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Bitterness & Recrimination
Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
I have just been looking at these two pit closure lists, which have just been put into the Album under Work/Mining

Mining

Pit Closure List 1

Pit Closure List 2

Pit Closure List 1


Pit Closure List 2


Included in list 2 is the remaining mines which were closed by Margaret Thatcher's Government, during the 1980' and 90's and there were just 6 of them.

The list is about closures in the Lancashire Coal Field and during the 1950's and 60's amd particularly in the 1960's there were umpteen pit closures.

So a question and that is why was there no skrikin about it going on during the 1960's was that because Labour was in power ?

Where were the strikes going on about this during the 1960's ????

There again was it because Labour was in power and the unions didn't want to upset Harold Wilson ?

It stinks,,,, because the mining unions didn't do anything about it when Labour were closing the pits, but instead caused trouble when the Tories were in power and I don't know if you mining folk know this, but we in this country we have a thing called 'DEMOCRACY' we elect a Government to power and they make the decisions, not the unions ....

Margaret Thatcher has been blamed for the demise of the coal mining industry, but it wasn't her fault, it was for economic reasons and more pits were closed under Labour Governments, many more, than were closed under Conservative Administrations ....

You ex miners have made Margaret Thatcher a scapegoat for the demise of the coal industry and it was just not true, she saved this country from economic disaster ...



Jathbee,, why don't you answer the topic, instead of just calling me a stirrer ...

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
Tread carefully, Tom, she's a nasty individual..... When she's behind her keyboard.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Because you are a stirrer, hence this post 😂 What's wrong TTS? Not enough arguing and mud slinging going on for you 😂

I don't know enough about the history of past strikes or governments, except that there was a lot of controversy going on in my house between my dad and his miner brothers, my Uncles, not my dads's union comrades, in the sixties when my dad was still a miner and we had bugger all.
I don't forget the hardship of those times, when miners were very poorly paid and pits were closing down, including Mosley Common, where my dad worked prior to it's closure and he moved to Bold Colliery, which was then closed after the miners strike in the 1980's, where my husband worked at the time and he transferred to Sutton Manor until that closed too.
His principles would not allow him to take redundancy until he had nowhere else to go.

My husband then had a variety of jobs, most of which were closed or went into liquidation because of Thatchers devastation of our industries.
His last job lasted until his retirement, a number of years ago.
We are both now enjoying our well earned retirement.

And if anyone wishes to argue with what I have said, I will not be obliging them. 😂 So go and stir elsewhere. 😂

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Tread carefully TTS. Looks like you have a brown noser on your tail 💩 😂😂😂

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
Just giving him advice on how you can be a nasty, bullying individual..... When you're behind your keyboard

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
😴😴😴💤💤💤

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
jathbee

Thank you for your post

I am just amazed about how many mines there were around here, they were almost on every street corner.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
I know. Almost all men in the area were miners.
In the late fifties and sixties, we lived in a long street and all of them, with the exception of one or two were miners, including my own dad and his brothers.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
My Great Grandad was a miner at Pemberton Collieries

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Long gone now TTS. Like all the mines in the area and outlying towns.

Posted by: spud1 (1720) Report abuse
I started at Nook Pit in 1954,when the Arley mine closed,I was sent to Astley Green,from there I went to Parkside just after the shafts had been sunk,Parkside was mainly manned with men from other pits which had closed,I saw the writing on the wall and left the NCB in 1967,by the way Labour closed more pits than the Tories,but no one bothered because there were other pits to go to.

Posted by: Stardelta (6426) Report abuse
The uk mining industry had been on life support since the end of WW2. All Maggie did was pull the plug.

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
You only have to look at production figures to see why it was a dying industry!

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
what is more important,supporting proud working people and those that depend on them, or profits for the rich, that will never benefit the working people, In her own words thatcher said,

" now let get down to the real enemy of this country, Socialism " she saw all working people as the country's enemy, she has a lot to answer for and she'll be stoking fires in hell,

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Poppycock !!!!

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
The 'proud working people' of this country have been 'supported' more in recent years, as a result of the Thatcher era, than ever before. So much so that they don't even need to work to achieve a far better lifestyle than their forefathers ever had, without the associated work-related illnesses and shortened lifespan!

Nobody I know is short of 'owt and none of them are working dauwn t'pit!

Posted by: Stardelta (6426) Report abuse
The demand for coal fell, no one wanted the stuff in amounts that made it viable to bring to the surface. The government subsidised the industry but there came a point where they had to stop ootherwise it would bankrupt the country.

Maggie did the right thing. If You want something to blame try the technological advances made in clean burning fuels, which in turn were driven by people like you and me.

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
aw reet aw reet aw reet, I'm a dinosaur, but if it was't for the miners bringing up coal to run the steam engines that built britain and won two major wars, where would we be now? people coming out of skool driving cars at 17/18 years old and choking the atmosphere up with 'clean burning fuels' because the previous generations have done all the hard work, This country is now a row of corner shops, none productive,paper shuffling,pen pushing desk jockeys, there will be a pay day for non producers, it cannot go on,

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
unlike thatcher they shut them because of them being uneconomical not because of bitterness & bigotry ? . read her memoirs .and upto 1965 were by a tory government.approx 200,000 miners before the strike - now 0, tell us 1stroke was it bigotry or natural wastage ? .

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
" unlike thatcher they shut them because of them being uneconomical "

You accept the closure of pits showing an output per man, per shift, of 30 to 40 tons of coal, due to them being uneconomical.
But you object to the closure of pits producing 2 or 3 tons of coal per man, per shift?

That doesn't make sense!

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
it makes sense when pits were shut down even when they were making a profit & there was a hell of a lot more pits in the 60s & 70s.

Posted by: roylew (2936) Report abuse
Itís called progress..I didnít like Maggie Thatcher...but it would have happened anyway...she was very bullish in her approach....but the end result would have happened no matter who was in...we all wanted gas central heating didnít we? Itís all history now....I wonder whatís next

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
roylew

I think you have it in a nutshell there and have put it in a very good way, we did all want gas fires, didn't we and diesel and electric hauled trains were far superior to coal fired steam locos and although we swoon over a steam engine now, back in the day those preserved steam loco's of today, which look like new and gleam today, were filthy horrible black things which were being driven into the ground and scrapped.

I remember waiting on Wigan Northwestern Station in the mid 1960's for a train to Warrington and hoping it would be a nice shiny modern diesel, which would be hauling our train and being bitterly disappointed when a steam engine pulled into the station pulling our train, we couldn't get rid of coal fast enough in those days.

So let's go into the 1970's after loads of pits had shut and what did the miners do, they held the country to ransom twice and brought down a democratically elected government and boy were they proud of that, so it's no wonder that the Tories and indeed the 'establishment' the civil servants, who actually run the country, under the political control of the elected government, a priority was to rid the country of the reliance of coal for power generation and in the short term to ensure that there were plentiful supplies of coal on hand, hence stockpiling coal at the power stations and importing coal from abroad.

Posted by: gaffer (6010)   Report abuse
Alf Robens obituary gives an insight into the decline of the coal industry.

Alf Robens

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
1 stroke . why do you have such a downer on miners ? .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whupsy said: "1 stroke . why do you have such a downer on miners ?"

BECAUSE

Where I grew up in Pemberton, it was very near to the Pemberton Collieries site, which is known locally as the old Blundells Collieries site and I always called it the Blundells site, until a few months ago when I met an old miner, who lives in Upholland and he put me reet on this, because he said it wasn't called Blundells Collieries it was Pemberton Collieries and there were three pits on there, but I suppose that is beside the point whupsy.

Me best mates dad was a miner, which I suppose made me best mates mam a miners wife and so in that part of Pemberton most of the older ones had worked down the pits and a lot of me parents generation still worked in the mines and as I have already said, me great grandad was a miner at Pemberton Collieries and apparently me grandad on that side of the family, he did one day down the pit and decided that it was not for him.

So whupsy where I lived then was steeped in mining and mining history and where I lived as very young, young un, in Bamfurlong, that was an old pit village, having been surrounded by mines, so whupsy it may pain you to read this, but I have got coal dust running through me veins.

And this might interest you to know whupsy, that being that Margaret Thatcher put me out of a job in 1981

So to get to the nitty gritty, when I lost me job in 1981 I didn't get any redundancy money and what annoys me and other people, is that when the pits closed in the 1980's miners got loads of redundancy money from Margaret Thatcher and they had been so well paid since the strikes in the 1970's that they had bought their own houses and they used their redundancy pay in the 1980's to pay their mortgages off and set businesses up etc, they did alright out of it and good luck to um for doing that, but the miners won't stop skrikin about it, skrikin about what for gods sake, skrikin about pits closing, well a lot of other nationalised loss making concerns, closed in the 1980's and the workers in those industries did not get anywhere near the generous payouts the miners received and you don't hear ex workers from those industries skrikin about it.

So whupsy, stop skrikin about it .....

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
Miners got next to nothing, when compared with other nationalised utility industries like water, gas and electric!
And the average mineworker's wage was crap when they had a job!!
It's all a rumour !

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Poppycock !!!!

Yoo are on about the privatisation of the Utilities, nowt to do with the loss making nationalised industries, which Maggie inherited and wage wise, miners were on a good screw after those strikes in the 1970's

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
Let me put you right! ......

Not everybody who worked at a pit was a cutter driver!
Not everybody who worked at a pit was on the same wage!
Not everybody who worked at a pit was on the same bonus!
Not everybody who worked at a pit went 'down' the pit!

If you didn't go 'down' the pit, your wage was terrible.
If you went 'down' pit but weren't on a face-team your wage was a bit better, but still not good.
If you were on a face-team, on a good face, your face bonus would boost your wage and it would be reasonable.

The wage without the bonus was dismal!

I did 12 years at Parkside. As soon as I discovered that I could make the same amount as my full week's wage in half a day, I stopped going!

P.S. - My last (full-week's) wage from Parkside, in July 1986, was £84.47 (net)
My dad's last (seven x 16 hour shifts) from Parkside, in July 1985, was over £800. (I still have that wage-slip!)

There's the difference!

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Yes, Tonker but yoo weren't a pitmon, yoo was a sparky

Posted by: spud1 (1720) Report abuse
Tonkers right,my wage in 1967 was £2.35 a shift in today's money,I almost doubled this when I left,and although it was a 7.25 hours shift,lots were there for up to nine hours,the only place were you were late for work,if you were 10 mins early.

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
I think the top hourly rate in 1986 was £6.odd !

Multiply that by 7 and a 1/4 hours and there you have the top wage for pit work in the mid-80's. It's under £250 a week.
Some face-men would get £100 a week bonus.

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
i,m not interested in wether or not your steeped in mining . i want to know why your on a downer on miners as you,ve been on several blogs with insinuations & on our own blog of golborne colliery trying to enflame us with thatchers pics & your undying love for her ? .

Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
Read Denis Skinners book Sailing close to the wind.

You will be left in no doubt re Thatcher and her hatred of the miners.

Denis devotes a whole chapter to her which passed the lawyers so you can bet its right.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
TTS is nothing but a STIRRER. He couldn't care less about Thatcher or the miners.

Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
Its a terrific read jathbee.

Met him by accident in the H O C years ago.

Gave us an impromptu tour of the building .

Terrific.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
I have always liked Dennis Skinner. I will make a point of reading it, thanks.

Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
Your welcome jathbee.

Hope you enjoy.he was a miner and union stalwart which i am sure you will resonate with .

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
anyone with any savy can see thatcher hated all working people, she spits venom as she speaks about working class people going on foreign holidays and buying new cars, and it was proved beyond all doubt that even tommy two stirrers cannot deny because figures and fact were released only a short while ago that plans were already made to shut the pits when she was saying there was not, Arthur Scargil was telling the truth all the way along,

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
For that tomplum yoo can have a Poppycock with bells on it !!!!

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
mine closures denied by thatcher now proved she lied poppycock with bells whistles and marked classified to yoooo toooo

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
TTS didn't doo too much research to find those statistics, did yoo TTS 😂 Yoo little stirrer yoo.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Well yes jathbee, but if the basic pay for a pitmon was so low, but they could make money with the bonus schemes and I seem to remember back then that the government was trying to increase productivity, by bringing in 'incentive' schemes, linked to pay, so WHY was that then jathbee ????

I have given a lot of thought to what whupsy said about me as he puts it "having a downer on miners" well why has he got a downer on Margaret Thatcher, after she saved the world from destruction, she put that Supermon, in the shade, Clark Kent, Maggie showed him how to be a superhero and she didn't need to chew on a lump of kryptonite to do it either

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
TTS is nothing but a STIRRER

Coming from one of the nastiest bad uns on here

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
TTS. Yoo don't know your super heroes very well. If your favourite hero, maggie thatcher, had chewed on a lump of kryptonite she would have done this country a big favour. She would have been off this planet much sooner. ✳️

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Why so shocked. Did yoo not know what kryptonite did to a certain superhero. 🤔

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
Why don't you take some, do us, and the site, a huge favour

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
look at our thread on places & go about half way down & see 4 yourselves if he has a downer on miners & it,s not the 1st time either.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Poppycock!!!

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
take a look guys

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
Some more pictures in album

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
take a look at our golborne colliery thread in places.

Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
Mining and deep sea trawling are considered the most dangerous jobs .

The miners went down to the bowels of the earth to dig COAL and fuel the industrial revolution .

The fishermen braved freezing conditions and high seas on the edge of the artic circle to put fish on plates .

Salt of the earth .

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
And some with jobs on easy street moan and complain when miners finally get a decent wage, Sad men to a man, those who moan. The enemy of their own class.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Coppypock!!!!

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
this guy supports thatcher , maybe it,s in his interest as he,s not made a tax return since 1982 ? .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whupsy

Tell yon mon answer his phone and there is nowt wrong with my tax returns ....

On about "downers"

Yoo whupsy have got a 'downer' on me, yoo are always having a moan about me

Posted by: spud1 (1720) Report abuse
I remember two explosions while I was still working for the NCB,the first at Chanters,this was caused by an electrical fault too,very close to where I was at Nook Pit in 1957,and Hapton Valley when I was at Parkside in 1962,and then the one at Golborne.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
My brother was working at Goldborne at the time of the explosion, fortunately for him he was on a different shift. But the disaster had an awful impact on the workforce at the time.

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1415) Report abuse
Me to Jathbee went down on the Tuesday with some other blokes doing safety checks on the electrical equipment not a nice job probably knew your brother

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
You probably did. I won't put his name on here though. It must have been awful for everyone involved.

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
u bet 1 stroke anyone who has a downer on miners isnt worth the salt they are made of .i worked with at least 7 of those that got killed at golborne .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whups

So just because of the Golborne Mine Disaster, that means that everything the miners did was right and everything that everyone else did was wrong.

YES, coal mining was a hazardous profession and fatalities occurred.

YES, there are many other occupations in this world and in this country, which are hazardous and fatalities occur.

I think that by you whups, trying to use the death of those miners, to justify the political aims of the miners union, is showing great disrespect to those miners who were killed.

YES, there was a plan to close all the mines, because they were uneconomic and it was cheaper to import coal from Australia, instead of mining it in this country and it looks well doesn't it, when it was then and no doubt still is today, it is cheaper to import coal from the other side of the world, cos Australia is on the other side of the planet.
So Tonker can go on about his crap basic pay and I will go on about massive bonus schemes, because every miner I knew during those times in the 1980's and I knew quite a lot of them and I drank with quite a few of them and I knew and know the miner mentality and they were on a bloody good screw and they were still moaning about this and that.

whupsy

You won't read what I have just written will you, because you are so narrow minded and blinkered, you will just carry on blaming Margaret Thatcher for every woe and problem in your world and indeed I bet you think that every woe and problem in the world, was caused by the Tories and Margaret Thatcher.

Did yoo know whupsy, that this mon, your mate Harold, he was a Soviet Spy

Harold Wilson


whupsy

I bet you hate Winston Churchill too, because he was a Tory and he was a Tory who took on the militant dockers in London.




Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
It appears to me that the only one who is suffering from "Bitterness and Recrimanation" is you TTS and others like you.
The miners fought long and hard for a decent living wage. No one gave them anything. The 'bonus scheme" you refer to, was just that, a bonus scheme and they had to work damn hard to achieve a decent bonus.
You seem to forget, or choose to forget that the miners scraped in the dirt for a pittance for many years, barely achieving a sustanance wage, let alone a living wage.

But you being a man of Maggie's ideals choose to look on any battle for change as a challenge to the Status Quo. You like the rest of the working class are at the bottom of the heap and as soon as you become of no use any longer and your job defunct, if you try to put up a fight then you become "The Enemy Within". And when you join the growing ranks of the unemployed you then slip further into that heap by becoming one of the lazy, scrounging, faceless unemployed. Of which a few members here are quick to point out. And for some strange reason these elite few seem to think that redundancy will never affect them. Well dream on in your cocoons of self righteousness and pray that, that cocoon will not be torn apart before the winds of change.

And big changes are coming in the form of Brexit, so take heed before casting any more aspersions on your fellow workers.

By the way TTS. Have you forgotten the Oober threat already 😂

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
jathbee

Same old, Same old, Same old

I know that life in the mines was hard, but I am on about in the 1980's when whupsy was whupping everyone at darts and because he worked down pit, he could afford to have gold plated darts made, along with Phoenix Feathered Flights, he doesn't think about that now does he ....

You see what you are doing is condensing 200 years of coal mining history into a single set of events, because you can't be talking about mining in the 1980's and then slip into George Orwell's 'The Toad to Wigan Pier' stuff, to get the sympathy vote.

I mean the mining community is do dogmatic about it, you act like you were the poor oppressed workers, which you were at one time, but by the 1970's and 80's the tables had turned and by then it was the miners who were oppressing the people ....

Uber don't doo coal mining

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Mind you if Uber did doo coal mining, they could probably do it a lot cheaper than the NUM boys could

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
your creditability keeps going down as a result of slagging miners . just look at the above.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Wots Uber got doo with credibility?

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Blind yourself if you wish TTS. But your are still part of the great unwashed and the Tories will never see you in any other light. I'll leave you to it now
Tommy Trouble Stirrer. Your initials are very apt 😂

Posted by: baker boy (14070) Report abuse
the coal industry was a a very long time dying ,we should pay tribute to the hard working pit lads .
i have to ask the question, why are we importing millions of tons of wood pellets, just as dirty as coal.
why when we can opencast quite a number of old pits are we leaving black gold in the ground,our black gold.
please dont reply with coal is a dirty word,we need to survive with any or all our materials at our disposal.
ask the chinese do they think leaving coal in the ground is a good idea.

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
"So Tonker can go on about his crap basic pay and I will go on about massive bonus schemes, because every miner I knew during those times in the 1980's and I knew quite a lot of them and I drank with quite a few of them and I knew and know the miner mentality and they were on a bloody good screw ...."


TTS - let me put you right again ......

There was approximately 5% of the employees of Parkside Colliery who were on a good 'bonus'.
Those people, on a good bonus, were face-men.
Everybody else was on different bonus levels. Surface workers were on the lowest and it went up to 50% to 100% for underground workers, depending on their job. Facemen got their face bonus. If their face was stopped due to problems, they'd drop to 100% too.

If you only regard those who actually produced the coal (face-men) as 'miners', then yes, miners were well paid. But that was only a small percentage of the employees of a colliery, and a colliery couldn't operate without all sections of employees.
It follows that all employees of a coal mine were miners.
And some miners were very poorly paid!

You only have to compare people to work it out. Most miners lived on council estates, didn't have a car because they couldn't afford one, led pretty basic lives. Tanker drivers, lorry drivers, builders, BT engineers, Pilkingtons, all the St.Helens glassworks employees, Water Board, British Gas, Norweb ... the list is endless, were better paid.

Now, Tomplum's dad, Owd Lol, was one of the better paid, although he wasn't a face worker. He was a shaftsman, like my dad was. They got better money then anybody because they never went home (and when they eventually did go home, they still got paid) (but don't say owt about that!)

Anyroadup, I wouldn't've liked my three lads to have ended up working in t'pit, and I don't think any parent would, so let's be thankful they're shut and everybody's short o'nowt !


Posted by: baker boy (14070) Report abuse
short o nowt, your obviously not a socialist,only folk in britain who dont use food banks are the ruddy rich according to diane abbott and her ilk.

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
i can tell you that the bonus scheme at golborne was so unfair it stank. i worked near the face & when friday came around we could look forward to a tenner bonus for the week . the typists at anderton house were on £25 quid a week ,£15 quid a week more that me who worked near the face . the face men made their own bonus & some who made upto £75 quid a day . we had to endure being on the "pit bonus" why the typists were on the area bonus which was always more that double our bonus. dont tell me that we were on a "bloody good screw" .i wasnt taking a £100 quid a week home.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
We know the truth of it whups, it's the idiots who chose to believe that every miner was earning a fortune who berated and are still berating the miners because they believed all the spiel.
It's all history now and the only ones who keep on reaping up the past are not miners. They are still suffering from an unhealthy dose of the green eyed monster, which is, to say the least, misplaced.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Balderdash !!!!!

So you are telling me that in the period of the last 10 years of mining, lets say from 1976 to 1986 you are saying that miners earned bugger all ....

I know what I saw and lets go back to 1980 I was working in a shop and doing 67 hours a week plus travelling, so add another 3 hours a day at least for that and I was earning £55 a week and from that I took home £40

A mate worked for the telephone people, GPO in those days and his job involved a lot of buggering about and overtime, but on a reasonable week he earned about £100 a week and took home about £70

Another mate who was a qualified lecky, worked in a nationalised industry and I won't say where, but a cloo is that everyday he went loco is accapulcorwich and he earned £120 a week and he took home about £86 a week and that was a good job and in those days and income tax was 33p in the pound, plus all the other thieving crap which was taken out of your wage packet and those two mates did about half the hours I did, so don't talk to me about being on crap money ....

Now I KNOW that at the time the miners in Pemberton were on more than £120 a week a lot more than that and Tonker says that they lived on council estates and didn't have a car, that might have been true some years before that, but by the 1970's that had all changed, miners were buying their own houses and by then pits were not on every corner, with every street having a knocker upper, NO and how the hell did you expect them to get to Bickershaw, Parsonage, Golborne, Parkside etc how did Tonker get to his pit, so of course they had cars and most of them were Cortinas ....

I will repeat that you are taking bits of history and slotting them into this topic has and when it suits you and I am on about miners wages during the 1980's not the 1920's

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
So am I and it's you who are talking crap. My husband started in the pit in 1976, after being made redundant after the company he worked for from leaving school, went into liquidation, the begining of the end for many small firms.He worked as a shafts man for a number of years and had to work all hours to make a decent wage, in a very dangerous job, might I add. And we were not well off by any stretch of the imagination. But we weren't in poverty either by the way I worked too.

He eventually did his face training and it was only towards the end just before the pits closed down did he earn decent money. So don't tell me how it was in the pits because you have no real first hand experience. Doo yoo 😂 Iwas living that life. In the end because of a decent Union my husband retired with a decent pension which has given us a comfortable life. And may I add he deserves every penny of it because he was a hard worker and a staunch Union man, who spent the entire strike on the picket line and never moaned about having no money either and niether did I. So suck it up and shut up.



Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
T T S.

You are taking a real pounding from Jathbee .

If this was a boxing match the ref would have stopped it before now .

Terrific Jathbeee.

Posted by: PeterP (6662) Report abuse
TTS most pit men were bused into the colliery ( by smiths coaches then in our case LUT buses)When Golborne Colliery was shutting those on a bus were the 1st to be finished due to the bus contract not being renewed .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
B@stards

That National Coal Board, didn't take any prisoners did it...

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
It wasn't the NCB, it was McGregor and Thatcher who planned the destruction and desimation of the the British Coal Industry and the NUM. Not the NCB.

Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
Your losing it T T S.

Best continue polishing your Thatcher statue and your ego.

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
take it from me 1 stroke that i,m telling the truth & ask any golborne pitman who was,nt on the face that,s exactly right as i can verify as i was that soldier.i,m surprised that peterp has,nt mentioned anything as he was at golborne & knows what went on with the bonus scheme there ? . and tonker is quite right with the wages as i was on a similar amout working near the face & why should anyone believe you 1 stroke as you never even saw a pit in your life ? .

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
"It wasn't the NCB, it was McGregor and Thatcher who planned the destruction and desimation of the the British Coal Industry and the NUM. Not the NCB."

McGregor, Thatcher and the NUM 'WERE' the NCB !

TommyTwoStrokes - speaking as an outsider, what do you think of the human race?

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
another thing tonker the only reason he,s put this on is out of bigotry for miners as he,s done this before . just look what he put on our blog on places (golborne miners). this pit closure page is on another blog as iv,e seen it.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whupsy said:

"as you never even saw a pit in your life ?"

Yes I did I drove past loads of um and in Parsonage or Bickershaw, whichever it was on Plank Lane, you used to drive through it, cos it was on both sides of road ....

whupsy: said

"and tonker is quite right with the wages as i was on a similar amount working near the face"

I bet you were on a damn site more than £55 a week ....

whupsy said:

"the only reason he,s put this on is out of bigotry for miners"

If that's troo, then it IS a case of the Kettle calling the Pot black

There is nobody more bigoted than you whupsy, you are bigoted against Margaret Thatcher, against the Tory Party and me, yoo are bigoted against me and I have done nothing wrong

Posted by: spud1 (1720) Report abuse
The first coalface I went on was the Arley at Nook Pit,it was 105f all the time,and very little ventilation,the face was manual,6 yards for each collier,bottom loading belts,and props & bars,they only wore shorts and clogs,they took 6 pints of water each,and it was refilled from a water tank at snap,after finishing they had a long walk back,a lot of it uphill,no manriders.

Posted by: gaffer (6010)   Report abuse
When Ian Mcgregor was appointed as boss of the NCB in 1983 there were 175 working pits, that's 18% of the number at nationalisation in 1947. So 82% of the decimation of NCB owned pits had already taken place before his appointment.
The number of miners at the time of his appointment was 190,000 against a peak in 1920 of one and a quarter million.

Posted by: retep1949 (409) Report abuse
TTS.Everyone is entitled their opinion but I think this is checkmate.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Checkmate eh!

Why is that then, because this topic prooves that miners were on crap wages in the 1980's and on up until the mines finally closed ....

They didn't have houses of their own, all lived in council houses and did not own cars ...

Come off it ...

Present some evidence of this poverty?

Just because there are a few ex miners on this topic who are ganging up on me, does not prove you are right, it just proves that more than one person is talking crap

Posted by: retep1949 (409) Report abuse
TTP. Game set and match,you have lost this one!

Posted by: grimshaw (1227)  Report abuse
You remind me of something the great ali said t t s.

He said of one opponent that he was so easy to hit he got mad when ali missed him.

I repeat ,read Denis Skinners account of Thatcher.

A first hand account by the way, not the Daily Mail type of propaganda you love to quote.

Posted by: PeterP (6662) Report abuse
Even now after over 40 years there is still bitterness over the pit closures and the bonus scheme Mcgregor/
Thatcher knew what they were doing when they imposed the bonus scheme onto the miners. Before this if I remember there were about seven grades of pay for underground workers and five for surface workers. After the bonus scheme was introduced not only was it coal field against coal field but miners against miners down the same mineEvery different coal face was on their own bonus. Myself I worked on a coal face(C9)which was flooded and was on 50P yes 50p a shift bonus The other two coal faces were on £'s per shift and some of their haulage teams/belt men were on more than us(every one sorted out their bonus tied to were ever they worked)When I became an Official again we were on a fixed bonus which was if I remember about £10 a week compared with some men who by this time were on £100 a week at least. When the illegal strike was called it was all ready dog v dog and human nature took over and some men were not prepared to loss thousands of pounds the rest is history

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
PeterP

Thank you for some facts

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
which goes to prove that i,m right. i worked on the same district as peterp on c9 & it flooded often . 200 gallons a minute came in on that face . £55 quid 1 stroke when was that 1975 ? .and peter if my memory serves me wasnt them in the plodder on £75 quid a shift ? .

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
It is history Peterp and some posters will not leave it there and it isn't miners in this case is it? No of course not, it's TTS stirring the pot again 😂
Anyway for my part, that part of history was a learning curve and one that I shall never forget BUT not with bitterness or recrimination. We took a stand and for that I have not one single regret whatsoever and neither has my husband. Yes he lost thousands of pounds, it took us time to recover but recover we did.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whupsy said:
"£55 quid 1 stroke when was that 1975 ?"

No, it was in 1979-81 and you have to remember that inflation was running at a very high rate in the 1970's and £55 in 1975 would have been worth a lot more than it was in 1980 and I was struggling on the £55 job I had, because I was expected to have a car and go to different branches and none of them in Wigan, North and East Manchester mainly and even in Blackpool, they had a branch on the promenade a pokey little hole, next door to Lewis's and when I said "I have been working in Blackpool today" they said "very nice" aye very nice too, this was in the middle of January and the lad who ran that shop was ill and so was his assistant, so I went over as relief and it had no heating in it and there was a bloody big storm going on that day and the sea was blowing over and trying to get into the shop, I ended up mopping all day and it was dead, there was no trade and I am not surprised the two staff there were ill.
And did I get any traveling expenses, no did I bloody hell and in that job neither did you get a dinnertime, you had to grab a bite and eat it in the shop.

At the original interview for the job, they said "you would be much more useful to us if you had a car" because I hadn't got one when I first got the job, aye useful too ....

So on top of that me £55 had to pay for the upkeep of three suits, because I had to wear a suit in the shop and they needed dry cleaning and on top of that work wise, personnel wise, I had a nice looking girlfriend and it is alright having a nice looking girlfriend, but it is like having a nice car, they are expensive to run and every bugger is trying to nick it off you, I should have got an ugly one and what I lost in looks, would have been made up for in gratitude, you live and learn don't ....

So WHY am I telling you all this, BECAUSE when I managed to drag meself in the pub on a Saturday night, knackered from working long hours, who would be swanning about at the bar, but your 1980's pit men and they were dressed in nice clothes, proper pants, leather shoo's out on a blinder, start of in Pemberton and the down to Wigan and Chaplins and then after 12 pints a curry in the Delhi, I couldn't afford a bag of chips and I couldn't afford to buy a pair of sandals, never mind real shoes, no it was imitation plastic crap one's I had to buy ...

So don't tell me how bad miners had it in the 1980's

Apart from when they closed the pits, but that is not what I am on about ...

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
all your ddoing is proving my case .putting this blog on is to call miners & absolutely nothing to do with pit closures . i would have thought you,d do the hounorable thing & throw the towel in after getting a battering from jathbee, but you wont as all you want to do is have a pop at the miners .you,ve absolutely no concept of the mining industry & it,s workers even when the proff is there for you to see.why have you a downer on miners & nobody else.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whupsy

So why have I got a downer on the miners...

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
TTS, did you want to be a pitmon and they wouldn't take you on?

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Well no basil, I never wanted to be a pitmon, but I did want to be a pirate and I don't know where this downer thing comes from, because I haven't got a downing bone in my body, I couldn't doo a downer if I tried...

Posted by: basil brush (10323) Report abuse
Well why do you keep having a go at them?

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
I don't keep having a go at them, they keep havin a go at me...

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
that,s a complete lie as all the people reading this blog need to do is take a look at the golborne colliery thread on places to see what you put on. it,s never ending the sly comments & pics you put on . this has been going on for some time now. why do you have a downer on miners as it,s plainly obvious that you have . is it because your a maggie thatcher fan .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
If I try and read that Golborne topic I will end up, skenn eyed and with a headache, cos its that long...

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1415) Report abuse
I think one strokes post about his past work history explains a lot of things he obviously had crapjobs where he was abused by his employers and so is jealous of people who were members of strong trade unions who fought for better terms and conditions all down to jealousy

Liked your last post Jathbee

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
colin have you seen the pic he,s posted on our golborne thread . i,d like jathbee & grimshaw to take a look at it then come back on here with their reply on it .

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Thanks Handsomeminer. I just spoke the truth.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
jathbee

How many people have been 'trying' to goad me on this topic, not arguing with facts, but just being nasty to me ...

Handsomemniner

So lets see what you have said, so we will come to the jealousy bit last.

"he obviously had crapjobs where he was abused by his employers"

Yes most definitely, I was mistreated and abused and DeEp Purple wrote a song about it

Mistreated

"jealous of people who were members of strong trade unions who fought for better terms and conditions"

Err I don't think so, strong trade unions who were to powerful and they held the country to ransom and many a time in the White Lion I heard miners bragging about how they were going to bring down the Tories again, this was only shortly after Maggie had been swept to power ...

So Why was Maggie swept to power ????

Because after what the miners did in 1974 bringing down a democratically elected government, then every other bugger jumped on the union bandwagon and in 1976 the country was skint and that led to the then Chancellor of the Exchequer Dennis Healey going cap in hand to the IMF for a loan to bail the country out and that led eventually to the 'Winter of Discontent' are you old enough to remember the 'Winter of Discontent' Handsomeminer, because I doo ....

The 'Winter of Discontent' and that was the worse winter I can remember, jeeze it was a cold one and everyone was on strike, the rubbish wasn't being collected and the dead were walking the streets, because no one would bury them and that is what gave rise to all these Zombie films ....



At the time in the midst of the cold war, Soviet Insurgency by way of covertly supporting the large unions in this country was suspected, so the NUM was being looked on by the government has an 'Enemy of the State'


So jealousy was it Handsomeminer,,, NAH try CONTEMPT

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Yoo started this thread with the sole aim to provoke miners. Yoo deserve whatever yoo get. Don't skrike that you are being picked on, soft lad, when yoo knew full well the reaction yoo would get. Maybe if yoo had some proper work too doo yoo would have less time too make mischief. 😛

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
you even hav,nt got the guts to stand up & say that you put that pic on the golborne thread. your a coward & jathbee is right that all you want to do is to provoke miners & this isnt the 1st time either .you,ll do anything & say anything before you admit to it & try to sidetrack the issue . COWARD

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
whups

And yoo have got a bad memory, YOU got that picture taken off the Golborne thread you soft melt

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
TwoStrokes, instead of having a job in a shop, getting paid £55 a week, you could have got a job for the Coal Board and been paid more than that. Even the lowest paid employee at a pit was paid more than £55 a week at that time.

But you didn't!

I had a job at Parkside Colliery and got paid more than you.
But not as much as someone who was a policeman.
I could have got a job as a policeman.

But I didn't!


I don't call policemen for getting paid more than me!

A friend got a job on a drilling rig. He got paid twenty times what I got paid.
I could have got a job on a drilling rig.

But I didn't!

I don't call people on drilling rigs for being paid twenty times more than I was.

You had the same chance as anybody else to earn more money.

But you didn't!

You make your bed and you lay in it!

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
But when the miners made their bed in 1974 we all had to lie in that bed, even if we didn't want too ...

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
How do you make that out?

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
owd on tonker, you could't get a job as a policeman because when you needed assistance, no one would know where you are

tango oscar, I need urgent assistance, over
HQ, where are you tango oscar, over
tango oscar, I just past a sign saying Wigan, but I'm not in Wigan, over,
HQ, well wtf are you tango oscar,over

tango oscar, hang on sarge, there's a sign here, it says Wallgate station over,

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
Clearly, if I was at Wallgate station I would be in Wigan and would say so.
Why should I say I was in Wigan if I was outside a station that said Pemberton on it? Or Ince? Or Bryn? Or Hag Fold (in Leigh) (in Wigan 'borough')?

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
I looked at the Golbourne thread, whups and unless TTS has had a lot of posts removed or he has deleted them, he made a couple of posts in 2016 on a thread started in 2014 and then again in 2017 and no photos at all.

His long pauses in posting, speaks volumes. He is just stirring the pot. 😂

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
jathbee

I did put a photo on, the same photo which is at the top of this topic.

This one


He had it removed by the management.

The management


Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
and so it should be tommy two bags of coal, that photo strikes fear into any working mans home, we put that picture on our mantlepeice to keep the children away from the fire, its hideous

Posted by: broady (13790)   Report abuse
A good job she was reviled. She won three general elections of which two she won with over 100 seat majorities. What if she had been popular?? The election after the strike was a 102 seat majority so maybe, just maybe some of the public approved of her style of governance. Food for thought eh?
.

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1415) Report abuse
I feel sorry for him Brian , he comes across as a sad bitter jealous individual who,s spent a lifetime in crappy low paid jobs it's his own fault he,s daft enough to idolise thatcher

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
" .... how the hell did you expect them to get to Bickershaw, Parsonage, Golborne, Parkside etc how did Tonker get to his pit, so of course they had cars and most of them were Cortinas ...."

Most went on the bus transport provided. Me? I went in a Porsche!


Hello John, Gotta New Mo-tor?

Yeah, it's a Cortina!

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
ood job she was reviled. She won three general elections of which two she won with over 100 seat majorities. What if she had been popular?? The election after the strike was a 102 seat majority so maybe, just maybe some of the public approved of her style of governance. Food for thought eh?

she was so good that you decided to go to another country and brave polar bears,cold,horrible bacon and driving on the wrong side, actions speak louder than words,

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
your right colin & the reason he supports thatcher is because she never chased him up to pay his taxes .

Posted by: broady (13790)   Report abuse
Scottish bacon, miles away from polar bears, 27c today, driving on the same side as most of the world, I came here in 2006 and took advantage of a good pension scheme and worked as and when, and if I had a job where a typist got more bonus than me when I was grafting underground I would have told them to shove their job where the monkey's shove their nuts.

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
Any road up Tommy Trouble Stirrer. I do hope you are well prepared for your retirement because your beloved Tory party will make you graft until you drop, or until you are so decrepit from old age you won't be able to enjoy your last few years And then you can hear them blame the pensioners for the countries woes because we are living too long 😂
Well why not, they have already blamed the unemployed, the disabled, single mums, immagrants, they have now turned their attention to another vulnerable section of society. Anything to turn the attention away from their intention to drive down the living standards of the poorest sections of society, who are already crippled by the cost of living spiralling out of control.

There is one thing I do agree with though, your beloved maggie certainly changed the country and all in favour of the wealthy.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Poppydash !!!!

66 jathbee, that the age I will be when I retire and I won't get a bus pass till then either, fireplace and whupsy got their bus pass at 60

On about which whupsy, you sound like fireplace now, have you give him your identity on here

Tinker: said

"£55 a week, you could have got a job for the Coal Board and been paid more than that"

"But you didn't!"


That was because I couldn't this was in 1979 late 1979 and I was 19 years old and by then unemployment was skyrocketing and there no jobs, two years previous I could have walked into many more jobs, but not when I entered the workforce, by that time Wigan job centre was empty and I got that job which I have described from Bolton job centre and there was bugger all in that one, but it wa better than Wigan and I was one of many who applied for that job, so just think on Tonker ....

Handsomepitmon said:

"he comes across as a sad bitter jealous individual who,s spent a lifetime in crappy low paid jobs"

No not quite, 18 months actually, then something else happened and I left that horrible job

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
I don't know how old you are now nor do I wish to. But at 66 years old some people have serious health issues. You may be in decent enough health now but I have my doubts considering your work life is pretty much sedentary.

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
PAY YOUR TAXES.

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
I retired at 48 and came out of retirement at 53. I've just turned 60 and am keepin' gooin' wit' yed daaaain!
I''m not looking to retire again in the foreseeable future and I don't know if I'm due any pension, even though I've paid my own tax and every bugger else's in the past!

(first post was from a mobile phone. Mistakes corrected on proper tackle!)

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1415) Report abuse
Great post 1 stroke I can see why your a tory

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
tommy 2 stroke, you might think the torys made this country better, Well you're in for a proper 2 stroke when yooo retire, the torys changed the pension rules in 2016, thats when they took your inpending bus pass, they also made your pension not as good as the earlier generations, each persom will be differant but i lost £30 off mine because i had a private pension, its only £10 but that £10 cost me £30 off my state pension, and I'm not the only loser, many more have a gripe and it can't be heard for the laughing of the torys,

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
i bet he jumps up & down 4 joy when he gets his utility bills .plus tonker this guy has,nt paid any tax since 1982 ? .

Posted by: broady (13790)   Report abuse
Tomplum,
Why do you think the Tories keep getting elected as the Government? According to the polls they still lead despite all the problems in the NHS, the fiasco sorting out Brexit and various other things the electorate are up in arms about. Do you think the opposition would do any better and if so in what way. The NHS is in disarray but just seems to go worse.

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
and just to correct you soft lad it,s still there .i got no pic took of our thread everyone take a look .

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
broady they are cheating, you did't see the riots in London because the press were not allowed to publish it, but through the mobile phones and social media, hole shite broke out in London, they did not expect to ever lose the vote on getting out of euro because they could not fiddle that, the people are disgruddled and it shows, the torys did not get an outright win. not this time nor the last time abnd we do not have a labour party, this labour party is a blue right leaning party with no teeth and no leader, thats why the keep nearly winning

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1415) Report abuse
Broadly the simple answer to that is halfwits like 1stroke and the army of 10bob millionaires who think the tories have their best interests at heart

Posted by: broady (13790)   Report abuse
Time will tell. Maybe they don't fancy the opposition. Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. Positively fricknin.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
I can honestly say Hand on Heart that I have

Never been on a 'Go Slow'

Nor a 'Work to Roole'

And never on a 'Picket Duty'

And definitely, absolutely not on a 'Secondary Picket

I have never spoke to a 'Shop Steward'

Or been referred to 'ACAS'

I've never 'Downed Tools'

Or

Claimed 'Victimisation'

I've never had a 'Demarcation Dispute'

Cos I will 'Doo anyones Job'

I never had a 'Show of Hands'

Or

A 'Secret Ballot'

And I have never, never been on 'Strike'



Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
and I have, downed tools,been on work to rule,picketed,been on strike, showed hands and used my right as a union member to get what i saw as rightfully mine,
a decent wage, ( to keep house,feed family and live)
good working conditions, safe ,clean and dignified
holidays, we're all entitled to holiday,

they only give you what you fight for,

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
An acquaintance of mine, lives in Aspull, is a plumber. He's just bought himself a brand new Lamborghini, list price £214,000 !

You never see a poor plumber!

(I'm in t'wrung job, me!)

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
you've met a poor plumber, ME, I've not geet a flash car or a big house nor do i go on big holidays, I earned enough to pay my way and I'm happy with that,

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
maybe it's because your riding round all day trying to get fares . as a taxi driver who pays no tax your never on a go-slow r u ? .

Posted by: baker boy (14070) Report abuse
if he turns up at ours in his lambo he wont be let in. ,

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
Not even with a tie on?

Posted by: upthetims (6505) Report abuse



TTS,how many times have you scabbed on fellow workers.Typical obsequious servile working class tory,devoid of principals of any kind.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
Row, row, row your boat ♫
♫ Gently down the stweem ♫
♫ Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily ♫
♫ Life is but a dweem





Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
what a numpty.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posted by: tonker (19574)   Report abuse
Roy Darbyshire!

Posted by: 1934granadascruggs (1258)  Report abuse
Remember Featherstone Rovers, UTT? You and I were there
We went there to watch a rugby match at the height of the strike.
I organised a coach there. On our trip we had a few miners who were on strike at the time.
We could not have wished for a better welcome in the Working Mens Club on Post Office Road. They were in the same boat. Featherstone is / was a strong small mining town, but boy, they stuck together. Great camaraderie

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
1934granadascruggs

Your mate upthetims is an ignorant Orangutan ....





Posted by: 1934granadascruggs (1258)  Report abuse
I Don't think so, Tommy Two Stroke. In fact, I know so

He'll help anybody out. I've known him a long time.

I'm assuming you don't know him? Going off your last post?

Posted by: broady (13790)   Report abuse
Heís one of those grammar school snobs. 🤓🤓😂😂😂 Always correcting peopleís spelling mistakes. 👍👍👍👍

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
1934granadascruggs

upthetims:said

"TTS,how many times have you scabbed on fellow workers.Typical obsequious servile working class tory,devoid of principals of any kind

I know he wrote that about me and he doesn't even know me ....

So there

Posted by: tomplum (4821)  Report abuse
some people are very astute, they make a profile of your character using previous postings, Its not rocket science, I myself formed an opinion of you which was a low opinion, our mutual friend fireplace put me right, you make people think you are someone you are not, FP explained you are a very intelligent, caring,unselfish,hardworking taxi driver with a passion for winding people up, I understood most of that except the ' hard working taxi driver' there's no such animal as a hard working taxi driver, so most of it is true,

Posted by: jathbee (9131) Report abuse
An extremely sedentary job, so he has lots of time to dream up, wind ups. 😂😂😂

Posted by: baker boy (14070) Report abuse
dont know who i dislike more scots, folk with a chip on their sh0ulder the size of a giant redwood regarding english people or someone who thinks that because you work for a living you should always be a labourite and to be of a different political opinion is incomprehensible and disgusting.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
tomplum

Thang yoo for your nice comments about me and I am sure you are a very nice chap, but, but I would like to hold you in very high esteem as the wise old sage of the forum, but there's a 'but' or to be more accurate a 'butt' how can anyone on here take you seriously, when you are posting video's of yourself walking around in't nack ...

Topic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-lwEwPWxwg

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Posted by: bentlegs (4251) Report abuse
Tommy Tit, I bet you polish your turd in the image of Maggie every night before going to bed,

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2842) Report abuse
How very rood

Posted by: Stardelta (6426) Report abuse
Everyone knows you canít polish turds, you can however roll them in glitter

Posted by: whups (3061)  Report abuse
and the extortinate fee he charge in his taxi on which he pays no tax on it.

 
 
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