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Old Wigan connections
Started by: fred rosbottom (1930)   Report abuse
Who was the Minister at the Latter Day Saints Church down by the waterside across from Wigan Rugby ground, Greenough Street?

Who founded the Charity "Camp Quality"?

What is the connection between the two?

and what stall did the Minister have in the Old Market Hall?

Posted by: ayrefield (4465) Report abuse
Hi Fred, Billy Entwhistle was his name along with his wife Maggie, she was my father's sister.(my aunt & uncle) One of his sons founded the Camp Quality for disabled children - I have a badge for the scottish one. Did you use the cafe when it was in the old market hall. They later had the church built on Norley Hall Avenue, when Billy died they gave the building to the council to be a community centre for the people on Norley.

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131) Report abuse
The New Zealand branch of 'Camp Quality' started in 1985.
Each year it provides a holiday for children aged between 5 and 16 who are suffering from Cancer.
There are 5 locations spread throughout New Zealand

Posted by: fred rosbottom (1930)   Report abuse
Hi ayerfield, Sorry to have taken so long to reply to your answer to my quiz, you are correct in your answers, you ask did I use the cafe in the old market hall, I was never out of it, I met my wife there, she worked for Mr Entwistle for years, he had two sons Brian & David, it was Brian who founded the 'Camp Quality,' the last I heard about Brian was that he lived here in Sydney, my late wife and I visited him some years ago when his mother came to visit him. Your Father's Sister enjoyed a smoke, but Mr E disaproved, so when we had the Central Park Cafe in Greenough Street, across from the Church Hall down by the side of the river Duggy, she used to make the excuse that she was just going for a chat with my wife, so that they could have a Ciggy together, happy days.
Cheers Fred

Hi Dennis, as you say there are 5 locations of 'Camp Quality' in New Zealand, not a bad success story for a lad from Wigan.
Take care Fred

Posted by: fred mason (2802)   Report abuse
Billy Entwistle was my uncle, ayrefield, so you and I are distant relatives then..!!!. How about that. He was actually my mothers uncle but we all called him uncle. I do remember the cafe well and often went in with my mother when I was young and later worked at Smailes butchers, right opposite. I remember Aunt Maggie also, a lovely, friendly lady and remember Uncle Jimmy Entwistle too. Terry Entwistle played for Wigan Rugby but I can't remember whose son he was.
In the cafe were a couple of signs. One said kwityerbellyachinaneat or something similar and the other sign said...BMADAITY...or something similar, when someone asked what it stood for the person in the know said 'Buy me a drink and I'll tell you'. Uncle Billy once turned up at our house with a whole choir of youngsters at Christmas and piled into the living room and sang carols all evening. Lovely times, lovely times.

Posted by: ayrefield (4465) Report abuse
I didn't really know them very well whilst I was young Fred, as they visited our house on Wednesday afternoons when the cafe was closed and I would either have been at school or at work, we never frequented the cafe. I got to know them a lot better when they had retired when they joined my father, myself and others for a meal out. Maggie was the eldest and she outlived my father and all my other aunts and uncle from the family, even though she was one who was always saying she was dying.

Are you a relation to Mick Mason who once worked at Bill and Alice Naylor's grocery shop on Scot Lane?

Posted by: fred rosbottom (1930)   Report abuse
Hi Ayrefield. you are correct about Mrs E. she was always unwell, it was the biggest surprize when one day Brian rang to say she had come to Austrlia for a holiday, as I said my wife and I visited her, I had never seen her looking so well.
Mr E. had 2 or 3 brothers, Jack was one I forget the others names, he also had a sister, Betty.
Cheers, take care,
Fred

Posted by: fred mason (2802)   Report abuse
Hi ayrefield,

Thanks for the update. Very interesting info and brings back many memories. Thanks to all really. I am not related to Mick Mason as far as I know. Did he come from Liverpool originally perhaps? I do remember Bill Naylor though. He delivered to us on Montrose Ave when I was five and continued when we moved to Norley Hall later on. My mother used to work for him and I spent many a happy day in the back of the shop and playing around outside while she worked. It was safe to do so back then.

Posted by: clarechambers (1) Report abuse
HI I AM JUDITH ANNE CHAMBERS. I AM THE VERY PROUD DAUGHTER OF BILL AND MAGGIE ENTWISTLE. THEY OWNED THE CAFE IN THE OLD MARKET HALL. I TOOK OVER THE BUSINESS IN THE NEW MARKET. MY FATHER WAS A DEDICATED MINISTER (PASTOR) OF THE WIGAN CHURCH, BUT HE SADLY PASSED AWAY IN 1995. IN 2000 MUM AND I WENT TO SYDNEY TO OUR BRIAN AND VERA. SADLY MUM PASSED AWAY IN 2006 - OUTLIVING THE ENTWISTLE GANG!
IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH RELATIVES - BOTH ENTWISTLE AND SPARGO

Posted by: rbilly (10582) Report abuse
as a child i used to go to this church in norley hall as we lived right next to it

Posted by: fred mason (2802)   Report abuse
Hi Judith,

I always liked your mum and dad very much. Your dad used to say I was intelligent and technical, I'm still poor though..!!!!!

I heard that Derek Spargo sadly passed away some years ago but there are still some Entwistles and Spargos around. My uncle in Upholland knows a few. His mother was Beatrice Spargo, (my grandmother)

If you want to keep in touch my e-mail is fredgourmet@gmail.com.

Merry Christmas.

Posted by: tonker (19914)   Report abuse

Posted by: lesenty (26) Report abuse
Hi Judith
Your dad was my uncle and I have not seen you for 15 years.(David and Brian even longer). Sad to hear your mum passed away in 2006.I was talking to my brother Alan about you last night. Please get in touch
thanks
Lester
email is buzzbiker@blueyonder.co.uk

Posted by: lesenty (26) Report abuse
I have posted a picture of the Entwistle family in pics-album-people-entwistle family. It shows Bill etc in church hall (upstairs) celabrating parents golden wedding

Posted by: davee (55) Report abuse
Hi to all you folks mentioning BILLY & MAGGIE ENTWISTLE, I'm their son David and I still live in Wigan. It's good to hear of all you people reminising of the past times and the old market hall and how we are all linked through friendship or relatives. For those who want to know, Dad, Billy, was the oldest and his siblings were Bob, Jimmy, Jack, Olive & Betty, all the cousins, as far as I know, live in or around Wigan, except for Pauline, Bobs daughter, who lives in Ellesmere, and BRIAN, my brother who lives in Australia, he and his wife, Vera have retired from Camp Quality, which they started some years ago. Regards to all..

Posted by: robbo32us (254)  Report abuse
TANGLES

Posted by: davee (55) Report abuse
further to Bill Entwistle, his brother Jimmy and family emigrated to OZ in the 60's, Raymond lives in Melbourne and Susan is in Adelaide and they both have family.

Posted by: lesley (502) Report abuse
Fred - or anyone - can you put the picture that Lesenty has posted on to this thread for me. I am hopeless at finding pictures in the archives. Thanks in advance. Great thread.

Mum and Dad met at the Cafe. Mum worked there and we have a couple of photos with her in her apron holding me as a young girl in the cafe.

I met Brian and Vera for the first time here in Sydney, Australia.

Camp Quality was an amazing achievement for the two of them.

Posted by: lesenty (26) Report abuse
The link to Entwistle family pic is :-

http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/6/b8q3u4rw.jpg

All the names are under the pic.

Sorry, I don't know how to capture the pic and put in a message

thanks
LesEnty

Posted by: lesenty (26) Report abuse
As Requested

Entwistle family pic

thanks
Les



Golden wedding anniversary 1959
front row Bill, James and Elizabeth Ellen, Bob
Second row Maggie, jimmy, Margaret, Edna, Betty
Back row Walter, Nellie, Jack, Olive.
Photo taken in the upstairs of the chappel in Water Heyes (side of river douglas)

Posted by: lesley (502) Report abuse
Hi Les - thank you so much for doing that. I will tell Dad that it is on and I am sure it will bring back lots of memories for him.

Posted by: fred mason (2802)   Report abuse
Just watched a video of the old market hall and an interview with Uncle Billy and Aunt Maggie.

So lovely and brings back happy memories.

Would love to hear from family members.

Fred. my e-mail is fredgourmet@gmail.com.

Posted by: aussie94 (1918) Report abuse
Camp Quality , I am sure I have donated to this charity in Oz ? anyone know of them?

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131) Report abuse
I believe that Vera Entwistle came over to New Zealand from Sydney Australia in 2010 to help celebrate the 25th anniversary of the New Zealand branch of Camp Quality.

It is quite interesting that a very well respected charity here in New Zealand had its beginning in place I remember well from my childhood - Wigan Market Hall 😀

 
 
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