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Started by: xrh59 (inactive)

Although this was written for the Battle of Jutland,May 1916 i think it reaches across to all who lost their lives in war,and the agony and pain of their loved ones.I just thought it would be a fitting end to a sad day "My boy Jack" "Have you news of my boy Jack?Not this tide.When d'you think that he'll come back?Not with this wind blowing,and this tide."Has any one else had word of him?Not this tide.For what is sunk will hardly swim,Not with this wind blowing,and this tide."Oh,dear,what comfort can i find?None with this tide,Nor any tide,Exept he did not shame his kind,Not even with that wind blowing,And that tide.Then hold your head up all the more,This tide and every tide;Because he was the son you bore,And gave to that wind and that tide! P.S. Sorry! it was supposed to be in a column like poems are wrote.

Started: 12th Nov 2006 at 20:57
Last edited by xrh59: 12th Nov 2006 at 21:31:13

Posted by: john joseph (3197)

More than ever took part in Standish
walk to the Cenataph this Morning
And lots of kids and teens, It was good to see the young having respect, Well Done Kids.

JJ

Replied: 12th Nov 2006 at 23:16

Posted by: dave© (3507)

I hope this comes out a bit clearer.


My boy Jack "Have you news of my boy Jack?"
Not this tide. "When d'you think that he'll come back?"
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.
"Has any one else had word of him?" not this tide.
For what is sunk will hardly swim, not with this wind blowing, and this tide."
"Oh dear, what comfort can I find?" none with this tide, nor any tide.
Except he did not shame his kind, not even with that wind blowing.
And that tide. Then hold your head up all the more, this tide and every tide
Because he was the son you bore, and gave to that wind and that tide.

Probably more prosaic than poetic, but, it gets the point across.

Replied: 12th Nov 2006 at 23:29
Last edited by dave©: 12th Nov 2006 at 23:51:43

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Thanks Dave,That looks better.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 09:34

Posted by: billy (26053) 

brilliant, and so moving.the poet was inspired.
did you read about the overpaid(by us)newscaster that refused to wear the poppy?poppy fascists he called the sellers. john snow the name, and like snow he is a flaky brained t**t. i was surprised at this years turnout for the special occasion x59, i am wondering if this was a message to the manipulators of our traditions. a couple of church vicars or whatever, refused to give a remembrance day service, on the grounds it didnt fit in with the multi cultural society in britain today???god help us from the likes of these messengers of god.all credit then to the black archbishop, who has attacked the BBC and politicians who are afraid to offend minority religions with our christian faith and beliefs. (for those who do)no christmas cards mentioning christ..no mention of merry christmas...simply, hapy season???i was in Q&s stores yesterday, quite christmassy i must say, buttt...no christmas carrols..no reference to the occasion we have celebrated for centuries...just some god awfull chamber music???we walked out the b****y place without buying a thing.
xrh59 mate, i think the time is coming when we have to do it all again.
PS have a merr..err..have a happy season???err...to h**l with em, to all at wigan world, MERRY CHRISTMAS,AND YES...JESUS LOVES YOU, and for anyone offended, see me in morrisons o the hill.....come armed.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 11:02

Posted by: billy (26053) 

i"l be waiting.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 11:04

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 12:16
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Posted by: john joseph (3197)

Getwom

I understand what you are saying but these days Remembrance is for everyone who has died from 1914 /18 up to today including Suez, Falklands, Afganistan , Palastine Iraq +others Also 124Servicemen have died in iraq and 4 more over the weekend They have got to have kids and those kids have other kids as friends

Ive been around a bit I cant remember any time there has not been conflict in my life, and Ive been in a few of em myself Congo,algeria, suez.including powder keg conditions like Cuba ect

JJ

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 12:37
Last edited by john joseph: 14th Nov 2006 at 10:11:54

Posted by: coccium (2569) 

There as only been one year since the end of WW2 that a british serviceman has not been killed in some conflict.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 13:18

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 14:20
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Posted by: billy (26053) 

forgive me if i am judging you harshly getwom. but you do sound like the suits who want to see it called off, out of sinc with the present day. you have overlooked one important aspect of remembrance day, and that is...its part of british history. if you say to me, kids aint interested in history, well thats another matter,but i reckon(from the vibes in your post)you dont approve...you would like to see the back off it???history is for true brits, those who say otherwise have been brainwashed by the PC outfit.if ya aint interested in the two world wars, and the massive casualties they involved,then by the same token, ya aint interested in any other historical facts, because as you put it...kids werent around in that time. you never fail to bemuse me gethome err sorry...getwom.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 16:01

Posted by: billy (26053) 

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 16:03

Posted by: billy (26053) 

what outfit did you serve in getwom??have you been in the services of this great country of ours???we are all interested, it enables one to put a slant on your posts regarding this subject.
merry christmas, and whoever is offended, to bad.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 16:07

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 16:13
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Posted by: billy (26053) 

[;D]its an exciting tale getwom, i cant begin to relate it to you, your ticker may not be able to take it.nor the time in seoul harbour, with 20 thousand tons of high explosives on board waiting to be discharged, mad cap GIs running around firing off rounds in the air to g-up the vietnames dockers. ahhh, memories are made of this.
ps..see what ya missed getwom.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 16:23

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

I think Poppy day and the Ceromony at the Cenataph should always continue We lost just out of our small crowd of direct friends George Gore Radio officer R N
Bunny Johnson Flier missing
Ronnie Walker PILOT shot Down and CAPTURED AND SHOT by Gestapo
Dereke Whittiker 8th Army
Jimmy Knowles Burma Chindits
Ronny Smith.Fleet Air arm
God Bless them and all who have no one left to Mourn them

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 16:32

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Well said Elizabeth,are the people you mentioned from Wigan,My family lost quite a few members in both the world wars some never found, and when i asked my dad (who served in the army from 26.4.37 to 3.6.66)if it was worth it all he said yes of course every bit of it.And thats why it means so much to me and my family and thats what i have tought my kids and grandchildren that if it wasn't for these people our lives wouldn't be so cushy and we do have it easy now thanks to them.Even though we moan about the Govt and the pc brigade and the laws of this land not being right we have the greatest Country in the world and we do have to give credit to the young people for remembering the fallen don't forget they are losing friends and relations now,And we may need them sooner than we think if things carry on,Hope not.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 17:25

Posted by: ken rutter (387) 

All I can say to you xrh59 is THANKS ,I couldnt put it better its only 2 minutes they gave their lives

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 18:33

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

A starter for ten, who wrote "My boy Jack"

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 18:56

Posted by: dark horse (295) 

Not just old wars, but more recent ones too - here's my effort:

THE BLOOD OF OUR YOUNG (is on our hands)

For peace is tinged with the blood of our young
As they think they strive to silence war
But the song of the battle must be sung
For it is, alas, humanity's greatest flaw

War is waged by those whose best has passed
To old to fight, they hide behind their plans
The public stand before them quite aghast
And parents fret and wring their hands

We watch a new generation raise a battle cry
Ochestrated by the middle aged or old (in suits)
Many miles from home the young will die
As proud, but safe, the minister salutes!

We threw the die of fate when at the polls
And in the ballot box we dropped our vote
And names of men and women go on honour rolls
Instead of penning loved ones a loving note.

The pen is mightier than the sword they say
And nought more cutting we have proved
Than when it makes a cross on polling day
And all our lives were inevitably moved.

For the blood of our young is on our hands
We let our politicians do this deed
We sent our children to the killing lands
And now we ask if ever there was need.

Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 19:00

Posted by: getwom (inactive)

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Replied: 13th Nov 2006 at 23:18
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Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

XrH 59 Yes they were all from the Wigan area I forgot to put on the list Roy Armour he was in the Highland Black Watch Bunny Johnson who was missing over Germany, his mother kept his clothes fresh in the Wardrobe for years and years , always thinking one day he would come back, she never gave up hoping. They were all dancing partners and good friends of mine we were known as the Whittiker Crowd and used to meet in Makinsons Cafe mostly every morning. Sad but good memories

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 09:16

Posted by: billy (26053) 

you guys have said it all. to the flake brains who havent a clue, read these posts and digest.it happened...its not fiction..nor holywood..its in the book of time called history. those who spend a great deal of their useless lives trying to convert us to their sense of."reality"multiculturism, i say..get a life, and continue enjoyig what so many died for.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 09:55

Posted by: billy (26053) 

ya get my drift???

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 09:56

Posted by: dark horse (295) 

getwom.....Rudyard Kipling?

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 11:32

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Yes it was Rudyard Kipling,He lost his own son John at the battle of Loos(Sept 1915)and his body was never found until long afer his fathers death and the wars end,Kipling and his wife had to endure long years of uncertainty regarding their sons fate.His body was found in 1992.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 13:19
Last edited by xrh59: 14th Nov 2006 at 14:55:03

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Elizabeth, Have you been on the war graves commision site it's most interesting and if you type in the names of your friends and what service they were in it will tell you thier details and you can print them off to keep, you can also print a memorial picture of the place they are laid to rest also with their details on i.e name,age rank and number and regt,some have thier parents name and adress,Worth a look and it makes you think about what we have lost.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 13:41

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

Xrh 59 yes I have actually been to different memorials and went to Tilburg in Holland to the house wher they were shot and the garden of remembrance to Aunt Coba, too long a story but briefly
they were hidden by a Lady code name Aunt Coba
some one talked and the Gestapo came one morning took them out in the back garden and shot them, and they did have their uniforms on Aunt Cobra rushed up the stairs and managed to throw a Dutch Flag over the bodies before they took her away she died tortured and then gassed in RAVENSBRUCK CNCENTRATION CAMP THE BODIES OF THE THREE Pilots were taken to the concentraion camp at VUGHT nr HERTOGENBOSCH AND BURNT
The gestapo men were caught after the war and tried and shot. the Flag that covered the bodies was only recently presented to his sister who gave it to the Airmans Chapel at St Michaels Church atConnigsby Lincoln. If you would like the whole story perhaps Brian would publish it if I sent him a copy. the story shows how brave the people of Holland were

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 16:23

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

Just a thought perhaps if they took some of the yobo's that roam around instead of putting them in prison or fining them , take them to the Concentration camps and show them the horrific pictures there and lock them in where the ovens are overnight on their own perhaps it may alter their ways I do say may be

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 16:31

Posted by: billy (26053) 

lizz, i guess a lot of them would consider it a good carreer move.right up their street.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 17:08

Posted by: ianmcl (inactive)

The real reason for remembrance is just that: to remember - whether it's just one person or millions. Whatever race, religion etc

the posts between Billy and getwom serve no point and are frankly quite upsetting.

I repsect the fact that you may have served - which i havn't - but the inclusion of jibes like that in this thread is pointless. this is a ceremony of remembering and thankfulness, not about whether the pc mob - whoever THEY may be - have got it right or wrong!

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 17:15

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Elizabeth i think it would be a fitting tribute to their memories if you got Brian to put the story of those young men on Wigan world,I for one would like to hear the story not just because of the Wigan connection but to let the younger people who come on the site see what it was all about.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 18:58

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Are'nt we lucky buggers to be able to chat with each other on our new fangled toys,And yet it could have been so different without their sacrifice.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 19:09

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Elizabeth, Just wondering if you have any photos of the places you visited,maybe you could put those on Wigan world to acompany the story,just a thought!.

Replied: 14th Nov 2006 at 19:15

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

To you all who have replied to this story , I have asked Brian if he could do it and make a special columm , I am sure there are many more stories of Bravery. I have pictures of the house of the late Aunt Coba also a picture of Aunt Coba and 4 members of the resistance and various other things relating to the story. It was due to Ronnies Father's diligence in tracing what happened to his son after the war that this came to light

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 15:29

Posted by: billy (26053) 

apologies liz, your right.
my problem is thinking the war is still in progress!!!looking around at these pink bellied politicians selling the country down the river, makes me irate. but you are right, sorry.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 15:37

Posted by: billy (26053) 

correction liz...i meant ianmcl.sorry once again.

Replied: 15th Nov 2006 at 15:41

Posted by: truckerdave (2337) 

Maybe if the politicians kid's got sent to Iraq or Afghanistan then they might look at things in a different way.
Or, even better send the bloody politicians.

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 22:04

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

I would wish no one would have to go to war,It causes nowt but pain to all concerned.

Replied: 19th Nov 2006 at 22:14

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

Xrh59 and to all that are interested in the story I have sent a shorter version as it is quite a long story,with lots of details , and pictures to Brian how he will set it up I do not know Found now amongst my papers , a note that thre is a memorial plaque on display at Beech Hill Primary School where Ronnie was a pupil

Replied: 20th Nov 2006 at 13:20

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Thanks Elizabeth can't wait to read about them.

Replied: 20th Nov 2006 at 17:41

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

I have not heard from Brian as regards the story and having problems with my Mail this past few days I am going to try and send it again. I did write and ask him as well if he had got it, which is unusual for Brian not to reply

Replied: 23rd Nov 2006 at 08:41

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Hello Elizabeth,I bet Brian is up to is neck with stuff for Wigan World so just give him a bit of time.But if you think it's a problem with your mail send it to him again,I don't want to miss this story.

Replied: 23rd Nov 2006 at 17:14

Posted by: elizabeth (5439) 

Have had a word from Brian regarding the story of Ronnie . States he will see to it next time he up dates the site . sorry about the delay . if you have ny idea how I could get a copy of it to you , please do not hesitate to tell me

Replied: 26th Nov 2006 at 10:31

Posted by: xrh59 (inactive)

Thanks for the update Elizabeth,Don't worry about the delay it makes it even better to wait for a while.I will be able to get a copy off here when its done,Thanks for taking the time to do it for us.

Replied: 26th Nov 2006 at 22:31

 

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