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Started by: admin (526) Report abuse
Anyone going to watch this Led Zeppelin tribute group at the Old Courts on Saturday. If you see an old guy that will be meMy daughter has just sent me a ticket for my birthday present.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Personally speaking - and I am quite sure that I am going to be verbally mobbed for saying the following - but I really see no reason in paying a lot of money to watch a band trying to be like another band. If the entrance price would be a few pounds, then I suppose it would be more acceptable. But, some of these tribute bands are charging around twenty pounds entrance fee: tonight's tribute band is charging fourteen pounds.
Most good musicians can play other people's music, especially as many famous songs aren't too difficult to play; with the addition of today's technology, sounds can be greatly enhanced and with some sounds even being added.
For me, this relatively new trend of being a tribute band and doing the circuit is just a way of trying to make a 'quick buck'.
There are many excellent musicians playing cover versions at 'The Unity Club' in Standish, with some of the musicians being original members of the band which released the record back in the 1960s/70s/80s - and! the entrance price is 'ONE POUND'.
It can be clearly noticed, that many people today are looking back on their youth with feelings of great positiveness and when it comes down to music, hearing that certain song again may fill that person with nostalgia. But, do we really want our music scene filled with tribute bands and cover versions?
Of course, we have had bands playing cover versions for decades; once upon a time, you could visit any one of the many social clubs in the vicinity of Wigan and watch a band playing cover versions, with many of these bands being excellent at what they did, such as: Winston, Rainbow Cottage, Copper Kettle... But, they were there to partly entertain an audience and that audience had not paid a costly sum to enter the club.
Our music industry is in a mess and some of our music scene only adds to this mess. There is a staleness and blandness in what we are being fed. Much of our music scene has not moved in fifteen years and can we honestly put our finger on the style of music of today.
There are many decent bands (with very good musicians) doing original music and trying to break into the music industry. For me, these are the bands to watch and they certainly need our support!

Posted by: admin (526) Report abuse
Taken from the bands web site.
MOTHERSHIP is a Led Zeppelin covers band - actually more homage than tribute - that exists to celebrate the music of the best rock band the world has ever seen.

Unlike other tribute 'acts', MOTHERSHIP don't mimic the look and gestures of Led Zeppelin - rather the band is a celebration of the music - the music is the message... so... no costumes, no wigs, no nonsense... just great music, well played.
I've recently seen on a couple of occasions the ELO tribute group and close your eyes and you wont tell the difference in Fact some people who have heard ELO recently in Hyde Park say the Tribute group sound better... Anyway it's the music not the people that I'm going to listen to For £14.00 I'm not complaining, a lot cheaper than the original band when tbey last played a few years ago.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Why not sit in a comfortable armchair at home and listen to the original recording?

'The music is the message'(?) Not sure what kind of message a covers band is trying to send out other than, we can play someone else's music.

There is no 'Best Rock Band in the World', because it all comes down to personal opinion. Ask any Rolling Stones fan and they will tell you that the title (Best Rock Band in the World) belongs to 'The Rolling Stones. This can also be applied to: Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, Metallica, U2, The Who, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, The Doors, Fleetwood Mac, Aerosmith etc.

'Taken from the bands web site.
MOTHERSHIP is a Led Zeppelin covers band - actually more homage than tribute - that exists to celebrate the music of the best rock band the world has ever seen.'

The band's website would say that! After all, it isn't going to say, 'We can't write songs so we try to copy Led Zeppelin instead of The Bay City Rollers because we have a better chance of making a few bob this way...

If they are paying homage to Led Zeppelin and not doing it for the money, then they must be donating all the money to a good cause.

Tribute bands may sometimes sound better than the original artist. Most singers sound better than Bob Dylan, because Bob has not got a good singing voice. But! I would prefer to see and hear Bob Dylan performing 'Subterranean Homesick Blues' than any person paying homage to him. The same goes for 'The Beatles': these four Liverpool lads were amateur musicians with very average singing voices at the beginning.

Some years ago (about eight years ago, I think), I watched Simply Red and the band was great. Also, Mick Hucknall's voice was fantastic. That same summer, I watched Simple Minds (with Jim Kerr) and the band was fantastic. Simple Minds did around four encores - played for over two hours. I paid around twenty-eight pounds for each ticket.

For me, fourteen pounds is a bit steep. Five pounds would be more like it!

Anyway, I hope you had a good night and left the venue feeling happy and content with everything. I genuinely mean it.

Posted by: admin (526) Report abuse
Just got in from the gig. ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC, Superb vocalist and the musicians!!!!! well, I've seen guitarists before but the two in the group where something else. I would gladly pay £100 a ticket to see them again ( my daughter has recently paid that to watch Liam Gallagher) To feel the sound vibrating against your body, takes me back to my youth. Stairway to Heaven, Marakesh, Whole Lotta love,etc. I'll be playing them all day tomorrow, FULL BLAST.. Apologies to the neighbours<g>

Posted by: broady (14315)   Report abuse
What a bore Ian Pri** is.

Posted by: roylew (3030) Report abuse
Admin..enjoy your evening...that’s all that matters...we all have our “heroes in music”...if this takes you back then it’s fantastic for you

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
Glad you enjoyed it, Ron.

Live music always delivers.

Posted by: stevejmac14 (575)  Report abuse
Jeez you must have fun when/if you go out,IanP! Firstly,what’s wrong with a band “making a few bob”? whether a tribute/homage band or not? Secondly, do you / have you ever played an instrument or been in a band? Your comment about “many famous songs aren’t too difficult to play” tells me not. The point of going to see a band is to have a good time, recall memories of stuff you like, have a bit of fun. Maybe that’s why he didn’t “sit in a comfortable armchair at home and listen to the original recording”. As Jarvo says live music delivers and, for me, any band, good or bad, who gets up and has a go, deserves support. Just my opinion.

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Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
It was not difficult to assess the behavioural conduct of certain people. As I said at the beginning:
- 'Personally speaking - and I am quite sure that I am going to be verbally mobbed for saying the following - ...'

Not only do I find it distasteful but also very disappointing that on this site there is a percentage of human beings lacking in the ability to read and understand the chosen language of simple communication and to deal with a chosen topic in an intellectual and adult way. It can easily be seen that some members are so apathetic and immature by the way they show a mixture of petulance and arrogance. Resorting to name-calling has always been considered to be an unattractive personality trait of infants and adding to this negativeness by using symbols instead of letters to avoid the inappropriate word in its true form only heightens such infantile behaviour.
Unfortunately, it seems to be common practice for some members of this site to lean towards unlawful actions and to use a language which is regarded as unacceptable without being deterred by the governing bodies of this site.
With some of the above posts, it comes as no surprise why many members rarely contribute or no longer contribute to this site.
It would be more interesting for certain members to read each word more carefully and for them to fully understand what is being said. For instance, I never stated anything about all live music being uninteresting nor did I dismiss live music. On the 13th October, I stated the following:
- 'There are many decent bands (with very good musicians) doing original music and trying to break into the music industry. For me, these are the bands to watch and they certainly need our support!'
Additionally, there is a strong need to be aware of a question and why words have been placed in question form and not in the form of a statement.I also believe, professorship is a position of the utmost importance and not one which is easily earned nor easily given, so displaying a need to gain attention by evaluating a person's character in a human psychological way from a small handful of words surely provokes amazement and a profound concern.
How we are in a state of bewilderment to cast the first stone and inadvertently keep casting stones without truly acknowledging the identity of our behaviour and what is clearly assessed by others.
You are what you are and your words create the image.

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
Ian: Take it on the chin. There are those on here who will always try to ridicule or belittle. One in particular who currently goes under the guise of a female, haunts the boards and is easy to pick out. I have him well sussed and always have had; and he's easy to trap.

Chin up and keep posting.

King Crimson for me, in London, in 13 days time...


Posted by: admin (526) Report abuse
Went to see another TRIBUTE band on Thursday at Southport. The ELO EXPERIENCE, this was the third time Ive seen them, absolutely superb. Close you eyes and you wouldn't know the difference from the real thing I see Jeff Lynne is touring again with ELO but there are only two original members left Jeff Lynne and Richard Tandy so how they can call themselves ELO is a con. It's like Ringo Starr performing and calling himself the BEATLES

Posted by: mindar (1275) Report abuse
"One in particular who currently goes under the guise of a female, haunts the boards and is easy to pick out. I have him well sussed and always have had; and he's easy to trap"

Jarvo Still thinking I'm joseph I see. You're not so clever as you like to think you are.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Wow! I was not expecting such words from you. It is only right, that I say, thanks!

'Chin up and keep posting.'

Unfortunately, I really feel there is no need and very little interest in posting.

If time and the right attitude is at hand with a consideration of the time 06:08 and 11:01, I will take some of the words of certain people and express my feelings most succinctly and type sagaciously to enlighten the raffishness which is shown by others.

I really hope you enjoy the King Crimson concert and most of the early members are on stage, including Robert Fripp.

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
Two, actually. And it's at the splendid London Palladium.

Thanks, Ian.

Posted by: chatty (6581)  Report abuse
Here's why Jeff Lynne can call his group what he likes.
Writers and producers of ELO songs

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
Not the same without Bev Bevan.

Posted by: r.fisher (589)  Report abuse
At last some good posts ,to the spoilers,i heard a man say to someone else,I dont care what you think about me,I never think about you,

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
'Here's why Jeff Lynne can call his group what he likes.'

I totally agree with 'chatty'.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
'MOTHERSHIP is a Led Zeppelin covers band - actually more homage than tribute - that exists to celebrate the music of the best rock band the world has ever seen.'

'When tackling a project as audacious, slippery and fraught with diagnostic peril as “the 10 best rock bands ever,” one can either cower in anticipation of the monsoon of disagreement sure to come and load the package with every manner of weaselly equivocation, or one can swagger ahead blissfully secure in the universal righteousness of one’s judgment. Being American, I choose the latter.

1. The Beatles

The Beatles are unquestionably the best and most important band in rock history, as well as the most compelling story. Almost miraculously, they embodied the apex of the form artistically, commercially, culturally and spiritually at just the right time, the tumultuous '60s, when music had the power to literally change the world (or at least to give the impression that it could, which may be the same thing). The Beatles are the archetype: there is no term in the language analogous to “Beatlemania.”

Three lads from Liverpool — John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison — came together at a time of great cultural fluidity in 1960 (with bit players Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best), absorbed and recapitulated American rock ‘n’ roll and British pop history unto that point, hardened into a razor sharp unit playing five amphetamine-fueled sets a night in the tough port town of Hamburg, Germany, returned to Liverpool, found their ideal manager in Brian Epstein and ideal producer in George Martin, added the final piece of the puzzle when Ringo Starr replaced Best on drums, and released their first single in the U.K., “Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You,” all by October of 1962.

Their second single, “Please Please Me,” followed by British chart-toppers “From Me to You,” “She Loves You,” “I Want to Hold Your Hand,” “Can’t Buy Me Love” (all Lennon/McCartney originals), and the group’s pleasing image, wit and charm, solidified the Fab Four’s delirious grip on their homeland in 1963.

But it was when the group arrived in the U.S. in February 1964 that the full extent of Beatlemania became manifest. Their pandemonium-inducing five-song performance on the Ed Sullivan Show on February 9 is one of the cornerstone mass media events of the 20th century. I was five at the time — my parents tell me I watched it with them, but I honestly don’t remember. I do remember, though, that the girls next door, four and six years older than I, flipped over that appearance and dragged me into their giddy madness soon thereafter. I loved “I Want to Hold Your Hand,” the Beatles’ first No. 1 in the U.S. (they had 19 more, still the record), more than any other song I have ever heard, or almost assuredly will ever hear, with a consuming intensity that I can only now touch as a memory.

The Beatles generated an intensity of joy that slapped tens of millions of people in the face with the awareness that happiness and exuberance were not only possible, but in their presence, inevitable. They generated an energy that was amplified a million times over and returned to them in a deafening tidal wave of grateful hysteria.

A partial result of that deafening hysteria was that the band became frustrated with their concerts and stopped performing live after a San Francisco show on August 29, 1966. Yet even this frustration bore fruit, as the four musicians, aided almost incalculably by producer Martin, turned their creative energies to the recording studio, producing ever more sophisticated and accomplished albums “Rubber Soul” (1965, “Drive My Car,” “Norwegian Wood,” “You Won’t See Me,” “Nowhere Man,” “Michelle”), “Revolver” (1966, Harrison’s “Taxman,” “Eleanor Rigby,” “Here, There and Everywhere,” “Yellow Submarine,” “Good Day Sunshine,” “And Your Bird Can Sing”), the majestic and epochal “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” (1967, title track, “With a Little Help From My Friends,” “Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds,” “When I’m Sixty-Four,” “A Day In the Life”).

Though centrifugal force began to take its toll, they still managed to produce three more album masterpieces, double-album “The Beatles” (1968, a.k.a. “The White Album,” with “Back In the USSR,” “Dear Prudence,” “Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da,” Harrison’s “While My Guitar Gently Weeps,” “Blackbird,” “Birthday,” “Helter Skelter”), “Let It Be” (recorded in early 1969 but not released until 1970, with the title track, “Two Of Us,” “Across the Universe,” “I’ve Got a Feeling,” “The Long and Winding Road” and “Get Back”), and the fitting climax “Abbey Road” (1969, Harrison’s “Here Comes the Sun” and “Something,” Ringo’s “Octopus’s Garden,” “Come Together,” “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer,” “I Want You,” “She Came In Through the Bathroom Window”).

They made an incredible promise and instead of backing down from that promise they delivered and delivered and delivered for eight years until the full implications of the promise finally hit them: they were staring into the jaws of an insatiable, ravenous beast that was no less beastly because it smiled and waved and gave them money. The Beatles finally suffered a collective inability to pretend that the beast was not a beast, and in 1970 they broke up and returned to being human.

Beatlemania redux

A small but significant slice of the Beatles’ magic came back in 1986 with release of the classic John Hughes teen flick “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off,” wherein Matthew Broderick’s title character lip-syncs the early Beatles classic “Twist and Shout” (ironically, a song they didn’t write) from the top of a float in a downtown Chicago parade.

John Lennon sang “Twist and Shout” as though the words were joyful corrosive poison, that his only hope of survival was to expel them with all the vehemence that his rhythm-besotted body could muster, and so does Ferris in the scene. Paul and George’s responses matched John’s zeal at the end of each stanza with their delirious “Ooohs.” They were enjoying themselves so much that this song seemed the most important thing in their lives at that moment. The Beatles knew the awesome responsibilities of pleasure.

Ferris lips lustily, the frauleins on the float shimmy and shake and bounce off of Ferris like electrons, the thousands in the crowd sing along from the pits of their pelvises. Chicago jams as one, recreating the Beatles’ amazing real-life feat of a unifying mass-madness that changed people’s lives for a time.

When I saw the movie in the theater in ‘86, people actually stood up and danced in the aisles. How could they not? The “Twist and Shout” segment was the most exciting and joyous musical moment in a movie since the Beatles own “A Hard Day’s Night” (1964), and was the perfect climax to Ferris Bueller’s film exploits.

The public was so wistful for Beatlemania that “Twist and Shout” returned to the charts for 15 weeks that year, a brief but sweet reminder of the real thing.'

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
...Taken from the August edition of Mojo magazine.

However, some valid comments.

Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (5815) Report abuse
You NEVER Plagiarize though do you? Hypocrite!

Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (5815) Report abuse
Posted by: jarvo (28617) View jarvo's page10,000+ Report abuse

Glad you enjoyed it, Ron.

Live music always delivers.


Replied: 14th Oct 2018 at 10:34
Last edited by jarvo: 14th Oct 2018 at 22:40:02

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse

Just watched King Crimson in London.


Wonderful stuff.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Plagiarism, me?

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
KC did the Lizard suite and finished with a brilliant version of 'Islands'.

The sound was remarkable.

Mel Collins was outstanding on sax.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Sounds like you had a really good night.
As they say, the old songs are the best (Lizard and Islands). And! They certainly are old songs.
Goodness me, is Mel Collins playing with King Crimson, again?
To the best of my memory, I am sure he only played with the band for a few years back in the first years of the 1970s. Also, I am quite sure he wasn't on the first album and possibly joined the band during the recording of the second album.
But, I am sure he was on the albums: Lizard and Islands, wasn't he?

Posted by: Wigan Rover (732) Report abuse
Jarvo / Ian , I note that King Crimson have a brand new Boxed Vinyl Set " 1969 - 1972 " coming out on December 7th this year. The set will cover their four Studio Albums from this period , but more importantly a two LP Set of Rarities are also included , titled The Alternative Guide to King Crimson . All the Albums are pressed on heavyweight vinyl . As you would imagine , the box set is very expensive , but it looks absolutely stunning in its presentation and packaging

Posted by: jarvo (29092)  Report abuse
Hmmm, I'm a CD man, WR.

Posted by: lectriclegs (3615) Report abuse

Not what you said in the evening post the other week.

Posted by: jo anne (32004)   Report abuse
Wigan Market is hosting a Real Deal Record & CD Fair this Sat 10th Nov 9am till 4pm - FB Link.

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Wigan Rover & jo anne, Thank you for posting the information.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (732) Report abuse
Pleasure Ian . Proud to say, my 50th Anniversary re-mastered 3cd White Album by The Beatles arrived yesterday and it is brilliant

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse
Great taste!
Not only a great album, but an interesting one.
Does your '50th Anniversary re-mastered 3cd White Album' have more tracks than the original 1968 double album?
My favourite tracks are:'Dear Prudence', 'Back in the U.S.S.R.', 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' & 'Don't Pass Me By'.

Posted by: Wigan Rover (732) Report abuse
Ian , I have gone for the deluxe triple cd album ( the middle format ) This contains the 2018 Stereo Remix across two discs , with 27 of the Esher Demo's on the third disc . The Super Deluxe CD Album contains six cd's and an Audio Blue Ray Disc , plus a 164 Page booklet , but that is coming in at £125.00 ! Good choice of songs Ian , I'll add Glass Onion and Savoy Truffle

Posted by: ianp. (530)  Report abuse

Wow! £125.00 is a little steep
I don't blame you for going for the 'middle format'.
I have a vinyl copy.
I think, 'Glass Onion' & 'Savoy Truffle' were written as songs with that touch of sarcasm, with 'Savoy Truffle' being in reference to Eric Clapton and 'Glass Onion' as a slight parody of earlier Lennon works and his bemusement and frustration of what had become.
Enjoy them and forget the analysis!

Posted by: Wigan Rover (732) Report abuse
Ian , I am really looking forward to the 2020 new version of the Let it be movie on it's 50th Anniversary . There are hours of unreleased footage that was never used in the original film . At the very least , the old film can be re edited and re mastered for DVD and Blue-Ray release , but hopefully , it can be completely re done using todays technologies


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