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The Bell End
Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
Well Bell End of Kitt Green .......................

What is the problem with building houses on 'The Bell' because I think 'The Bell' part of Kitt Green is boring and the only people who go there are folk taking their dog for a walk or folk who just want to go for a walk in a field and farmers farm those fields, but it really is a bit out of the way and it would make an ideal place to have a housing development

And it would be better if there was an access road on to the proposed new housing estate on 'The Bell', from opposite the motorway junction on Orrell Road

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse
Stirring as usual TTS. 😱😂😂

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
No I am just trying to get a debate going about it

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse
I will have a ride out tomorrow and see what's going on.
There has been signs up on Lathom lane protesting to "Save Our Bell"
Sounds like they have been deaf to the Bell. Time will tell.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
Quasimodo had the same problem and he was deaf to The Bells



But he got the hump over it

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse
So you spotted my pun 😂

Posted by: detritus21 (375) Report abuse
Theres plenty of other brownfield sites that should be built on before you take away greenbelt regardless of where it is. You will also find its not only houses they want to build its an industrial estate. Why do we need another industrial estate when many of the warehouse units in the area are empty. Basically they want a large distribution type warehouse that will blight the landscape. How many major companies are there that require a major logistics hub that aren't already catered for. Supposedly it will create 2500 jobs these will be on the whole low paid zero hours contracts. To promote these kind of developments is a pretty poor judgement of the intelligence levels of the Wigan populance. Yes Wigan is historically an industrial town but the skills were significantly more complex in mining and mill work. How long is it going to take to learn how to order pick and pack lorries and how long before it is all mechanised. By the way I live by the bell and I'd have little objection to a road. Id have less of an objection if it was housing but any housing isn't going to fulfill the shortage of affordable housing as its a "nice" area so houses will be at a premium price like the "affordable" houses in Standish.

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
No I am just trying to get a debate going about it

Well why don't you go down bell lane and voice you opinion to the people that it'll affect

Posted by: bridger (inactive) Report abuse
Talking of the bell end, and he shall appear.

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Doesn't take em long, does it, I'm surprised boredy as not tagged along

I actually thought the heading was about one of the "nasty uns" on here

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
I can't imagine TTS doing that, though

Posted by: broady (13225)   Report abuse
The word is HAS .

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Were are the rest of the sheep?

Posted by: broady (13225)   Report abuse
The word is WHERE.

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Only need the other 3 then we'll have a full house

Posted by: lectriclegs (3113) Report abuse

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Make that 2

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse
😂😂😂

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Tts would much rather talk about it on here than Go and discuss it with the residents

Posted by: bridger (inactive) Report abuse
For someone with not a lot to say, he didn't half waste a lot of bandwidth to say it, doesn't he readers?

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
basil

I talk to residents all the time as part of my job and I enjoy it and they are residents from all over the Wigan area.

In any given week basil/jarvo how many residents do you talk to ...

When I am talking to residents I use my skills of tact and diplomacy and I show empathy, sympathy and understanding

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
HAHAHA

nice to see judge Tom/Terry latching on

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Have you actually said to the residents of bell lane "What is the problem with building houses on bell lane"?

Posted by: detritus21 (375) Report abuse
Tommy I see you have ignored my reply ...........

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
detritus21

Well what do you want me to say

Posted by: Stardelta (6208) Report abuse
Plenty of brownfield sites???

Where?

Redundant schools and old pubs and garages etc crop up all the time but I can't think of anything the size of The Bell that is readily available and has easy access to the m-way

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
The Bell will be a handy place to live, if yoo work at Heinz, it is only across the road

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
Unless that is that they close Heinz

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
And transfer production to Poland 🇵🇱

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
That would be awful

Posted by: ena1958 (6314) Report abuse
SD just because it's available doesn't mean it should be used, it's greenbelt after all. There are plenty of brown filed sites available which will be opened up when the M58 link road is completed.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
If the M58 link road is completed and If the A49 link is ever built and I have a feeling that those two roads have missed the boat again

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Still don't know why they haven't built on the old ab guest school

Posted by: MarieM (4943) Report abuse
That land where Ab Guest was is up for sale again.

Posted by: ena1958 (6314) Report abuse
The M58 link road is definitely going ahead with a completion date of 2019 I think.

Posted by: nyce horse (3352) Report abuse
Wigan Brownfield Land Register ∑ Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council. The council published its brownfield land register on 19 December 2017. It identifies 130 brownfield sites with the potential to accommodate over 9,500 net additional homes across the...

Posted by: detritus21 (375) Report abuse
Star delta why do we need to open up sites for logistics which is what this will be used for as will junction 25. Logistics are generally low paid and zero hours. We have one of the most congested sections of the m6 and is a poor impression by those that put the sites forward to gmsf of the type of people we have in wigan and for the future generations. Logistics as they stand have a short future based on current agenda to cut emissions and people are trying to ride the wave before it implodes. There should be a focus on utilising current brownfield sites and empty units and promote high quality skilled jobs. Also look at filling the empty houses and other infill development that isn't on Greenbelt bug also not brownfield which there is plenty of. The other question is why we have to be ruled by Wigan council who then have another level iof local government overiding that. If the bell is such a good site why has it been discounted as a building option on again least 4 separate occasions. In the 20's opencasti operations were refused in the 60's it was refused in the 80's and then just 2 years ago the same again.

Posted by: nyce horse (3352) Report abuse
Junction 27 at Standish is being looked at as being "dangerous" due to traffic backing up onto the inside lane of the M.6.

Possible cure...............build even more houses in Standish and Shevvy.
You couldn't make it up.

WIGAN CLOWNCIL
COMICAL PLACE COMICAL PEOPLE
BENT AS NINE BOB NOTES
SEND IN OUR COPPERS

Posted by: ena1958 (6314) Report abuse
It's the Government that dictate where houses have to be built in the end.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
detritus21:

"why do we need to open up sites for logistics"

Because we need more businesses, paying business rates, because by 2020 all government funding to councils will end and the councils will have to raise money through taxes locally, but they will be allowed to keep business rates paid in their areas, because at present business rates are paid to central government, so more businesses = more business rates for council, so more money for the council to spend and of course more jobs and more wealth being generated in the borough.

"There should be a focus on utilising current brownfield sites"

Industrial units need to be built in sites with good access on to the motorways ...

"empty units"

There again the units need to be in places with good access to the motorways, if they are in a stupid area like Scholes or Platt Wazz, no business will want to locate there.

"The other question is why we have to be ruled by Wigan council who then have another level iof local government overiding that"

Can you explain what you mean by that, because it sounds daft.

" If the bell is such a good site why has it been discounted as a building option on again least 4 separate occasions. In the 20's opencasti operations were refused in the 60's it was refused in the 80's and then just 2 years ago the same again"

Because it's 'greenbelt' land




Posted by: detritus21 (375) Report abuse
Tommy sounds like a party political broadcast by the peopleís republic of wigan. When I asked at the roadshow events why they wanted to use the sites they have Joseph in particular the housing sites and why not use alternatives sites the exact answer was itís not going to attract developers so we will chose the more desirable locations.

Posted by: mindar (514) Report abuse
Did anyone object to the use of greenfield when they built the house in 70s 80s on Bell Lane? Are these people now saying "not in our back yard"

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
detritus21:

"Tommy sounds like a party political broadcast by the peopleís republic of wigan"

No it's just the truth, the world as changed and that includes how councils are funded, but you are ignoring that fact ...

Posted by: detritus21 (375) Report abuse
This isnít a wigan council initiative though itís a greater manchester initiative. The same gm that we will have to pay an additional levy on our council tax to fund. Councils are being funded differently which I am well aware of but they should look at ways to successfully utilise what they have already before trying to reinvent the wheel. My biggest concern with large logistic sites other than the low quality work force is the sustainability. If youíve been to Kirkby there are empty logistics units strategically placed next to the a580 and m57, the same in ken next to the m58. The buttonwood sure at Warrington near Gemini still isnít at capacity m. Then there is Haydock pint and Florida farm both with planning permission which have yet to get a potential client. Asda moves out of wigan and was right by the m6/a49. Junction 25 has the same proposals as that for junction 26. There are further proposals for junction 28.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
The extra housing plan was drawn up by the government, but under the devaluation package, Greater Manchester as been given more autonomous powers, that is where the Greater Manchester spatial plan comes into it and the idea of that is too integrate the infrastructure of Greater Manchester as a whole, rather than just each council doing it on it's own.

Personally speaking I think the housing demand will decrease dramatically, as the brexit process kicks in and kills of demand for housing, which as been created by the uncontrolled immigration over the last few years.

Posted by: detritus21 (375) Report abuse
Now you are talking more sense. I think all plans for future growth should wait till we know what the outcome and potential fall out of brexit is. Decisions are being made on current market conditions where in reality we are looking into the unknown

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
Well I did say a while back that I didn't think that The Bell would be built on, because as it is realised that brexit and the impending brexit, is reducing immigration into this country, which as already happened, then the green belt sites, will be the first proposed building sites which will dropped from the proposed building site list ...

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Well,tts, did you discuss it with the residents of bell lane??????

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (2394) Report abuse
No

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Didn't think so.

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse
😂😂😂

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Here comes backtrack/hypocrite jathbee, late ent you

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse
😂😂😂

Posted by: basil brush (9752) Report abuse
Spineless,

Posted by: jathbee (8964) Report abuse

 
 
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