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The New Chippery on Market Street ablaze!
Started by: wigvet (3245) Report abuse
smoke billowing out the roof and front at 11.30am - I watched in awe as three fire engines tried to get up Market Street only to be met by an upright 'rising' bollard which no one could lower - all had to do a three point turn and do a detour through the town centre finally arriving ten minutes later - hope no one is trapped in the building

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
Bloody Hell !!!

That part of Wigan is going to be Chippyless cos the one at the bottom of Market Street is still closed, whilst being dun up ...

Posted by: admin (213) Report abuse
Mal I was just about to post the same thing. Whoever is in charge of the Barriers should be SACKED. Surely there should be a contingency plan to lower the barriers in an Emergency.. What if there had been someone trapped in the building? What if an ambulance needed to get through in a Life or Death situation? I saw two fire engines stuck at the bottom of Market Street, One fire engine went around to come up Standishgate and again the Barrier was down. Must have been 20 mins. before the fire engine eventually got through and a man told me when I first saw the smoke, that it had been on fire for at least 10 minutes.

Posted by: Anne (3107)  Report abuse
Many years ago before the present island layout was installed, the junction lights by the fire station onto the main A49 were able to be controlled from within the station itself. Maybe still are. This gave the fire service quick exit from the station.
Could something of this nature not be installed in emergency vehicles i.e.an electronic control as in domestic rising bollards?
Maybe vandalism is the deterrent.

Posted by: basil brush (8791) Report abuse
TTS, TSK, TSK.

Let's hope nobody's got hurt.

Posted by: turbo (2076) Report abuse
Barriers stopping all access by the emergency services, DISGRACEFUL, very fortunately this is not a terrorist attack with seriously injured and dying people all over the pavements.
Lessons have to be learned over this Wigan Council...GET IT SORTED YOU IDIOTS

Posted by: wigvet (3245) Report abuse
cost implications for the council as well Ron - the loss adjusters for the insurance company will attempt to prove that the consequential loss would have been lessened had the emergency services been able to access the scene in a prompt manner

Posted by: admin (213) Report abuse
I shall be contacting the council on Monday asking for an explanation. Is it the Highways Department who deal with this sort of thing? Lets hope that 'Wigan Today' latch onto the story and things are rectified in the future. Also not one policeman in sight It was up to the female staff of the Chippy to keep people away from the shop in case of an explosion.. and I'm talking about 20 mins after the fire started

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
Anne

The traffic lights on the Saddle Junction in the old layout (pre 1984) where there was a separate lane just for fire engines to use, which was at the side of Millers Motorcycles and the further junction layout created in 1984 and the Saddle Gyratory created circa 2000 and right up to today's new joint fire and ambulance station, just being completed now the traffic lights have always been able to be overridden by the fire service and still are to this day, the traffic lights are switched so they are all showing red and there is also an escape road built into the gyratory, so that fire engines and now ambulances turning right at the Saddle Junction, do not have to go around the gyratory, they can cut across and be on their way

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
Central Watch (manned 24 hours a day) where all CCTV is monitored are supposed to be able to drop those bollards at the press of a button and a phone call is all that is supposed to be required "central watch 01942 404040"

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
The thing is though that although there is a rise and fall bollard at the top of Hallgate, if a fire engine drove up to the bollard in Hallgate, the chippy is only around corner and the firemen would easily be able to get their equipment, the hoses etc on to the fire from there.

Posted by: Anne (3107)  Report abuse
TT..... I'm meaning before thethe date you mentioned and before the slip lane. I'm not sure if ALL the towns traffic lights could be controlled before that time but I'm certain the junction lights were.
I had this info from my brother who was a fireman at that time.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
Anne

The old fire station was built 1964 ish I would presume that the traffic light switching system would have been to fitted to the station back then.

Posted by: admin (213) Report abuse
TTS what if the fire, are whatever else, had happened in the Market Place? With cars parked at the top half of Hallgate the Fire Engine wouldn't get through anyway. All in all it is a shambles and needs to be rectified a.s.a.p before there is a fatality. Thank god there were no injuries, hopefully this has highlighted the current situation and will be sorted. I don't know if the bollards are activated by an manual or electronic device, but you would think that every Ambulance and Fire Engine would have one, and if in fact the bollards are activated by a central CCTV monitoring system. What were they doing for 20 minutes????? Questions need to be asked and answered. I think in the end one fire engine came either from Millgate or Library street as when I went to the bottom of Standishgate the bollards were still down.

Posted by: nyce horse (3186) Report abuse
TSK, TSK, TSK, where's the support group, not on call this weekend?

WIGAN CLOWNCIL
COMICAL PLACE COMICAL PEOPLE
BENT AS NINE BOB NOTES
THICK AS PIG SH*T

Posted by: Stardelta (5862) Report abuse
I always thought all emergency service vehicles in Greater Manchester carried transponders that triggered these bollards into lowering, and also keys that can be used to unlock and manually lower them if the transponders fail.

I wouldn't be blaming anyone just yet, least not until the full story emerges.

But hey.........that's just me

Posted by: laughing gravy (2526) Report abuse
I would'nt be blaming anyone just yet


never truer words spoken stardelta especially when it involves child molesting SCUM!!

Posted by: Stardelta (5862) Report abuse
You are a sad man LG, a very sad man

Posted by: tonker (18999)   Report abuse
As sad as a sad-faced dog!

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
It needs sorting out, because this happens every so often and it is normally the ambulances who can't get through and on about transponders on vehicles I observed a council wagon drive up to the bollard on Standishgate and wait and after about two minutes it dropped and the wagon went through, now I don't know if that was a slow transponder system or they contacted central watch, who then dropped the bollock ...

Posted by: Stardelta (5862) Report abuse
Bollards!

Posted by: detritus21 (359) Report abuse
I saw it the fire engines couldn't get up market street despite trying to get the barrier lowered. In the 5 minutes or so lost the amount of smoke increased dramatically. Three firefighters had to walk up market street with ba on with a fire extinguisher and enter the building without a hose reel to assess the situation while the first engine turned around and came along hall gate. The bollard couldn't be dropped there so hoses had to be run losing valuable time. Eventually one engine managed to park outside by coming up Standishgate. It's a disgrace that the bollards weren't dropped quickly and efficiently. There is a serious failing from whoever is responsible for dropping of the bollards. The fire could quite easily of escalated into something major in the time lost given the fact it is basically a big chip pan fire.

Posted by: basil brush (8791) Report abuse
Someone has a lot of questions to answer.

Posted by: baker boy (13741) Report abuse
simple answer open the town centre up to traffic as i days of old,pedestrianisation is dead and buried.

Posted by: nyce horse (3186) Report abuse
" Don't blame the council"
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAOOOAGAFAHAHAH

WIGAN CLOWNCIL
COMICAL PLACE COMICAL PEOPLE
BENT AS NINE BOB NOTES
THICK AS PIG SH*T

Posted by: PeterP (6112) Report abuse
Wigan is infamous for its road signage but why can the town centre not have no entry signs with timing on Do away with the bollards and let central watch monitor the street for any cars/vehicles

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2923)  Report abuse
N/C

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2923)  Report abuse
I apologise to you TTS

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (1757) Report abuse
GOLDEN BEAR

All due respect to yoo mate, but yoo need to see a psychiatrist ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyFfmGf3b2Y

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (2923)  Report abuse
O.K GOODBYE!

Posted by: turbo (2076) Report abuse

Probe

 
 
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