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Wigan Pier Warehouses - what's happening?
Started by: carol gr (910)  Report abuse
I popped back (home) to Wigan at the weekend, the last time I was there was at Christmas. I noticed scaffolding and boards have gone up around where 'The way we were' exhibition used to be(I know that has been closed for a while). Does anyone know what's happening to the building?

Posted by: ayrefield (4465) Report abuse
Yes, they are re-opening the museum, so I have heard, all the items were moved by barge to Appley Bridge for storage, so the bargee will soon be busy once again bringing them back.

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
If it did nothing but transport Onions about, would it be an Onion bargee?

Posted by: carol gr (910)  Report abuse
Thanks, good to hear that the heritage is being preserved! Had an awful feeling they were going to be ripping it down.
Onion Bargee ..... good one

Posted by: nicola (3236)  Report abuse
*groan*....

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
Aaye thang yew!

Posted by: ayrefield (4465) Report abuse
gwim, a bargee is the person who sails a barge. Good joke though.

Posted by: carol gr (910)  Report abuse
The Onion barge would be driven by the Onion Bargee.

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
Cheers, Aryefield

Posted by: nicola (3236)  Report abuse
What if you got one full of Argentinians???

Would that be an Argy Bargee???

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
BOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: nicola (3236)  Report abuse
Oh yes, it had to happen! I made up a joke!!!

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
Indeedy weedy!

Posted by: nicola (3236)  Report abuse
Righty, off up Helvellyn now! Have fun kids!

Posted by: ayrefield (4465) Report abuse
Road or mountain?

Posted by: rbilly (10581) Report abuse
I thaught it was funny nicola

Posted by: jo anne (31822)   Report abuse
Onion Bargees and Argy Bargees!



Sorry to put a dampener on things, but I don't think the museum is to be re-opened - I'd be pleased to be proved wrong though.

The building which housed the Museum is no longer managed by WLCT.
A Planning Application (Reference: A/08/71894) for the change of its use from D2 (Leisure) to B1 (Offices) was Approved with Conditions in October, 2008.

At least the building seems to be being restored.

Posted by: nicola (3236)  Report abuse
Aye Jo Anne, I thought the museum was a gonner...

Mountain ayrefield, just one big set of stairs, that's all it is!

Posted by: carol gr (910)  Report abuse
It's a shame, I always liked the museum. I went 4 or 5 times, firstly with friends who came to Wigan for my wedding (1987) - they thought it was great, and then with my daughters at different ages. It was a great resource for schools and teaching history.

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (inactive) Report abuse
When the museum was closing, a little bird told me that the buildings are owned by British Waterways and the Council rented them and the reason they were closing it was because British Waterways had increased the rent by a large amount in the last few years the museum was open

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
What a load of rubbish. The Council got a masive offer off a property development company to build apartments on the site. A development which was supposed to include a civic theatre, hotel and pub/restaurant. All gone by the board and instead we got a extra block of apartments incorporating a high price pizza outlet.
The Council made no effort to publicise the museum after the contract was signed and actually ran it down because the property development company did not want visitors in the area of the apartments.
Many of the apartments are in fact empty.

Posted by: black staff (inactive) Report abuse
Ruddy Duck... I agree, and those empty apartments will soon become offices. It is bound to happen, the apartments don't sell... the owners have to sell the building to recoup loses, and sell to a firm renting out office space.

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (inactive) Report abuse
ruddy duck

Who actually owns the buildings?

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Looks like the WW rumour machine is in top gear again

I heard something similar too SLAP

I also heard that out of the total of 52 appartments built only 4 remain unsold. Others are empty because the speculators who bought them with a view to renting or making a quick buck cant find buyer/tenents owing to the present economic climate and problems in the housing market.

A new lease on "The way we were" was proposed by the landlords but the council decided it was no longer cost effective to keep the museum open due in the main to the ever declining number of visitors so they cut the losses, closed the museum and moved out. The owners are now converting the property into office space, and why shouldnt they, they are a business and want to utilise it to make a profit.

I notice Gordons Honda have also moved out of the area, perhaps there is a connection??

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
True enough, I don't. But am sure your mum does.

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
My Mum died just after xmas, guess we will never know eh

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Gwim, your a gobsh***e and will never change, but dont worry I can accept it

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
Awww bless....
Now get back to making tea before smithy finds out you are skiving (again).

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Your audience is watching GW

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Awww bless....She probably didn't like you much anyway.

Not really a nice thing to say about someones dead mother is it?

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Guess that one sentance speaks volumes about the sort of person you are eh?

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Its sad really

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Oh welL. I guess every forum has people like you....unfortunately

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Seriously GW, I hope your parents are both still with you. Its the only thing I will ever envy you over

Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (inactive) Report abuse
Course they are, don't be envious though. Not a nice trait.

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Not a nice trait.

How ironic, coming as it does from you

Laters pal, kettles boiling.

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
Despite what is being said on here by a someone who works for the Council, the Museum complex was deliberately run down by the Council who on signing the contract with the property development company made no effort to publicise the tourist attraction with for example coach tour operators and visitors from other parts of the country.

When Wigan Athletic got into the Premiership, we were told that visitors would come to Wigan for the weekend, vist the museum complex and watch a Latic's game. What happen to thst idea?

The fact remains that the people of Wigan were conned by the Council with the promise of jobs in a Civic Theatre, Pub/Restaurant and Hotel. One by one, a excuse was made not to build any one them.

If there is one thing, Wigan Council is good at, it is making false promises. You only have to look at how many other jobs and road schemes have been promised but never materialised.

Nothing to do with rumours, but simple fact!

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Despite what is being said on here by a someone who works for the Council, the Museum complex was deliberately run down by the Council who on signing the contract with the property development company made no effort to publicise the tourist attraction with for example coach tour operators and visitors from other parts of the country.[i/]

Proof please

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
No need for proof, the facts are all there to see!

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
No need for proof, the facts are all there to see!


I cant see any facts Griper, but I CAN see the work of a very cynical mind

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
What happen to the promise of a Civic Theatre?

What happen to the promise of a Pub/Restaurant?

What happen to the promise of a Hotel?

What happen to the promise of a Centre of Culture in the 'Way We Where' building?


And lets not forget what happen to the Orwell as a result of the complex closing down.

Like I said, all promise and no action just like many of the promised road systems!

p.s. Please don't show your ignorance by calling me 'griper'

Posted by: steff63 (2239) Report abuse
The Trencherfield Mill Project was undertaken by Stewart Milne, who comes originally from Aberdeen.
He bought all of the land adjacent to Aberdeens football ground, and then offered the football club a new stand.
Obviously they accepted it with open arms, so up went a massive stadium.
This then set the new skyline for adjacent properties, and hence allowed Milnes to build a series of multi storey apartments, instead of the standard 3 tier tenament type buildings traditionally found throughout Aberdeen.
obviously doubling his profit margins.
Milnes growth in the building sector has been prolific, and he is now one of the richest men in Scotland.
so in promotion of Ruddy Duck, Nothing would surprise me re under hand deals and failed promises.

27 of the new properties in Trencherfield Mill, have been repossessed, and have recently been sold for the knock down price of 42 grand each, via a closed auction.

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
They got canned. Reasons include: The onset of the present economic climate and lack of public spending, huge budget cuts on the horizon lead to higher priorities and more important things to do with what money is available,(please dont bring councilor expenses into it, totaly different budgets and what they fiddled wouldnt cover the annual cost of cleaning the bogs) togther with key investment partners such as pub/hotel/leisure operators getting cold feet and backing out......now I really cant make it any simpler for you

However you are free to blame the council for it ALL in your usual cynical way if you want, such is your perogative ZZZZzzzzz!

Things are going to get far worse in the next few years, I can see you and the rest of the protagonists having plenty to really moan about shortly

BTW......I am interested to know why you think The Orwells closure was down to the council and the fact the museum closed. I always thought the owner developed cancer and decided to call it a day.......must be that cycnical mind of yours again eh?

A tip......If you are going to carry on with all these unsubstantiated claims statements and accusations....please....PLEASE.....attempt to find out the real facts beforehand. You are so far from the truth its unreal and despite the fact you seem to thrive on moaning whinging and generaly trying to smear the council, it wont get you any closer

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
Sledge

I will ask you two simple questions.

If you were a property developer wanting to build some luxary apartments and wanted those apartments to be sod or leased for profit, would you want people coming onto the site to vist a cafe, information centre and museun?

If you were a resident living on the site, would you want people visiting the above plus a theatre, hotel, pub restaurant?

The answer is NO!

As for the Orwell, the owner lost a lot of custom as a result of the museum complex closing.

I say no more as it is obvious you are a devoted servant of the Council and never see anything wrong in what Lord Smith and company do. A example being the expenses fiddle.

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Same old story from you all the time eh?

yeah yeah whatever you say.....tell me who cares ?

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
sledge

Why will you not answer two simple questions?

Oh, I forgot, you are a Council Officer!

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
I gave you the answers, thing is you dont want to accept them. If you think you know better fair play to you .....but my question to you remains, let me remind you......who is it that you think cares about your continual and ongoing distorted, inaccurate and cynical views?.....dont make the mistake of thinking I do Sir

In fact I will do you a favour. If you have a complaint or believe something underhand has gone on these are the people to complain to... Audit comission/Pages/default.aspx

I will leave it with you but my advice is to stick on at them.....as you can imagine they get a lot of timewasters

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
sledge

Like all Council Officers and indeed local and national politicians, you have not answer the questions!

Prehaps you shold consider being a politician.

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Well what can I say, other than state how happy I am to have helped you in this issue However you must excuse me for the rest of the evening, your dialogue, scintillating and absorbing as it is, is no match for a few hours sat in the back garden watching the grass grow

Be sure to let me know how you get on with the Audit commission

Posted by: upthetims (6505) Report abuse
very subtle slege,and a very succinct riposte

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
Watching grass grow.

No wonder it takes so long for things to get done by the Council!

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Eeeeee your a born cynic aintcha Grice?? Wish I was capable of such an original wit

If you believe thats what we do all day perhaps you could mention this fact to the Audit commission too, it will lend some real credibility to your grievence

BTW What rating and how many stars do they give us last time round??......go on remind me and the rest of your audience, take a deep breath, you can do it

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive) Report abuse
sledge

What grievence?

Only stated about what went on at the Trencherfield Mill site which is common knowledge.

By the way, still waitng for a reply to my questions.

Finally, has the grass in your garden grown any taller as a result of you watching it?

Posted by: sledge (3085) Report abuse
Well out of the courtesy of my heart I have been back and will answer what I assume are the two questions you keep bleating on about.....OK.

Firstly as neither of us are actualy property developers I think any opinion regarding the siting of restaurants/cafes/museums would be purely speculative would you not agree? However the concept appeared to work on a much larger scale down at Salford Quays before the economic crash and although you may not be prepared to purchase a property in a similar area you have to realise others might.

Also what you fail to grasp is that your statement fails to hold water as the properties still failed to sell in volume even though the various leisure facilities originaly planned for the site did not come to fruition, so in a way it would appear you have proved your own theory as being wrong

...Now....in light of this earlier statement of yours you seem to suggest that something underhand went on.....my request to you is that you attempt to prove this belief of your rather than just forcing your own self held and impotent comments on us.

So the Orwell lost custom when the museum closed, no doubt it did, however they are unconnected ventures and such is the world of business. Are you suggesting the museum already running at loss of over 1million of YOUR council tax pounds p/a should have been kept open just to prop up an already ailing pub? My word!! you really would have had something to grip about if that had taken place wouldnt you

Now....I have answered what I took as the two questions you seem to keep bleating on about...perhaps you could no answer mine now Despite your constant ongoing petty attempts to smear and find fault with your council could you please remind us all of the outcome of the last audit commmission survey? Thank you

Cant tell if my lawn has grown directly as a result of me watching it, however if I could see it from here I would rather be attempting to find out than attempting to level with you and your bitter, narrow and cynical mind

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (inactive) Report abuse
Personally speaking......

I think something should have been done with the Way We Were Museum, many years ago, the museum had it's day in the mid 1980's when it had a novel concept and won awards and was on the telly a lot, but that was nearly a quarter of a century ago and in the first 10 years it was open whenever you drove along Pottery Road or Wallgate during the day, you would see plenty of tourists milling around the pier complex and coaches would be dropping off in the layby with kids dressed up in period costume, ready to be terrorised in the “schoolroom”

But I noticed in the last few years that the complex was open, that you hardly seemed to see any visitors there and I believe that it had just not evolved over the years, with new exhibits and attractions, it had become stale and no doubt the managers of the complex would have said that the Council would not give them the money to bring in new things, but I suppose it is a vicious circle, less visitors = less money coming in and less money available for new projects and more money required from the Council to keep the place going, the same thing is happening with Wigan Market and that will close eventually

Posted by: lectriclegs (3392) Report abuse
The Wigan council greenspaces Arbo team have been working in the way we were grounds to clear the area and make it more easy to view from the road as it is still up for sale.

Si Thi

Posted by: John59 (417)  Report abuse
all the above is speculation at it's WW best, Read the truth here

Posted by: John59 (417)  Report abuse
... ooer dunnit look nice, even an outdoor beer swilling zone that any major football championship would be proud of :O)

 
 
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