I see the first two houses have gone up on Rag Brow, The number of cars parked at the top are causing trouble,

Bentlegs some of the cars belong to the staff or people who are dropping kids off the nursery

just wait till they all go up . talk about a bottleneck , it will be 10 times worse.

Where's Rag Brow?

A49 (Wigan Road) between the dip of Park Brook (Perry Brook) and Rose hill (junction with Eddlestone street) in Bryn/Ashton in Makerfield.

See tom plum's video of it posted on general thread, here

Question :-

Is 'Rag Brow' called 'Rag Brow' because it's the 'brow' on which stood the 'Rag'.

Or, was the 'Rag' called the 'Rag' because it stood on 'Rag Brow'?

It's like the chicken and the egg. Which came first?

Opposite Edmund Collins park.

mortarmillbill gets a ten point penalty for giving an irrelevant answer!

And it is not in Wigan

Nothing new about Wigan Rd/Rose Hill being dangerous, my GGg'dad was 'killed by being run over by a passing omnibus' according to an inquest in 1886

Yes, when the terraced housing was there, it was a nasty blind bend, and drivers giving it some welly to ascend, came accelerating around the bend where the gradient eased. Not uncommon for pedestrians to be struck.

It was a little more complicated than that. He fell out of a carriage that was dropping off two mates when the driver adjusted the position to ensure the 'bus had enough room to pass, according to newspapers' reports of inquest.

I think Mrs Anders, lollipop lady, was knocked down on that very bend!

I take it you're talking about the land thats just been developed for more of the same old houses?. I remember seeing banners up near to where the nursery is campaigning to "save our greenbelt". I thought you couldn't build on greenbelt land?. It doesn't matter what the public want, if they want it they more than like!y get it. People have little say in these matters, sadly, and these bylaws just get ignored as if they never existed, yet if someone tried build a free house in their own garden you have to ask permission. And do people actually care about our environment anyway?. People are too wrapped up in their boring, consumerist-driven lifestyles to be motivated enough to get off their backsides.

That lovely view of the surrounding area to Wigan will be now lost, together with more loss of fields, bringing in congestion as well as more overcrowding. And who's gonna be able to afford these houses? (200k plus if they're detached?). And think each of those houses will have cost about just 80 grand to build, yet they'll be about 200 grand to buy. How's that right?.

Looking at the green belt designated area it seems that part has never been declared green belt. Yes! it appears some green fields will disappear but not green belt. I like to keep tabs on any whiff of green belt mentions as my neighbours and self are in the designated green belt and find it difficult to do as we would want.

Theyre telling you it's not been designated greenbelt, but who makes the rules? certainl not the public. I wouldn't trust the council to tell me the time. If it's not greenbelt, then was were all the banners about saying "save our greenbelt" on them?.

So where is the designated Greenbelt area in Bryn and how far back are those houses going to be built.? all the way to Bolton rd ?.. I don't live there now, but know it well and it sickens me all that beautiful view I grew up with is gone..

Wigan Unitary Development Plan will show all green belt and safeguarded land plus many other things. The maps provided should be viewed along with all reading provided and believe me there is a lot of it

Greenbelt was introduced, by the government, to control development. That's just what they're doing, controlling development by releasing certain greenbelt land where and when it's needed.

I bet that many of those objecting, are living in houses which were built upon what was previously green fields, and hence robbed the existing residents of their views and open space back in the Twentieth Century.

Pulling up the drawbridge: yes/no?

When I whur a kid, Landgate and Bryn estates were being built. Those apart, almost all the space between the through A and B roads was open space. Mostly farmland, but a fair bit of colliery estate, tips and rough grassland which had been previously in industrial use.

It was a pleasant walk from Rag Brow to Brocksteads, High Brooks, Coroner's Nook, Windy Arbour and beyond.

The walk to Carr Mill Dam through the fields was also good.

Fair point priscus...... I agree with all the 'walks', we did some walking back in those days.. A few years ago when I was over, I did the walk we used to do as children going to visit my grandparents.. From Downall Green, up Brocksteds, through Drummers Fields, High Brook to Cox Lump.. was lovely...Lots of lovely walks to do from around Downall Green when I was young...

Its rag brew not brow, those cars are always parked there when nursery is open, nothing to do with the much needed development. Traffic increase will hardly be noticed, theres over 400 houses on bryn estate and meadowcroft but there are only 2 exits from there, there is hardly a trafic jam coming off bryn estate is there?

I'm 74 and I remember as a child, it was called Rag Brow.. Maybe that wasn't posh enough for newcomers and they changed it.. Bit like Smock Ally in North Ashton, when the land was developed, Smock Ally wasn't good enough, so they changed it to Smock Lane...

My dad`s now 93. Born in Finnyaddy Row . He always calls it Rag Brew

We called it Rag Brew, but I think it was merely our way of pronouncing Brow. I am quite happy to spell it as Rag Brow, even though in speech I would say Rag Brew!

Maybe it was the pronunciation then, I just remember Brow..

We seemed to vary pronunciation of vowels in many words.

Old was Owld (As in the bird, followed by'd')

Man was mon

e.g. 'thowldmon'

Died was deed

etc etc

Difficult to recognise in retrospect what was just a Northern variant, from what was a very local variant: an issue argued over on these threads in the past!

Also words such as wom, (home) a quite correct pronunciation, but quite archaic!

Who telt thi thad aft gut Wiggin tear sortuv road whi speykt?

jouell.

Aye, whi whur a reet posh lot at topu Rag Brow/brew.

whi lookt dewn on people livin in council houses!

Are you Polish or a Yugoslav?
Or have you got a cleft lip?

Yes priscus, I remember people, my dad was one, who talked like that.. My Mam was from Haydock, so she talked with a different dialect..