you to be so kind as to share them with us on here.

 
 
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